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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2520 on: December 18, 2021, 10:13:57 pm »

He is not my hero, just one of the information channels I follow. He may well have more typos in his titles than me in my LuLa posts.

Speaking about celebrities, Elizabeth Warren reached a new low. After Time magazine featured Elon Musk on their cover, she went into a rage and posted six hateful Facebook ads about him, calling him names and lying about him not paying his share of taxes. That's in a year when he paid more taxes any other US citizen.  She called him a freeloader and then she had the audacity to ask her Facebook followers to send her $10 to pay for those ads.
The irony is really that Warren as a senator made tax law so he can pay less taxes.  He's just following her rules.  On top of that, it was Warren and the others in Congress who gave the rebates to Tesla to help them sell so many cars and make Musk a billionaire. 

On the other hand, considering how rich Warren made Musk, he ought to be more polite, even thankful,  in his tweets.   ;)

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« Reply #2521 on: December 18, 2021, 10:32:54 pm »

Photography experts came out and rated three cameras as 93%, 94% and 78% effective for capturing the right exposure in Auto mode.   But then they said, it really doesn't matter which you choose.  All will work well.  Which camera would you not choose?

As with vaccines, I would choose whichever was available at the critical moment I needed to take the shot rather than miss it and be sorry later.
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« Reply #2522 on: December 18, 2021, 10:40:26 pm »

Well, that was J&J.  They were rated around 78% efficacious during trials while Moderna and Pfizer were at 93% and 94%. Yet the scientists tried to convince everyone it didn't matter, again lying to the public for political reasons and to fool us into accepting a sub-standard vaccine, adding to the mistrust of scientists.  Les made a good point that you would be better off listening to a stock picker.   Many here believed the lie because they were "scientists" rather than using their own common sense.  Of course, J&J's efficacy also subsequently waned the fastest and became a harmful vaccine that killed many people, which makes sense considering how poorly it did during the original trials.

Recently, the CDC has finally recommended Moderna and Pfizer over J&J.  How many people did the CDC kill and infect in their rush to get a bad vaccine out and phony arguments to make it seem harmless?
https://www.prevention.com/health/a35227295/johnson-and-johnson-covid-19-vaccine/

I'm guessing that few wonder why my advice is never to trust anything posted by online attention seekers with an agenda regarding matters affecting your health. People with any reasonable amount of judgement or common sense listen to people with knowledge and experience in their field.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2523 on: December 18, 2021, 10:47:12 pm »

As with vaccines, I would choose whichever was available at the critical moment I needed to take the shot rather than miss it and be sorry later.
I'm guessing that few wonder why my advice is never to trust anything posted by online attention seekers with an agenda regarding matters affecting your health. People with any reasonable amount of judgement or common sense listen to people with knowledge and experience in their field.
The scientists argued that it didn't matter.  That wasn't true and they knew it. 

They did the same thing with masks early on when they said the general public doesn't need them so people wouldn't buy up the remaining stock and prevent medical people from getting them.  They lied then too to fool the public.  So now, when so many people think they've been lied to, because they were, it's hard to argue against their feelings that scientists and politicians weren'tt upfront with the real truth about things. 
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2524 on: December 18, 2021, 10:55:15 pm »

Funny thing is that I was following the science.

That would be a funny statement were the subject not so deadly serious.
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« Reply #2525 on: December 18, 2021, 11:15:34 pm »

Common sense.
That would make perfect sense if you suspend all rational thought.
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« Reply #2526 on: December 18, 2021, 11:17:19 pm »

That would be a funny statement were the subject not so deadly serious.
I was following the science.  I read the trial results and picked Moderna and not J&J.  Others here listened to the scientist's and politicians' BS and agreed with them that J&J was just as good. 

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« Reply #2527 on: December 18, 2021, 11:19:11 pm »

He may well have more typos in his titles than me in my LuLa posts.

There's nothing wrong with what he's typed or his titles... though his excessive use of all caps in the title is annoying in an attention seeking kind of way. I was commenting on his inability to pronounce the word thrombosis properly. He made it sound like he was about to say trombone each time.

"If you can't research certain subjects in enough detail, then it is understandable that you don't get it."
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« Reply #2528 on: December 18, 2021, 11:24:26 pm »

...it's hard to argue against their feelings that scientists and politicians...

It isn't hard to argue that when your feelings toward scientists override your judgment and common sense in critical health considerations, you run a potentially catastrophic risk. As for politicians, this isn't a political thread, no matter how many times you try to hijack it for your own agenda.
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« Reply #2529 on: December 18, 2021, 11:32:36 pm »

Others here listened to the scientist's and politicians' BS and agreed with them that J&J was just as good.

