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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #100 on: August 30, 2021, 02:39:42 am »

anybody can calculate the total value of all those weapons?

But, wait, there is more!

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #101 on: August 30, 2021, 02:42:06 am »

I find it totally ironic ( boarding on really sad ) that you care about the people killed in the explosion...but mock the efforts of much of the rest of the world that fights the invisible enemy called Covid. It's taking down over 1,000 people in the US alone each and every day...yet you've consistently mocked wearing masks and other measures to try control the spread of the virus.

 ;D ;D ;D

Oh, yes, by all means let’s sidetrack the discussion about Afghanistan to me and Covid.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #102 on: August 30, 2021, 02:46:53 am »

But, wait, there is more!

Oh, there's always more. It's the internet! A place where facts are whatever appears on a meme graphic. At least for some.
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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #103 on: August 30, 2021, 02:49:27 am »

Yeah, internet memes are a great source of information... until you try to find the source data....

 ;D ;D ;D

You are really a funny guy!!!

Please cut the meme numbers in half. Hack, cut it to a third. It is still a STAGGERING amount of armament that was left to the enemy.

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« Reply #104 on: August 30, 2021, 02:54:56 am »

Or... You could just check to see if what you're posting is in any way accurate by checking the source. Or... Maybe not be so gullible and eager to score political points that checking first is too much trouble. But, you do your thing your way.
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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #105 on: August 30, 2021, 03:01:22 am »

I've done all the mopping up of crap people post on the internet that I feel like doing for now. Well... Enjoy the circus here, just don't follow behind the elephants too closely.
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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #106 on: August 30, 2021, 03:05:41 am »

Or... You could just check to see if what you're posting is in any way accurate by checking the source. Or... Maybe not be so gullible and eager to score political points that checking first is too much trouble. But, you do your thing your way.

Oh, my god! The times we are living in! One can’t take seriously newspapers as a source anymore!

You heard the old adage of not being able to see the forest from the trees? Well, you are raising it to a whole new level by attempting to actually count the trees. And branches. And stumps. And fallen leaves.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #107 on: August 30, 2021, 03:18:46 am »

Oh, my god! The times we are living in! One can’t take seriously random crap people find on the internet as a source anymore?
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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #108 on: August 30, 2021, 03:26:31 am »

Your attempts to be funny are just as funny as Biden’s attempts to be President.

You are really a funny guy!!!

Although you can't seem to make up your mind whether or not I'm funny... Biden is still President.
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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #109 on: August 30, 2021, 04:15:00 am »

Not a meme. BBC:

Afghanistan: Black Hawks and Humvees - military kit now with the Taliban https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58356045

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« Reply #110 on: August 30, 2021, 06:04:17 am »

Changing tack somewhat to keep an eye on the mood and views on the other side of the Atlantic …

The UK Parliament was recalled for an urgent debate on the Afghan crisis back in August. On Wednesday, September 1 , the UK Foreign Secretary, Dominic Raab, will be questioned by a cross-party committee of MPs , chaired by Tom Tugendhat. Expected to be a lively session, Raab is not someone who currently enjoys an excess of respect or support.

I have linked below to Tugendhat’s speech in the parliamentary debate.  You’ll need to scrub forward to  11:23:35 , it lasts some 7 minutes, earned a standing ovation from both sides of the house and plaudits later.

Also highly recommended, is Tobias Elwood, ex-military, US/UK dual national. Some 6 minutes starting at  11:38:17 .

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/392a628b-beda-4bc1-91df-584f2a1cdf90

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The last British soldiers flew out of Afghanistan last night as a vitriolic blame game erupted in Whitehall over efforts to save thousands more Afghans who are trapped at the mercy of the Taliban.

Ministers and officials accused the Foreign Office of negligence in preparing escape routes and claimed that up to 9,000 people who could have been eligible for rescue would be left behind.

But with Boris Johnson pushing for more rescue efforts to save those who remain, ministers and officials traded blows over whether there was a feasible plan.

Anyone who gets to a third country and qualifies for the resettlement scheme for former British staff will be offered a free flight to the UK. But the neighbouring countries of Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are reluctant to provide free passage.

It was also claimed that the decision by Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, to remain on holiday at the start of the crisis cost vital days that meant up to 1,000 people have not been evacuated who otherwise would have been.

Last night a senior official in the Pakistani government said Raab had shown no interest in talking to them, claiming that he did not make a single phone call to the Afghan or Pakistani foreign ministers in the six months before the crisis. “He just didn’t care,” the official said. “He thought Afghanistan was yesterday’s war and the government was totally focused on Brexit.”

