Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine

[Robert Roaldi]

The government's flip-flopping on what to do, how it works, what's the best regarding Covid, isolation, testing, vaccinations, etc. is getting more confusing day by day.  It seems they're following the economics and polling rather than the science.  There's no clear message going out?  Even Democrats are complaining.  What are the rest of us supposed to think and do?
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Please stop.

[digitaldog]

Please stop.

Your request will be denied. Just as the sun will set in the west.
It is rude to silence a fool, and cruelty to let him go on. 

[Chris Calohan]

The government is flip-flopping on this virus because as life always finds a way to exist, even where no one ever thought possible, so does a virulent virus. This virus will mutate and continue to do so either in a manner in which it eventually renders itself neutered or it will infect everyone in the world, and only the fittest will survive. Natural selection, as it were but all this blathering on about the government having some effect on the virus, or the government being right or wrong is just wagging tongues with nothing profound to say. Me thinks you all need to go back to bed, because unless you are a virologist, immunologist or infections medicine specialist you really have nothing to add.

[Alan Klein]

Please stop.

Apparently, you didn't read the rest of my post.  Even Democrats agree with me. You have to keep up.

"Decoding what Biden health officials told Congress about Omicron
In contrast to previous oversight hearings on the administration’s Covid-19 response, Dems raised sharp questions and complaints on the state of the resurging pandemic.
Senators on Tuesday demanded clear answers from the Biden administration health officials on the state of the resurging pandemic and the government's short- and long-term plans for combating it. They mostly got jargon.

In contrast to previous oversight hearings on the Biden administration's Covid-19 response, Democrats on the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee raised sharp questions and complaints about widespread “confusion and frustration” around who should isolate and for how long after a Covid exposure or diagnosis, or where and when to get tested.

“We want the Biden team to take advantage of the opportunity to speak directly to those frustrations and anxieties,” a senior Democratic aide told POLITICO heading into the hearing.

The answers may not assuage their fears."
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/11/covid-health-officials-congress-omicron-526950

[LesPalenik]

Senators on Tuesday demanded clear answers from the Biden administration health officials on the state of the resurging pandemic and the government's short- and long-term plans for combating it. They mostly got jargon.

In contrast to previous oversight hearings on the Biden administration's Covid-19 response, Democrats on the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee raised sharp questions and complaints about widespread “confusion and frustration” around who should isolate and for how long after a Covid exposure or diagnosis, or where and when to get tested.

“We want the Biden team to take advantage of the opportunity to speak directly to those frustrations and anxieties,” a senior Democratic aide told POLITICO heading into the hearing.

The senators might as well ask Biden to clarify the confusion who is the leader in the electric vehicles.

[Alan Klein]

The senators might as well ask Biden to clarify the confusion who is the leader in the electric vehicles.

They should check with Fauci.

[TechTalk]

You're not alone in asking that question...

The Journal of Infectious Diseases - Published: January 5, 2022

Effect of influenza vaccination on risk of COVID-19 – A prospective cohort study of 46,000 health care workers

Summary

This cohort study of 46,112 health care workers examined the effect of influenza vaccination on hospitalization and symptoms due to COVID-19, and development of antibodies against SARS-CoV-2. Influenza vaccination had no effect on the specified outcomes.

https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/Effect of influenza vaccination on risk of COVID-19

Thanks very much.

I'm happy to do so Robert. In-between the merry-go-round of repetitious talking points and the occasional Elon Musk worship service, I like to slip in a little science once in awhile.

[Peter McLennan]

I like to slip in a little science once in awhile.

And it's greatly appreciated.

[TechTalk]

Thanks. I'm just trying to increase the ratio of useful information to repetitious rhetoric from time to time. There are others doing this as well and I'm grateful for their contributions.

[TechTalk]

The government is flip-flopping on this virus because as life always finds a way to exist, even where no one ever thought possible, so does a virulent virus. This virus will mutate and continue to do so either in a manner in which it eventually renders itself neutered or it will infect everyone in the world, and only the fittest will survive. Natural selection, as it were but all this blathering on about the government having some effect on the virus, or the government being right or wrong is just wagging tongues with nothing profound to say. Me thinks you all need to go back to bed, because unless you are a virologist, immunologist or infections medicine specialist you really have nothing to add.

Life and viruses find a way to exist, except when they are unable and become extinct or eradicated—like dinosaurs and smallpox. The predecessor to SARS-CoV-2, the virus which causes COVID-19 disease, was SARS-CoV (also referred to as simply SARS or SARS-CoV-1) which appeared in 2003. SARS-CoV was much deadlier than the current virus, but also far less easily transmitted and appears to have been eradicated thru containment actions coordinated by public health professionals working together globally. There have been no known instances of the disease since 2004. So, beyond natural selection, there are ways to combat viruses like containment and vaccination.

All viruses mutate, it's the rate of mutation that varies. Viruses like influenza and SARS-CoV-2 mutate rapidly and can mutate to become deadlier, more transmissible, or both. Vaccination and other public health measures reduce the spread and therefore the opportunities for viruses to mutate. Governments have played a critical role in both vaccine development and deployment and the implementation of other public health measures in order to save lives and reduce the spread, evolution, and impact of viruses.

