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PeterAit

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Leica Q3
« on: May 25, 2023, 10:03:07 am »

I was looking at this new full-frame camera and it interests me in many ways except one -- why on earth would they limit it to a fixed 28mm lens? That takes it off the table for me. Why not, say, a 28-105 zoom?

Grumble.
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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2023, 02:32:31 pm »

and read what Diglloyd has to say about that lens....
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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2023, 05:59:27 pm »

and read what Diglloyd has to say about that lens....

… yawn 🥱
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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2023, 06:05:02 pm »

why on earth would they limit it to a fixed 28mm lens …

Leica history and reviews will tell all (well almost).
Two written Leica Q3 reviews:
 
Jono Slack
https://www.slack.co.uk/leica-q3.html
 
reid reviews (subscription)
https://www.reidreviews.com/article-content.asp?ArticleID=595&PageNum=1&retina=1&newwin=1

Three videos to note among (too) many …

Mathphotographer
https://youtu.be/3GBWoFeLApQ

Bobby Tonelli
https://youtu.be/mmAX5od2Dks

Art of Photography
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvC7TABnFG8

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2023, 01:51:27 pm »

… yawn 🥱
Yawn all you want but the truth is the lens is not sharp in the corners. Not great for such a short lens. Anyway an interchange Q3 would have been too much production and profit for Leica not to mention killed the M system which is doomed anyway for some of us.

Ask yourself if you have to produce high quality images using a 28mm lens for submission to get a project what lens would you use? If you're just taking snapshots for the web like 90% of Q buyers who cares.

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2023, 07:30:19 pm »

PeterAit, I think Leica would argue that this kit covers what you are asking for.  I believe this camera is 60+ megapixels and shoots in various crop modes covering the lens range you want.  Shooting the lens in its various crop modes still leaves you with more enough megapixels.  At least, I believe, this is Leica's argument.

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2023, 03:39:23 am »

PeterAit, I think Leica would argue that this kit covers what you are asking for.  I believe this camera is 60+ megapixels and shoots in various crop modes covering the lens range you want.  Shooting the lens in its various crop modes still leaves you with more enough megapixels.  At least, I believe, this is Leica's argument.

mark

It seems to me that Leica wants to establish a niche with the Q series.   The crop modes are interesting in that they are in camera.  Of course you can do it with another 60MP camera, but in post processing.  In the UK, the Leica Q3 is £5300.  The Sony A7RV is £3999.  Add a lens such as a 24mm, eg the 1.4GM at £1,199 or the 2.8G at £629 and the price is in the same ball park.  OK you can add longer lenses to the Sony, but the size and weight of the Sony 24mm package are bigger and heavier than the Q3.

I think it is nice that we, as customers, have choice.

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2023, 08:33:38 am »

Yawn,

I guess that Lloyd got a bad lens, as I have no issues with the Q2 and corner sharpness.  Excellent optic for a 28mm lens.  Sure wide open you can see a bit of corner sharpness, but by F 4 even 3.2 corners are fine, at least from the images I have taken with the  camera.

Can't speak to how same lens will work on the Q3 with the increased resolution.  However I can state I found that the Sony 61MP sensor was not as great a step up in overall DR as I had hoped, having used it extensively in the Sigma FP-L.

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2023, 06:09:58 pm »

I find the Q3 tempting but will most probably end up using that money for some equipment actually useful to move my photography forward. :-)

Typically a GFX100 mkII comes to mind.

Among impusle purchases I would probably be more tempted by a H2D-100 if it had eye AF… an eye AF that works.

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Bernard
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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2024, 01:25:24 pm »

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2024, 06:21:50 pm »

The Q3 is certainly quirky and I think it could fairly be called a niche product—both characterizations presumably also fit the new Q3 43, which is identical except for having a 43mm f/2.0 lens—and its price seems outrageously steep for a fixed-lens camera, at least beyond the shores of Leicaland.  But it works for me as a general "walk-around camera" because it's reasonably compact and tolerably light and it looks like a consumer point-and-shoot.  It's actually not much smaller than my Fujifilm X-T5 with a compact zoom attached, but it doesn't seem to attract as much attention: it doesn't announce "I'm an old guy walking around making photographs with my complicated camera."  It's not quite like shooting with a cellphone (something I also often do), but it's reasonably close.