In a move nicknamed “Uber escapes”, security sources said that local drivers are being contracted to take those at risk through Taliban checkpoints to land borders with neighbouring countries. But insiders said this had already led to extortion by people traffickers demanding $25,000 per person to provide safe passage out.

Source: The Times (UK)
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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #111 on: August 30, 2021, 06:09:21 am »

... Source: The Times (UK)

The same source as for the "internet meme" about lost armaments I posted earlier. Tsk, tsk, tsk.  ;)

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #112 on: August 30, 2021, 06:13:51 am »

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Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, to remain on holiday at the start of the crisis

As well as Biden (whose mind has been on holiday for quite some time), his press secretary Psaki (silent "P" and silent conscience), and his Secretary of State "Dangerous to America" Blinken.

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« Reply #113 on: August 30, 2021, 06:22:16 am »

Not a meme. BBC:

Afghanistan: Black Hawks and Humvees - military kit now with the Taliban https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58356045

Did you actually read the article that you linked? What do you intend this latest chart to represent? What do you intend for the other chart of aircraft at the top of the page to represent? It isn't clear what to make of pictures of aircraft with numbers.

Well, at least you left a link to the source finally; so that anyone curious enough and willing to read the BBC article carefully will know for certain that your charts are NOT a representation of any number or type of aircraft that the Taliban have captured. Because right now no one knows how many aircraft; or what type; or what condition any captured may be in; or whether any are operational; or *how many were flown out of Afghanistan; or much of anything else regarding the subject at the moment.

*The BBC article does link to a tweet regarding Afghan military aircraft flown out of Afghanistan from the CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies).

** For anyone interested in a serious point of view regarding how we came to the current situation in Afghanistan, I would recommend reading this article in Foreign Policy by P. Michael McKinley (U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan in 2014–16. Also has served as U.S. Ambassador to Brazil, Colombia, and Peru and as Senior Adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.) I'm not endorsing his viewpoint, but it's a refreshing change from internet memes and political babble.
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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #114 on: August 30, 2021, 06:48:52 am »

... know for certain that your charts are NOT a representation of any number or type of aircraft that the Taliban have captured. Because right now no one knows how many ...

 ;D ;D ;D

Let me know when you decide is it "knowing for certain" or "no one knows."

Btw, those were not my charts, but of The Times, The Sunday Times, and the BBC.

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« Reply #115 on: August 30, 2021, 07:05:47 am »

Do you need help with reading comprehension? You might start by reading complete sentences in their entirety and in the order they are presented to understand context. Context is always a good thing.

The charts were posted by you. It is opaque as to what you're representing them to mean. Perhaps you didn't know what they represented and just hung them out to encourage viewers to jump to conclusions—a favorite pastime of some.
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« Reply #116 on: August 30, 2021, 07:24:54 am »

... Perhaps you didn't know what they represented and just hung them out to encourage viewers to jump to conclusions...

Maybe I didn't know. Maybe to encourage viewers to interpret them as any intelligent viewer would, taking into account the very legend: in-country usable aircraft as of 30 June THIS year, according to the US Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction.

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« Reply #117 on: August 30, 2021, 08:12:31 am »

An intelligent viewer would likely ignore your memes and charts. The chart of planes and numbers at the top of the page has no date reference and is accompanied by your excited response of "But, wait, there is more!" in reply to the question of "anybody can calculate the total value of all those weapons?" That question was in regard to the phony "Taliban's new arsenal" meme you graciously shared with us. So the intention there?

Well, like I said, an intelligent viewer would likely ignore your memes and charts. I'm not always that smart and occasionally look at some garbage like the "Taliban's new arsenal" meme and wonder—where did that crap originate?

Your last chart does have a date on it as you mentioned which is right under the words "forces have?". At least this time there was a link to the source, so maybe it's progress.
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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #118 on: August 30, 2021, 08:30:58 am »

I don't have access to the American Pravda's original article, but apparently the news originated there:

https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/29/taliban-deal-control-kabul-us-rejected-washington-post/

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The head of the Taliban’s political wing presented the U.S. with an option to secure Kabul in the aftermath of President Ashraf Ghani’s hasty departure, but President Joe Biden’s administration declined the offer, a Saturday report said.



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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #119 on: August 30, 2021, 08:36:01 am »

TechTalk's efforts to relativize Biden's staggering transfer of armaments to the enemy reminds me of the following meme:

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