Lighroon Cropping Advice . Options?

[Rhossydd]

1. You have the source code from Adobe do you?
2. Speaking only for myself (unlike some) the AI masking is an amazingly useful functionality and far more important than tweaks to cropping I don't need.

What's wrong with you these days ? Never prepared to accept that users can want things the software doesn't do.

It's not one or other. Updates can contain multiple features.

You don't have to have a degree in software development to work out that writing complex AI code for masking must be significantly more complex and difficult than adding a zoomed view of a crop. It's easy to describe and specify and other software does it well, it can't be that hard.

[jrsforums]

What's wrong with you these days ? Never prepared to accept that users can want things the software doesn't do.

It's not one or other. Updates can contain multiple features.

You don't have to have a degree in software development to work out that writing complex AI code for masking must be significantly more complex and difficult than adding a zoomed view of a crop. It's easy to describe and specify and other software does it well, it can't be that hard.

Neither you nor I know how hard it would be.  Conceptually easy ideas are not necessarily easy implementations.  A lot has to do with the inherent design and existing code base.  Add to that, significant regression testing must be done to ensure that even a ‘simple’ change doesn’t cause a problem someplace else…..programming is often like a balloon….push on this side and it bulges over here.  Then you need to add up the resources and costs and evaluate the return….and weigh against other potential projects, such as masking (AI or otherwise), transforms, speed ups, etc.

[digitaldog]

What is "wrong" with me: I don’t take you at all seriously.
You make grand generalizations, and assumptions, and you can't admit your lack of experience developing software.
There are strong opinions about how software should be developed, by people (AFAIK, they can't admit their bkgnds) having no experience developing software.
No, I do not fall into that camp. 

[BobShaw]

Check out https://johnrellis.com/lightroom/anycrop.htm

I haven't tried it but that sounds like exactly what I want.
Did you make this overnight?

I have 600 images to process in a typical product shoot. I allow about 1 minute on each in post.
There are 5 bag sizes and two aspect ratios for different websites.
So while having a folder of 10 past images to copy from may be a solution, having a drop down menu of crop presets is a much better one.

BTW, When i asked for this feature in Raw Power it came back in two days. It is clearly not that difficult if others can do it. It is an array with numbers in it. Aperture had it from certainly all of version 3 back in 2007.

Honestly this used to be a forum where you could ask questions and get answers. Unfortunately of late it is just a place for abuse by narcissists if you don't work exactly in their narrow tunnel.

[digitaldog]

Did you make this overnight?
Honestly this used to be a forum where you could ask questions and get answers.

“If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions.” - Quentin Tarantino, Pulp Fiction

Unfortunately of late it is just a place for abuse by narcissists if you don't work exactly in their narrow tunnel.

"An expert knows all the answers -- if you ask the right questions. "-Source Unknown
And can accept them!

I have 600 images to process in a typical product shoot. I allow about 1 minute on each in post.

All could be cropped in less than 1 minute in LR.

[jrsforums]

I haven't tried it but that sounds like exactly what I want.
Did you make this overnight?

Different ‘John’

I have 600 images to process in a typical product shoot. I allow about 1 minute on each in post.
There are 5 bag sizes and two aspect ratios for different websites.
So while having a folder of 10 past images to copy from may be a solution, having a drop down menu of crop presets is a much better one.

BTW, When i asked for this feature in Raw Power it came back in two days. It is clearly not that difficult if others can do it. It is an array with numbers in it. Aperture had it from certainly all of version 3 back in 2007.

I don’t know ‘Raw Power’ but it sounds small and simple.  ‘Aperture’ died, what can I say.  Lightroom is big, complex, and has a wide, varied, complex base of computer types and configs it runs on.  You have to have been involved in programming, testing, and packaging in that environment to really understand it.

Honestly this used to be a forum where you could ask questions and get answers. Unfortunately of late it is just a place for abuse by narcissists if you don't work exactly in their narrow tunnel.

What the heck!!  Some snarky stuff…for sure…but you have been getting lots of help and ideas….a little sign of gratitude might be in order

[digitaldog]

Different ‘John’
What the heck!!  Some snarky stuff…for sure…but you have been getting lots of help and ideas….a little sign of gratitude might be in order

Meanwhile, the OP who got help is long gone. 
The post hijacking (”LR/Adobe is so bad”) continues sadly. 

[BobShaw]

“If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions.” - Quentin Tarantino, Pulp Fiction "An expert knows all the answers -- if you ask the right questions. "-Source Unknown
And can accept them! All could be cropped in less than 1 minute in LR.

Crop in 1 minute!
If I can't crop in 10 seconds it is too slow.
"Post" is everything. Import, adjust, crop, export.

If you can't add any real life experience best to just stay quiet.

[BobShaw]

Different ‘John’
What the heck!!  Some snarky stuff…for sure…but you have been getting lots of help and ideas….a little sign of gratitude might be in order

Apologies, I thought I was thanking the same John.
Yes, you gave a practical solution that Lightroom is capable of and so thanks.

