National Parks affected by the climate changes

[TechTalk]

Now, play nice.
Cheers,
Bud

Always.

Have a nice weekend.

[Alan Klein]

So, to summarize Bud's understanding of climate change: Margaritas, Al Gore, death, helicopters, carbon, ice age. Thanks for sharing your insights with us.

Cheap shot.  He's flagging the hypocrisy of many of those who complain about CO2 while adding 100x as much to the atmosphere as an average person, such as Al Gore. 

[Alan Klein]

It seems that they're blaming Manchin for global warming and the destruction of the earth.  I thought I was hyperbolic.   I better go check my storm shutters.

Manchin’s decision provokes fury over potential for warmer world
Sen. Joe Manchin’s (D-W.Va.) decision to move ahead with a reconciliation deal that doesn’t involve climate change risks consigning the entire world to a warmer future, scientists, Democrats and advocates said Friday in reacting to the news.

“Joe Manchin is waving the fate of human survival over our heads like a bone to hungry dogs and it’s really quite frightening,” John Paul Mejia, a national spokesperson for Sunrise Movement, told The Hill.

Democrats, activists and scientists reacting to the news worried that the inability of Congress to take meaningful reaction would consign the U.S. to more heatwaves, floods, droughts and intense storms.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/3561864-manchins-decision-provokes-fury-over-potential-for-warmer-world/

[TechTalk]

I thought I was hyperbolic.

You were right, but you're so much more.

[Alan Klein]

You were right, but you're so much more.

Thanks for the compliment. 

[TechTalk]

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/16/1111866383/british-government-emergency-meeting-forecast-record-temperatures

The U.K. gets ready for travel disruptions as temperatures may hit 104 F

July 16, 2022 - NPR/The Associated Press - Excerpts Below

The British government held an emergency response meeting Saturday to plan for record high temperatures next week after weather authorities issued their first-ever "red" warning for extreme heat.

The alert covers large parts of England on Monday and Tuesday, when temperatures may reach 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit) for the first time, posing a risk of serious illness and even death among healthy people, the U.K. Met Office, the country's weather service, said Friday.

The British heat record is 38.7C (101.7F), set in 2019...

Rail passengers and users of the London Underground subway system were being advised not to travel on Monday and Tuesday unless it's absolutely necessary. With children and older people considered particularly vulnerable to high temperatures, schools and nursing homes have been urged to take steps to protect students and older residents. Most schools in England are still in session until the end of next week.

The alert comes as scientists say climate change is increasing the likelihood of exceptional heat waves in Britain, a country unaccustomed to such temperatures. Few homes, apartments, schools or small businesses in the country have air conditioning.

Britain usually has moderate summer temperatures. Across the U.K., average July temperatures range from a daily high of 21 C (70 F) to a low of 12 C (53 F).

London Mayor Sadiq Khan met with representatives of the National Health Service, police, fire and other emergency services on Friday to review plans to deal with the heat emergency...

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[Peter McLennan]

Cheap shot.  He's flagging the hypocrisy of many of those who complain about CO2 while adding 100x as much to the atmosphere as an average person, such as Al Gore.

It's not hypocritical.  Much of climate activism requires travel to implement and communicate.

By far the worst thing to do is nothing.

[TechTalk]

It's not hypocritical.  Much of climate activism requires travel to implement and communicate.

By far the worst thing to do is nothing.

It's just another gem from the same tired old red herring yuck fest to distract from the real issue of climate change and its impact. Al Gore has put forth rather substantial effort to reduce his personal carbon footprint and to offset the carbon use of himself, family, and staff. But even if he didn't, the inconvenient truth is... it doesn't matter. It's the total carbon going into the atmosphere that matters, not the footprint of any individual — including Al Gore. The New Republic published a worthwhile article on the topic.

https://newrepublic.com/article/al-gores-carbon-footprint-doesnt-matter

Al Gore’s Carbon Footprint Doesn’t Matter

Conservatives say environmentalists are hypocrites if they consume more energy than the average American. It's a deceitful, disingenuous argument.

The New Republic - Emily Atkin - August 7, 2017 - A few brief excerpts below...

...let’s set aside the dispute over Gore’s carbon footprint, because the report raises a much bigger question: Should prominent climate advocates be expected to live a carbon-neutral lifestyle? Are they hypocrites if they don’t? Right-wing critics would have you believe so—that these moralizing elitists are making rules for the public that they themselves don’t have to follow. This has a powerful appeal, especially today. But ultimately the argument is deceitful faux-populism, and the real hypocrites here are the purveyors of it...

...The claim that Gore and his ilk are hypocrites is a classic conservative attack strategy of redirection (because it ignores the core issue of climate change) and of poisoning the well (because it attempts to discredit the message by discrediting the messenger). This is much easier, and perhaps more rhetorically effective, than debunking climate science itself. That’s why you only see groups like the National Center for Public Policy Research releasing “studies” on Gore’s energy use. NCPPR, which has been funded by oil interests, advocates against policies to fight global warming because it denies that global warming exists. “The world isn’t warming,” the group falsely claimed in a 2014 paper arguing against climate regulations. Thus, it’s in their interest to try to undermine one of the most effective advocates of aggressive climate action.