I'm satisfied with the 28mm f/1.7 lens.  I haven't performed any objective tests, but even wide open the corners are fine to my eye, and I'm pleased with the colors and contrast of the way the raw files appear before any editing in Lightroom.  From what I've read, the 60-megapixel sensor isn't superior to the other high-resolution sensors that are available on some other current full-frame cameras.  It's a bit noisy at higher ISOs, but Lightroom's new Denoise feature is effective at cleaning up those images without introducing objectionable softness along contrast boundaries; DxO Pure Raw 4 also does a good job.  The mechanical leaf shutter is all but noiseless.  I haven't tested, but I suspect the electronic shutter exhibits considerable rolling shutter effect during panning because of the resolution of the sensor—although I don't think this is a camera anyone would be tempted to use for fast action.

For someone who is accustomed to using a zoom lens—I don't like to carry multiple primes when walking around—the wide angle always displayed by the (excellent) viewfinder was a bit jarring at first, but I expected that going in and I've more-or-less adapted my shooting style when I'm using the Q3.  Besides, as the Leica marketing literature says, with 60Mpx to play with, cropping is quite feasible.  And, as it turns out, in addition to a 27-82mm full-frame-equivalent zoom, the lens I use most often on my Fujis is a 15-36mm equivalent.  Having said that, I'd prefer if the Q3 had a 35mm lens instead of the 28mm one.

But from my perspective (pun intended), what really stands out in the Leica Q series is the firmware.  Modern digital cameras are essentially computers with optical peripheral devices and their designers often seem all too eager to demonstrate how many capabilities they can pack into their firmware.  In the software industry, we used to call this "creeping featurism."  The Q3 provides the most pleasant shooting experience I've yet encountered in a modern mirrorless camera.  After using the menus to set up appropriate "profiles"—Leica's term for specific clusters of settings that the user creates for particular purposes or types of subjects—typically the only shooting adjustments that need to be made after selecting the appropriate cluster are available from the manual controls for focus, aperture, and optionally exposure compensation and shutter speed.  The Q menus essentially become configuration tools rather than shooting controls, and the few menu selections that you're most likely to modify are available on a single page that is always available at the push of a dedicated button.

The availability of manual controls that corresponded to those on film cameras is what initially attracted me to the crop sensor Fujis, but the Fuji user agent never achieves the minimalism and clarity of its Leica counterpart.  As I recently said elsewhere, as I have gotten older and more irritable, a congenial shooting experience has become increasingly important to me.
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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2024, 10:41:38 am »

I've been awaiting a longer focal length lens version of the Q series for years and at last it has arrived in the form of the Q3 43.

On 26th September 2024, at precisely 2PM GMT (official release date and time) I added it to my basket, took a huge gulp and paid. WTF. Having never previously owned or even used a Q camera it was an act of considerable faith. I had previously owned the M9, a couple of M 240 bodies and a series of Leica M lenses. Loved them, but serious eyesight issues meant I could no longer reliably focus with the rangefinders. I subsequently switched to Nikon Z with Nikon Z and Voigtlander Z lenses. Happy days. 

I already owned two 40mm lenses, the Z 40mm f/2 and the Voigtlander f/1.2 Nokton Aspherical in Z mount and the focal length had become a favourite, so I had no concerns there about the 43mm focal length.

First impressions - and unfortunately due to ill health they have been more limited than I would have liked - with the camera have been very positive. Phew. The build is unsurprisingly first class. Once learned the operating system and menus are simplicity personified - take note other manufacturers.