How many lives were saved or serious health consequences avoided among the more than 16 million people that received the J&J vaccine is unknowable. Given that about 1 out of every 410 people in the U.S. has died from COVID-19, it is likely that many lives were saved.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2530 on: December 18, 2021, 11:35:35 pm »

Photography experts came out and rated three cameras as 93%, 94% and 78% effective for capturing the right exposure in Auto mode.   But then they said, it really doesn't matter which you choose.  All will work well.  Which camera would you not choose?
If only you listened to experts on any subject including photographic exposure, (78% or more), you would be able to expose your film without clipping image detail and then producing an awful scan from that inability to expose film: as you admitted to your audience today!
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The scans are clipped but I don;t know if the originals are. I haven't checked.
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On the farm shot, I deliberately clipped the sky completely out for effect because some of it was originally clipped in the film.
https://www.photo.net/discuss/goto/post?id=5932729#post-5932729
Let's add exposure and scanning to the increasing list of strong opinions you have about subjects you’ve demonstrated you know very little about.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2531 on: December 18, 2021, 11:39:12 pm »

It isn't hard to argue that when your feelings toward scientists override your judgment and common sense in critical health considerations, you run a potentially catastrophic risk. As for politicians, this isn't a political thread, no matter how many times you try to hijack it for your own agenda.
You can't discuss this disease and what the public should do unless you include policy recommendations by scientists and politicians.  When you have the Federal court system deciding on whether a presidential declaration through OSHA requires 80 million people to take vaccines based on "science", well, that's politics and policy as well as science.  When governors shut down venues because scientists recommend it, well, that's a political decision made by politicians.  Scientists don't make policy.  Politicians do.   

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2532 on: December 18, 2021, 11:43:02 pm »

If only you listened to experts on any subject including photographic exposure, (78% or more), you would be able to expose your film without clipping image detail and then producing an awful scan from that inability to expose film: as you admitted to your audience today!https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/best-software-for-b-w-images.5527492/
Let's add exposure and scanning to the increasing list of strong opinions you have about subjects you’ve demonstrated you know very little about.

More of your personal attacks and condescending insults.  Posts pulled from other threads that have nothing to do with Covid and this thread.  Back on my ignore list.

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2533 on: December 18, 2021, 11:52:57 pm »

More of your personal attacks and condescending insults.  Posts pulled from other threads that have nothing to do with Covid and this thread.  Back on my ignore list.
Ah, great excuse to avoid this again:
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Begging the question again, one you appear very afraid to answer: your expertise is in what field sir?  ???
Clearly nothing to do Virology, epidemiology, anything with "ology" or photography.  ;)
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2534 on: December 19, 2021, 01:08:12 am »

Posts pulled from other threads that have nothing to do with Covid and this thread.  Back on my ignore list.
More items, “ripped from today's headlines” that have to do with Covid-19 the guy who told us:
So now that Covid is on the way out, we're left with the economic damage.
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The research is still early on the virulence of the Omicron coronavirus variant -- but what's abundantly clear, according to experts, is that it's poised to spread rapidly across the US and will likely overwhelm a battered US health care system.

California COVID-19 hospitalizations rise, new L.A. County cases double amid Omicron spread
COVID-19 hospitalizations are on the rise in California as the Omicron variant spreads, combining with a holiday wave of the Delta strain to spark concerns of yet another surge that could strain the state’s healthcare system.
There were 3,589 COVID-19 patients in the state’s hospitals as of Friday, an increase of roughly 12% from two weeks before, according to The Times’ hospitalization tracker.

COVID-19 cases on the rise across the U.S. as Americans get ready to travel for the holidays One week before Christmas, spiking COVID-19 cases are raising concerns about holiday travel.

Businesses, schools step up precautions amid new COVID surgeDr. Amesh Adalja joins “CBS Saturday Morning” to talk about the latest COVID-19 case numbers and how they could impact businesses, schools and the holiday travel rush.

"Saturday Night Live" will be live from New York on Saturday, but without its usual studio audience and its musical guest.
The NBC variety show said late Saturday afternoon it will not have a live audience in the studio because of the recent rise in cases of the Omicron variant.

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« Reply #2535 on: December 19, 2021, 02:19:12 am »

I was following the science.  I read the trial results and picked Moderna and not J&J.