But the hypocrisy charge simply doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. An anti-abortion advocate who believes abortion is immoral and should be illegal, but gets one herself, is a hypocrite. But climate change advocates who don’t live a carbon-neutral lifestyle aren’t hypocrites because, for the most part, they’re not asking you to live a carbon-neutral lifestyle. They’re asking governments, utilities, energy companies, and large corporations to increase their use of renewable energy so that you can continue to live your life as you please, without contributing to global warming...

[Robert Roaldi]

It's just another gem from the same tired old red herring yuck fest to distract from the real issue of climate change and its impact. Al Gore has put forth rather substantial effort to reduce his personal carbon footprint and to offset the carbon use of himself, family, and staff. But even if he didn't, the inconvenient truth is... it doesn't matter. It's the total carbon going into the atmosphere that matters, not the footprint of any individual — including Al Gore. The New Republic published a worthwhile article on the topic.

https://newrepublic.com/article/al-gores-carbon-footprint-doesnt-matter

Al Gore’s Carbon Footprint Doesn’t Matter

Conservatives say environmentalists are hypocrites if they consume more energy than the average American. It's a deceitful, disingenuous argument.

The New Republic - Emily Atkin - August 7, 2017 - A few brief excerpts below...

...let’s set aside the dispute over Gore’s carbon footprint, because the report raises a much bigger question: Should prominent climate advocates be expected to live a carbon-neutral lifestyle? Are they hypocrites if they don’t? Right-wing critics would have you believe so—that these moralizing elitists are making rules for the public that they themselves don’t have to follow. This has a powerful appeal, especially today. But ultimately the argument is deceitful faux-populism, and the real hypocrites here are the purveyors of it...

...The claim that Gore and his ilk are hypocrites is a classic conservative attack strategy of redirection (because it ignores the core issue of climate change) and of poisoning the well (because it attempts to discredit the message by discrediting the messenger). This is much easier, and perhaps more rhetorically effective, than debunking climate science itself. That’s why you only see groups like the National Center for Public Policy Research releasing “studies” on Gore’s energy use. NCPPR, which has been funded by oil interests, advocates against policies to fight global warming because it denies that global warming exists. “The world isn’t warming,” the group falsely claimed in a 2014 paper arguing against climate regulations. Thus, it’s in their interest to try to undermine one of the most effective advocates of aggressive climate action.

But the hypocrisy charge simply doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. An anti-abortion advocate who believes abortion is immoral and should be illegal, but gets one herself, is a hypocrite. But climate change advocates who don’t live a carbon-neutral lifestyle aren’t hypocrites because, for the most part, they’re not asking you to live a carbon-neutral lifestyle. They’re asking governments, utilities, energy companies, and large corporations to increase their use of renewable energy so that you can continue to live your life as you please, without contributing to global warming...

This crap goes on all the time. Here in Canada David Suzuki was criticized at one point because he lived in a multi-million dollar home in Vancouver. Turns out he bought the place back when he was a prof at UBC in the 1970s when houses were more reasonably priced. The place happened to increase in value in the intervening years.

Think of the personal attacks on Fauci. A similar thing happened to the people who started the anti-cigarette movement. There was a Vimeo documentary film a few years ago (I'll try to look for it) about a medical doctor in West Virginia who began documenting increases in black lung disease (I bet you thought that was gone) when industry there was de-regulated. He was also attacked in various ways, both professionally and personally. That kind of personal attack is probably Step No. 2 in the playbook.

The upside is that when someone makes that sort of argument, then at least you know that there is no point engaging with them. Wastes less time.

[DavidJ]

The possible highest in the UK is now forecast to be 107F on Tuesday the 19th. Quote from the director of the Met office this morning. "These extreme temperatures are only explained as a consequence of global warming". There are fierce fires affecting many countries on the North of the Mediterranean. Portugal, Spain, France, Greece are all affected by the consequences of extreme weather.

The arguments that the rise in temperature can be beneficial don't hold up. As global temperature rises the weather tends more towards periods of destructive extremes as climate systems become unstable.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/16/1111866383/british-government-emergency-meeting-forecast-record-temperatures

The U.K. gets ready for travel disruptions as temperatures may hit 104 F

July 16, 2022 - NPR/The Associated Press - Excerpts Below

The British government held an emergency response meeting Saturday to plan for record high temperatures next week after weather authorities issued their first-ever "red" warning for extreme heat.

The alert covers large parts of England on Monday and Tuesday, when temperatures may reach 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit) for the first time, posing a risk of serious illness and even death among healthy people, the U.K. Met Office, the country's weather service, said Friday.

The British heat record is 38.7C (101.7F), set in 2019...

Rail passengers and users of the London Underground subway system were being advised not to travel on Monday and Tuesday unless it's absolutely necessary. With children and older people considered particularly vulnerable to high temperatures, schools and nursing homes have been urged to take steps to protect students and older residents. Most schools in England are still in session until the end of next week.