The 43mm APO lens acutance is outstanding, simply the sharpest lens I've ever owned including the Z 50 S and 85 S f/1.8 S lenses both of which are widely highly regarded. The leaf shutter is so discrete. In a perfect world I would have preferred the lens to be a little more compact but that would no doubt have led to unacceptable compromise.

The camera is intended to be my walk-around camera, covering my travel and street work. The macro facility is proving useful for my horticultural work. In short a relatively discrete, compact and lightweight all-rounder. My Nikon Z cameras will of course still allow me a greater range of focal lengths, most notably ultra wide for those narrow alleyways in Morocco, India and Greece, as well as short telephotos for portraiture and additional reach.

Downsides, inevitably there always a few. The macro facility can't be used in combination with the supplied lens hood when a filter is fitted: duh. Work-around = the optional round hood at £200, this is after all, Leica! The HDMI and USB-C output cover is an accident waiting to happen. The viewfinder is form over function, allowing stray light to enter the viewfinder in bright light: come on Leica, at least allow an alternative or accessory rubber hood to be attached. Please. No charger supplied, but this seems to be the norm now.

I use this setup to test all of my new lenses. Shot as DNG-L, Q3 43, ISO 100, f/2.8, 1/200s. Tweaked a tad in ACR. The snail is sharper than I've seen from any of my other lenses, including Z 50 S f/1.8 & Z 85 S f/1.8.



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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2024, 02:34:17 pm »

Congratulations, Keith; I admire your courage! That said, there are times in life when "suck it and see" is the only way to go.

As a matter of interest, are these shots hand-held?

Though I don't contemplate any Leica in my life, for some reason that's not altogether clear to me, you have just made me think of putting the cellphone to sleep for a while. I think it's conscience-related: I bought a Nikkor 1.8/85 G some time ago and have hardly used it - also for eye-related problems, so now I think it's time to give it a whirl and find out where I was before iPhone entered the picture.

I particularly like the flower shot...

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2024, 03:12:07 pm »

Congratulations, Keith; I admire your courage! That said, there are times in life when "suck it and see" is the only way to go.

As a matter of interest, are these shots hand-held?

Though I don't contemplate any Leica in my life, for some reason that's not altogether clear to me, you have just made me think of putting the cellphone to sleep for a while. I think it's conscience-related: I bought a Nikkor 1.8/85 G some time ago and have hardly used it - also for eye-related problems, so now I think it's time to give it a whirl and find out where I was before iPhone entered the picture.

I particularly like the flower shot...

Hi Rob, thanks. The health issues have really helped to focus my mind, the acceptance that life is not a trial run and we only get one chance at it.

Yes, all images were handheld, including the test shot that was just that, a test.

Here's hoping your recent eye interventions now allow you to get behind a camera again.

Best
Keith

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2024, 09:06:50 pm »

For anyone else tempted by the new Q3 43, Gordon Laing of Cameralabs has posted an exhaustive video review of the camera.  (It's rather long and, frankly, I'm tempted to characterize it as "exhausting," but in fairness it does cover a lot of ground.)  Although the lenses are different, the discussion of the feature set otherwise applies equally to the original 28mm Q3.

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2024, 07:39:11 am »

For anyone else tempted by the new Q3 43, Gordon Laing of Cameralabs has posted an exhaustive video review of the camera.  (It's rather long and, frankly, I'm tempted to characterize it as "exhausting," but in fairness it does cover a lot of ground.)  Although the lenses are different, the discussion of the feature set otherwise applies equally to the original 28mm Q3.


Well, if I were in that market, the Leica would get my money. I would also stock up with electrician's black tape.

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2024, 09:21:32 am »

. . . I would also stock up with electrician's black tape.

Ask, and Amazon shall provide.

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2024, 09:27:44 am »

Jesus, how lazy can anyone get? ;-)

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Re: Leica Q3
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2024, 09:39:40 am »

There's also the official Leica version, hand-crafted in Wetzlar, at $50 / €50 / £40 per dot.
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