Excuse me Mr. I was following the Science, but your equation is incomplete. It ends at the beginning and goes nowhere. It doesn't factor in the daily death and hospitalization rates at the time. It disregards the limited availability of any and all vaccines at the time. It doesn't account for the risks associated with waiting. It ignores the supply vs the demand vs the need to vaccinate as many as possible as quickly as possible at the time. It fails to recognize the time, materials, facilities, capacity, and capabilities required to produce enough supply of any one type of vaccine. It discounts the fact that multiple vaccine candidates were selected, funded, and produced for clinical trials because of the advantages that each of the different platform types offered.  The evaluation of vaccines required a symphony of data and you're stuck playing one endless note.

Science provided a complete set of available data and accounted for the full range of factors which had to be considered in any honest risk/benefit analysis. Your "analysis" looked narrowly at benefit while ignoring the risks and supply at the time, rendering it myopic and incomplete to an absurd degree.

When it comes to a choice of whose data was complete and honest in forming an equation for analysis, I'll go with the scientists that you ironically accuse of being dishonest and incomplete. Yours fails the test. Your assault on the trustworthiness and integrity of scientists rings very hollow.

Thanks for your version of science, but no thanks... I for one will pass.
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« Reply #2536 on: December 19, 2021, 02:33:52 am »

Aside from that, I'm not into hero worship or care much about YouTube celebrities and their views.

He [Kevin Paffrath] is not my hero, just one of the information channels I follow...

He's someone that I thought fit the description of YouTube celebrity, not hero.

...After Time magazine featured Elon Musk on their cover

Based on frequency of comments and the heat of reactions, here's where the hero worship might be found to be in play.
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« Reply #2537 on: December 19, 2021, 04:45:32 am »

He's someone that I thought fit the description of YouTube celebrity, not hero.

Based on frequency of comments and the heat of reactions, here's where the hero worship might be found to be in play.

As I mentioned, I listen to several youtubers. Rob Maurer from Daily Tesla and Sandy Munro are the favorite channels. 
Yes, Elon Musk would be much closer to a hero. Not a worshipping kind. more like a guy who doesn't need to lie and can get things done. Shawn James on Selfreliance is also amazing and he can get also things done, but on a different level. If you have time and want to see Ontario Wilderness, you might want to look at his videos.
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« Reply #2538 on: December 19, 2021, 06:49:37 am »

Excuse me Mr. I was following the Science, but your equation is incomplete. It ends at the beginning and goes nowhere. It doesn't factor in the daily death and hospitalization rates at the time. It disregards the limited availability of any and all vaccines at the time. It doesn't account for the risks associated with waiting. It ignores the supply vs the demand vs the need to vaccinate as many as possible as quickly as possible at the time. It fails to recognize the time, materials, facilities, capacity, and capabilities required to produce enough supply of any one type of vaccine. It discounts the fact that multiple vaccine candidates were selected, funded, and produced for clinical trials because of the advantages that each of the different platform types offered.  The evaluation of vaccines required a symphony of data and you're stuck playing one endless note.

Science provided a complete set of available data and accounted for the full range of factors which had to be considered in any honest risk/benefit analysis. Your "analysis" looked narrowly at benefit while ignoring the risks and supply at the time, rendering it myopic and incomplete to an absurd degree.

When it comes to a choice of whose data was complete and honest in forming an equation for analysis, I'll go with the scientists that you ironically accuse of being dishonest and incomplete. Yours fails the test. Your assault on the trustworthiness and integrity of scientists rings very hollow.

Thanks for your version of science, but no thanks... I for one will pass.
The bottom line is that scientists dealt a crooked hand with J&J.  They deceived the public about its effectiveness.   Their oversight was deficient. They allowed a bad product to be fostered on an ignorant  public killing a lot of people. 
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2539 on: December 19, 2021, 08:46:52 am »

The bottom line is that scientists dealt a crooked hand with J&J.  They deceived the public about its effectiveness.   Their oversight was deficient. They allowed a bad product to be fostered on an ignorant  public killing a lot of people.
The bottom line is once again, Alan doesn't have a bloody clue what he writes* and jerks his knee here as exercise, deliberate deficient oversight and factual deficient ignorance:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59692776

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According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), a total of 57 J&J patients have developed a rare blood clot disorder.
Nine people are known so far to have died: seven women and two men.
A total of 16 million US residents have received the single-dose J&J vaccine.
Alan: STOP! the deliberate lies and malpractice.

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In this case a keyboard.
I wish the web site owners felt the same about these dangers and stopped this misinformation campaign.

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