[digitaldog]

If you can't add any real life experience best to just stay quiet.

It is real world, factual and doable.
If you have only imagined it, you haven't experienced it.
At least two of us have experienced it.
Next snarky comment from the inexperienced LR user?

[digitaldog]

Apologies, I thought I was thanking the same John.

“Untested assumptions and lazy habits of thought can be shown up, once put in a spotlight of a different hue.“ -Julian Baggini

[BobShaw]

I don’t know ‘Raw Power’ but it sounds small and simple.  ‘Aperture’ died, what can I say.  Lightroom is big, complex, and has a wide, varied, complex base of computer types and configs it runs on.  You have to have been involved in programming, testing, and packaging in that environment to really understand it.

Raw power is actually quite good for what it does but it completely shackled by being tied to the Photos app which is woeful, particularly in referenced file management.
I tried to get Raw power to build their own database but that probably won't happen. Personally i think it needs to grow or it else it won't survive.

Aperture has commercially died, but still works even under Monterey.
The only issue for what I want to do is repeated crashes as the Libraries have not been updated.

Lightroom has the advantage of being commercial updated and being cross platform, albeit an ongoing charge. It is a Jack of all trades, unfortunately for me, master of none.

I was in the IT industry for 40 years before it was called IT. I have written my own software, not commercially but PHP/MySQL databases and a programme to custom frame images and display the matted and framed image with a quote. Software development takes time but is really not that difficult, especially if outsourced overnight to India. The problem is testing and in particular User Acceptance Testing. Some geeks seem to think this is unnecessary as they believe they know every Use Case and those they don't know don't matter. Cheers

[Rhossydd]

Neither you nor I know how hard it would be.  Conceptually easy ideas are not necessarily easy implementations. ................. etc.

Obviously not so terribly difficult as it's in the mobile version of LR

[digitaldog]

I tried to get Raw power to build their own database but that probably won't happen. Personally i think it needs to grow or it else it won't survive.
 I have written my own software, not commercially but PHP/MySQL databases and a programme to custom frame images and display the matted and framed image with a quote.

Sums up well your inability to convince at least two software developers to provide what you demand.
Maybe you should write your own raw converter that crops as you desire. Or less work, like John (the correct John), your own plugin. Doable; my partners and I did so!

[Manoli]

Check out https://johnrellis.com/lightroom/anycrop.htm

Thanks for the link!
Judging by the time wasted in this thread , it must be worth a $10 donation to spare the agony <g>

[Manoli]

BTW, When i asked for this feature in Raw Power it came back in two days. It is clearly not that difficult if others can do it.

Nik Bhatt, IIRC, originally developed RAW Power as iOS app. The LR plugin came later and was soon abandoned ‘cos, in his words, “ …it is extremely difficult to keep it running as Apple makes OS changes. […] All of that is required because of Apple’s sandboxing rules.”

[Manoli]

Obviously not so terribly difficult as it's in the mobile version of LR

Nice one!
You’ve just made Andrew’s point.

Mobile version of Lr is, in reality, a subset of LrC. No history , no plugins, no extended functionality. So it’s more than reasonable to assume that if Adobe haven’t implemented it (yet) in the parametric version of LR, given that it’s “not so difficult”  – there’s probably a reason.

ITM, Bob Shaw and the other 108  can still zoom and crop ad lib in Photoshop with the added benefit of an action for 600 shot runs.

[digitaldog]

Nik Bhatt, IIRC, originally developed RAW Power as iOS app. The LR plugin came later and was soon abandoned ‘cos, in his words, “ …it is extremely difficult to keep it running as Apple makes OS changes. […] All of that is required because of Apple’s sandboxing rules.”

The irony is Nik worked for Apple.

[BobShaw]

ITM, Bob Shaw and the other 108  can still zoom and crop ad lib in Photoshop with the added benefit of an action for 600 shot runs.

You could but Photoshop is destructive and also takes about 3 times as long as a catalogue programme working on previews and a database.
For that reason only images that need the background extended sideways or upwards go to Photoshop.
Also if make a mistake you have to reload the image from backup and start again. With a catalogue you just move the crop.

You can't use an action in practice for large scale cropping as each crop, even if the same size, requires a physical intervention for centring as the assistant will place the bag in slightly different spot. Even for the same bag there are different size crops for long shoulder straps and close up detail of stitching and logo.

It really helps to see all of the images for the same bag at the same time like the end user will.

[digitaldog]

You could but Photoshop is destructive and also takes about 3 times as long as a catalogue programme working on previews and a database.

Actually there is non destructive cropping in Photoshop, for like decades.
But yeah, Lightroom Classic is a better place to do so*
Just ask sir!

It really helps to see all of the images for the same bag at the same time like the end user will.

*Worth repeating because you seem to have ignored the facts provided: totally doable in Lightroom Classic!