The alert comes as scientists say climate change is increasing the likelihood of exceptional heat waves in Britain, a country unaccustomed to such temperatures. Few homes, apartments, schools or small businesses in the country have air conditioning.

Britain usually has moderate summer temperatures. Across the U.K., average July temperatures range from a daily high of 21 C (70 F) to a low of 12 C (53 F).

London Mayor Sadiq Khan met with representatives of the National Health Service, police, fire and other emergency services on Friday to review plans to deal with the heat emergency...

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[Jonathan Cross]

The Cartoon in today's issue of The Times newspaper in the UK.  It refers to the candidates for the post of leader of the Conservative Party and Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.  One of the candidates did say that Climate Change and Carbon Dioxide levels are more than a national issue as air moves and so it is a global issue with action required by all countries.

Jonathan

[Jonathan Cross]

Further to the cartoon I have just posted, here is a NASA graph published by them on July 10th 2020.  The graph is accompanied by this text,

"The above graph compares global surface temperature changes (red line) and the Sun's energy received by the Earth (yellow line) in watts (units of energy) per square meter since 1880. The lighter/thinner lines show the yearly levels, while the heavier/thicker lines show the 11-year average trends. Eleven-year averages are used to reduce the year-to-year natural noise in the data, making the underlying trends more obvious."

Jonathan



 

[TechTalk]

Further to the cartoon I have just posted, here is a NASA graph published by them on July 10th 2020.  The graph is accompanied by this text,

"The above graph compares global surface temperature changes (red line) and the Sun's energy received by the Earth (yellow line) in watts (units of energy) per square meter since 1880. The lighter/thinner lines show the yearly levels, while the heavier/thicker lines show the 11-year average trends. Eleven-year averages are used to reduce the year-to-year natural noise in the data, making the underlying trends more obvious."

Jonathan

Thanks for your input, it's appreciated. It's unfortunate that there is no type or amount of evidence that will matter to those that believe it's all just hysteria, a scientific hoax, or conspiracy with "the" media.

[Alan Klein]

This crap goes on all the time. Here in Canada David Suzuki was criticized at one point because he lived in a multi-million dollar home in Vancouver. Turns out he bought the place back when he was a prof at UBC in the 1970s when houses were more reasonably priced. The place happened to increase in value in the intervening years.

Think of the personal attacks on Fauci. A similar thing happened to the people who started the anti-cigarette movement. There was a Vimeo documentary film a few years ago (I'll try to look for it) about a medical doctor in West Virginia who began documenting increases in black lung disease (I bet you thought that was gone) when industry there was de-regulated. He was also attacked in various ways, both professionally and personally. That kind of personal attack is probably Step No. 2 in the playbook.

The upside is that when someone makes that sort of argument, then at least you know that there is no point engaging with them. Wastes less time.

People don't trust hypocrites and phonies.

[TechTalk]

People shouldn't trust phony charges of hypocrisy or the people that make them.

[Alan Klein]

The possible highest in the UK is now forecast to be 107F on Tuesday the 19th. Quote from the director of the Met office this morning. "These extreme temperatures are only explained as a consequence of global warming". There are fierce fires affecting many countries on the North of the Mediterranean. Portugal, Spain, France, Greece are all affected by the consequences of extreme weather.

The arguments that the rise in temperature can be beneficial don't hold up. As global temperature rises the weather tends more towards periods of destructive extremes as climate systems become unstable.

Hurricans have not increased.  What about winters?  As they get warmer, fewer people die from exposure, and less fuel is needed to heat.  More geographic areas are open to food production for man and other species. Population of all kinds of species expand into them.  The earth is one-third greener in the last hundred years, many claim because of more CO2.  Canadians up north appreciate a little warmer winters.  Why begrudge them?  Think of all the poor sheep that won't have to be sheared to provide wool for winter coats. 

[Alan Klein]

Further to the cartoon I have just posted, here is a NASA graph published by them on July 10th 2020.  The graph is accompanied by this text,

"The above graph compares global surface temperature changes (red line) and the Sun's energy received by the Earth (yellow line) in watts (units of energy) per square meter since 1880. The lighter/thinner lines show the yearly levels, while the heavier/thicker lines show the 11-year average trends. Eleven-year averages are used to reduce the year-to-year natural noise in the data, making the underlying trends more obvious."

Jonathan



 

Climate has been changing for 4 billion years.  What's the point of the article? 

[TechTalk]

What article? There is no article. You're replying to something it appears you haven't looked at again.

[TechTalk]

People don't trust hypocrites and phonies.

Hurricans have not increased.  What about winters?...

Climate has been changing for 4 billion years.  What's the point of the article? 

Exhibits A, B, and C ⬆︎...

It's unfortunate that there is no type or amount of evidence that will matter to those that believe it's all just hysteria, a scientific hoax, or conspiracy with "the" media.

[Alan Klein]

Coming from a Trump apologist, that's rich.

Ididn't know Techtalk was a Trump apologist.