Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine

[TechTalk]

Stay at home, masks, nothing is going to hold it back... Frankly, I don't know if cities and countries will ever recover.

If you lost your business, the sky has already fallen.

Meanwhile, it's cold comfort for the thousands who invested their life savings and lost everything. 

the sky has fallen already for many people. 

I have a feeling that Omicron is going through the populations so quickly, we won't have time to do much about it.

We've heard the complaint. What's your solution?

So, how do you suggest that people should respond? What action should government take at the local, state, and federal level?

[JoeKitchen]

Glad to see nothing has changed here. 

Just to add, Omicold is 80% less deadly then Delta, which was less deadly then Alpha, and there is no spike in hospitalizations and deaths in countries that have already peaked, like South Africa.  This is going to be nothing but a case of the common cold, for nearly all, and what Covid is going to be now that it is endemic. 

But anyway, yes, you will most likely get it and spread it at this point.  It is 70 times more transmissible that Delta, which was 40 times more then Alpha, which was very transmissible to begin with.  So 2800 times easier to spread that the first strain.  However we are not seeing many deaths from this. 

So, non-vaxed, vaxed, tripple vaxed and quadruple masked, I suggest mentally preparing that you will get it.  And no, if you do, it does not mean you are a bad person.  You just got a virus that went viral.  Not even performing all of the sacraments TechTalk is suggesting is going to ward it off, but smear goats blood on your transom if you want to. 

Now if this was Smallpox, I'd be heading to the nearest dairy farm and giving myself Cowpox. 

Anyway, 82 and sunny and low himidity here in Abu Dhabi and the locals are no more crazy then me over this. 

[Alan Klein]

Send some pictures, Joe.

[JoeKitchen]

So, how do you suggest that people should respond? What action should government take at the local, state, and federal level?

This is the cure. 

Data from South Africa is showing that it is spreading faster amongst the vaccinated than the un-vaxxed.  Turns out, looks like natural immunity is better, so this will burn through the population (even recent triple vaxed are getting it), and hopefully large amounts of natural immunity will finally end it. 

[JoeKitchen]

Send some pictures, Joe.

Next year, we need to strive to rise above the clouds!

[Alan Klein]

So, how do you suggest that people should respond? What action should government take at the local, state, and federal level?

Nothing much.  The government won't change anything.  It's so viral and so many are traveling for the holidays.  By the time they all get back home, everyone will have it. 

If you're really worried for yourself, stay home and isolate for a month until it blows through.  Then you can come out again. 

Frankly, at 76 with comorbidities, I'm a little worried.  But not overly so.  I'm hoping that my vaccinations including the booster and the apparent mildness of the strain will protect me. 

[Alan Klein]

Next year, we need to strive to rise above the clouds!

Nice shot.  Aren't cell phones amazing!  You can instantaneously transmit voice and pictures across the world.  When I think of my old Kodak box camera when I was a kid.

[TechTalk]

Glad to see nothing has changed here.

Nope. You still drop in to spread misinformation and wild assertions from time to time.

Glad that you're doing well.

[Alan Klein]

Nope. You still drop in to spread misinformation and wild assertions from time to time.

Glad that you're doing well.

That's strange.  I thought you were the wild one.

[chez]

If you lost your business, the sky has already fallen.

Alan in my town we have restaurants and businesses closing and opening on a regular basis over the last 25 years. Don't make this sound as something new.

[chez]

Easy for you to say.  Meanwhile, it's cold comfort for the thousands who invested their life savings and lost everything.

What about those that lost much more...like their lives. Do they count in your view.

[Alan Klein]

What about those that lost much more...like their lives. Do they count in your view.

Of course they count.  But can't we walk and chew gum at the same time?  I've always argued that Covid is hitting us in two ways - our health and our economy.  Can't we also have compassion for those who lost their livelihood and can't feed their families?  Unfortunately, this whole thing has gotten political from day one.  Democrats for health and Republicans for jobs. It's just silly.  The election is over.

[Manoli]

I have a feeling that Omicron is going through the populations so quickly, we won't have time to do much about it.

Alan, my comment about being proactive snd pre-emptive referred to *then*, when a great majority were touting the ‘nothing to worry about’ line.  If you want good updates follow YLE and the head of UCSF that I’ve linked to above.

ITM, over 2,000 christmas flights already cancelled, hospitals and clinics losing staff by the hour, hospitality sector rocked by cancellations w/ many closing down permanently and BigBro governments haven’t even got involved other than to make masks and testing obligatory.

[TechTalk]

I've always argued that Covid is hitting us in two ways - our health and our economy.

Everyone recognizes that the economy has been damaged as a result of dealing with a pandemic. It's obvious to all, but you like to repeat this endlessly like you made a great discovery. It didn't require great insight to anticipate that a global pandemic was going to rock the world economy severely.

Can't we also have compassion for those who lost their livelihood and can't feed their families?

You underestimate the compassion and concerns of everyone on this matter except yourself. Keep patting yourself on the back for recognizing what is obvious to everyone, it might be good for your circulation.

[Jonathan Cross]

Of course Covid is hitting both health and the economy. The longer Covid is around the greater the hit on the economy, if for no other reason than those who get Covid are not contributing. Surely we should be concentrating on getting rid of Covid quicker by stopping its spread and severity. Data from many places are showing that the most ill are often unvaccinated. Masks slow the spread.

Whatever political leaning people have it would seem to be in everyone’s interest to do all they can to defeat Covid then we can return to a normal life and economy minimising the damage to both.

Jonathan

[Manoli]

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Next year, we need to strive to rise above the clouds!

No time like *now*, Joe.
Photos and article on a Gerald Donovan who, until a few years ago, was a forum contributor

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2320641/Sandstorm-Burj-Khalifa-Watch-breathtaking-video-showing-sandstorm-engulfing-worlds-tallest-building.html

The top of the Burj Khalifa is over 200 metres above the highest point reached by the building’s elevators, which reach the 160th floor at speeds of some 10 metres per second. The tower’s public observation deck is on the 124th floor and the journey to the pinnacle involves a steep ladder climb within the 200-meter spire that crowns the building.

[PeterAit]

They left out Tokyo SkyTree at 634 meters. Here is a photo I took from the top level.

[Alan Klein]

Of course Covid is hitting both health and the economy. The longer Covid is around the greater the hit on the economy, if for no other reason than those who get Covid are not contributing. Surely we should be concentrating on getting rid of Covid quicker by stopping its spread and severity. Data from many places are showing that the most ill are often unvaccinated. Masks slow the spread.

Whatever political leaning people have it would seem to be in everyone’s interest to do all they can to defeat Covid then we can return to a normal life and economy minimising the damage to both.

Jonathan

Is it possible that the way to defeat Omicron is to allow it to infect everyone, run its course, to get it behind us?

[digitaldog]

Is it possible that the way to defeat Omicron is to allow it to infect everyone, run its course, to get it behind us?

Do get infected and let us then know how it works for you.
Check your BMI or percentage of body fat first Alan  :
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/health/covid-fat-obesity.html

The research may help explain why people who are overweight and obese have been at higher risk of severe illness and death from Covid.

[digitaldog]

For those that pay attention to science:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/health/cloth-mask-omicron-variant-wellness/index.html  Updated 11:28 AM ET, Fri December 24, 2021

"Why you should upgrade your mask as the Omicron variant spreads":
"Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and visiting professor of health policy and management at the George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health, on CNN Newsroom Tuesday".