I do like the idea of getting our information from virologists, immunologists, and infectious disease experts rather than from blathering on the internet. I also like the idea of going back to bed.

[Alan Klein]

So now what?

The highly contagious Omicron variant will 'find just about everybody,' Fauci says
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/most-people-are-going-to-get-covid-19-says-acting-fda-head-as-omicron-surge-continues-pandemic-coronavirus-health-safety-vaccine-vaccination-mandates-hospitalizations-medical-children

[TechTalk]

"Those who have been vaccinated ... and boosted would get exposed. Some, maybe a lot of them, will get infected but will very likely, with some exceptions, do reasonably well in the sense of not having hospitalization and death."

There is a difference between being exposed and being infected. Vaccination along with booster shots reduce the chances of an exposure resulting in an infection. So does taking common sense measures to avoid or reduce the risk of exposure, N95 or KN95 masks, social distancing, limiting indoor gatherings, etc.

"The CDC says the risk of hospitalization is now 17 times higher for unvaccinated people than for fully vaccinated."

So now what? Get vaccinated, boosted, and use your common sense to minimize your risk of exposure or infection.

Full transcript available here...

https://www.csis.org/analysis/fireside-chat-dr-anthony-fauci-pandemic-transition

[chez]

So now what?

The highly contagious Omicron variant will 'find just about everybody,' Fauci says
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/most-people-are-going-to-get-covid-19-says-acting-fda-head-as-omicron-surge-continues-pandemic-coronavirus-health-safety-vaccine-vaccination-mandates-hospitalizations-medical-children

The key is not to infect everyone at the same time and bring humanity to a standstill.

[Alan Klein]

"Those who have been vaccinated ... and boosted would get exposed. Some, maybe a lot of them, will get infected but will very likely, with some exceptions, do reasonably well in the sense of not having hospitalization and death."

There is a difference between being exposed and being infected. Vaccination along with booster shots reduce the chances of an exposure resulting in an infection. So does taking common sense measures to avoid or reduce the risk of exposure, N95 or KN95 masks, social distancing, limiting indoor gatherings, etc.

"The CDC says the risk of hospitalization is now 17 times higher for unvaccinated people than for fully vaccinated."

So now what? Get vaccinated, boosted, and use your common sense to minimize your risk of exposure or infection.

Full transcript available here...

https://www.csis.org/analysis/fireside-chat-dr-anthony-fauci-pandemic-transition

But Fauci said everyone's going to get it.  I gave you his quote.  If we're all going to get it, sure the vaccine might help from getting too sick.  But what is the purpose of the mask, social distancing, etc.  if it's going to spread anyway?

[Alan Klein]

The key is not to infect everyone at the same time and bring humanity to a standstill.

They're estimating the whole Omicron will go through in two months.  The high case number shows that.  Meanwhile, I can't get through to my doctors' offices in most cases.  I called Verizon Wireless and they told me I had to wait 40 minutes to get a live person.  Never was like that before.  And McDonald's prices went up 9%, almost ten bucks for a quarter pounder and a medium fries and Diet Coke. 

[TechTalk]

But Fauci said everyone's going to get it.  I gave you his quote.

"I think, in many respects, Omicron, with its extraordinary, unprecedented degree of efficiency of transmissibility, will, ultimately, find just about everybody. Those who have been vaccinated and vaccinated and boosted would get exposed. Some, maybe a lot of them, will get infected but will very likely, with some exceptions, do reasonably well in the sense of not having hospitalization and death."

Exposure and infection are not the same thing.

[LesPalenik]

They're estimating the whole Omicron will go through in two months.  The high case number shows that.  Meanwhile, I can't get through to my doctors' offices in most cases.  I called Verizon Wireless and they told me I had to wait 40 minutes to get a live person.  Never was like that before.  And McDonald's prices went up 9%, almost ten bucks for a quarter pounder and a medium fries and Diet Coke.

At those prices, the vegan hamburger patties should be soon competitive with the cholesterol versions.

[TechTalk]

And McDonald's prices went up 9%, almost ten bucks for a quarter pounder and a medium fries and Diet Coke. 

In-between the merry-go-round of repetitious talking points and the occasional Elon Musk worship service, I like to slip in a little science once in awhile.

[Alan Klein]

"I think, in many respects, Omicron, with its extraordinary, unprecedented degree of efficiency of transmissibility, will, ultimately, find just about everybody. Those who have been vaccinated and vaccinated and boosted would get exposed. Some, maybe a lot of them, will get infected but will very likely, with some exceptions, do reasonably well in the sense of not having hospitalization and death."

Exposure and infection are not the same thing.

He said, "Maybe a lot of them." will get infected.   What does that mean?  What is the difference between getting exposed and getting infected?  Sounds like a distinction without a difference.

[TechTalk]

Not this "distinction without a difference" crap again. Do your own Google search for the difference between exposure and infection. This isn't your personal research service.

It's already been throughly discussed before in this thread. Try paying attention once in awhile! Maybe you could at least get a quote right then.