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[TechTalk]

The whole fake outrage about an inference he made is manufactured

While, I could be insulted at the implication of your statement above, given I was one of those disgusted by his "inference" as you like to call it; I'd happily support your right to say it—here or anywhere else.

The same applies to his "inference" and subsequent statements. I expressed my disgust, on more than one occasion, but never called on a moderator or suggested that he be banned for saying those disgusting things.

[TechTalk]

From day one of my participation on LuLa I voiced clearly my opinion that personal attacks via name calling is not ok.

Thanks, Mr. DoubleTalk.

You're welcome. You asked questions and I offered a possible explanation. You're not under any obligation to recognize that possibility, of course. (Although, it appears that when you want to recognize a play on words, you have a pretty easy time doing so. When you don't want to... not so much.)

[Manoli]

Calling me Der Kleine is a Nazi reference. 

No, it is not
More victimhood, more unadulterated bollocks. I enjoined you to ‘man up’, you didn’t . The Nazi ‘get-out-of-jail’ card is but another feeble attempt to deflect.
It won’t wash.


Edit:

By the way, your Der Kleine reference shows you still calling me a Nazi.

More bollocks. I've never called you a Nazi.

[Manoli]

Looking up […] it would translate along the lines of the little man or the small boy or similar combinations—do I have that right?

You do indeed. Given the incident under discussion, it additionally has a certain onomatopoeic appeal as Alan has steadfastly refused to ‘man up’ and apologise for what is indisputably an uncalled for transgression.

[Manoli]

So, if the intent was to call Alan Klein "a little man" (as if it isn't insulting by itself) ... why not say so in English? Why switch to German, if not for the Nazi reference? Not to mention his last name is Klein, not Kleine.

Thank you for making my point. Had I written Klein without the 'e' it would have been grammatically incorrect and we're past sixth grade. Referring to someone who steadfastly refuses to 'man up' as 'the little one', a generic term if ever there was one, has absolutely zilch to do with Nazism, The Third Reich or even Hitler himself.

[Manoli]

The whole fake outrage about an inference he made is manufactured so that you (rhetorical you)  finally have a "justification" for a consistent barrage of insults thrown at him.

Oh, please.
At least you got the 'inference' correct. They were his (Alan's) words, his conjecture. Explain it to him, could you ?

[Alan Klein]

So, if the intent was to call Alan Klein "a little man" (as if it isn't insulting by itself) ... why not say so in English? Why switch to German, if not for the Nazi reference? Not to mention his last name is Klein, not Kleine.

Alan Klein has been consistently one of the most polite and patient debater on this forum. And mostly correct. The whole fake outrage about an inference he made is manufactured so that you (rhetorical you)  finally have a "justification" for a consistent barrage of insults thrown at him.

Thanks for the defense Slobodan but many people here would prefer to continue to go down the road of personal insult rather than intellectual debate.  It's going to kill participation in the forums which you can see by the reduced number of threads and posts.  They want to silence opposing views which seems to be a regular tactic of the left.  Rather than debate points, they'd rather shut down those they disagree with using insult and accusation.  Since the last moderator has left, it's gotten out of hand.   

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Thank you for making my point. Had I written Klein without the 'e' it would have been grammatically incorrect and we're past sixth grade. Referring to someone who steadfastly refuses to 'man up' as 'the little one', a generic term if ever there was one, has absolutely zilch to do with Nazism, The Third Reich or even Hitler himself.

Ok, Mr. Cannoli.

You see? When I do a play on words, I give you a compliment, not insult 

[TechTalk]

Ok, Mr. Cannoli.

You see? When I do a play on words, I give you a compliment

And your play on words and compliment reference something sweet! I always suspected that in addition to your intelligence and acerbic writing style there was sweet side as well!

The only down side is that you reminded me that I haven't had a really good cannoli in years.

[Robert Roaldi]

The 7-day avg of US daily Covid deaths is at about 1600+ and the curve seems to be rising still. The fight boils down to vaccinations, social distance and hygiene, this has not changed one iota since the outset. Neither political rhetoric, virtue signalling or forum semantic argument have any effect whatsoever on how a virus travels through a population.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Neither political rhetoric, virtue signalling or forum semantic argument have any effect whatsoever on how a virus travels through a population.

Nor vaccinations, social distance and hygiene. Lord moves in mysterious ways... so does the virus.

[Robert Roaldi]

Nor vaccinations, social distance and hygiene. Lord moves in mysterious ways... so does the virus.

You're free to believe that.

[Manoli]

Nor vaccinations, social distance and hygiene. Lord moves in mysterious ways... so does the virus.

Reading the chart from right to left, you’ll see that those countries with over 75% vaccinations go a long way to discrediting your post.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Reading the chart from right to left, you’ll see that those countries with over 75% vaccinations go a long way to discrediting your post....

What is there to discredit?

I am simply stating that the virus moves in mysterious ways... affects vaccinated and unvaccinated, affects those who socially distance and those who don't, those with masks and those without (Lollapalooza in Chicago, US Open in NY, Obama's party, Pelosi lunch, AOC gala, etc. etc.)

[LesPalenik]

According to recent Ontario Public Health report, the number of cases in unvaccinated people is much higher than in partially or fully vaccinated people.

The number of post-vaccination cases declines dramatically as time from vaccination increases.

 Only 13.4% of cases post-vaccination occurred 14 or more days after dose 2 administration
and are considered breakthrough cases.
 The rate of COVID-19 in unvaccinated individuals is higher compared to fully vaccinated
individuals. This trend has remained consistent over time.
 In the past 30 days, unvaccinated individuals were approximately 7.9 times more likely to
become a case of COVID-19 compared to fully vaccinated individuals.
 Among individuals 60 years of age or older, the rate of COVID-19-related hospitalizations was
higher among unvaccinated individuals compared to fully vaccinated individuals. This trend has
remained consistent over time.
 In the past 30 days, unvaccinated adults 60 years of age or older were approximately 30.3
times more likely to be hospitalized due to COVID-19 compared to fully vaccinated adults
60 years of age and older.

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?la=en

[PeterAit]

Alan Klein has been consistently one of the most polite and patient debater on this forum. And mostly correct.

The "polite and patient" part is certainly true. The "mostly correct" part is egregiously wrong.

[TechTalk]

Nor vaccinations, social distance and hygiene. Lord moves in mysterious ways... so does the virus.

What is there to discredit?

I am simply stating that the virus moves in mysterious ways... affects vaccinated and unvaccinated, affects those who socially distance and those who don't, those with masks and those without (Lollapalooza in Chicago, US Open in NY, Obama's party, Pelosi lunch, AOC gala, etc. etc.)

The ability for a pandemic airborne virus to be transmitted and to subsequently reproduce itself and evolve into variants is dramatically diminished among people who are vaccinated; avoid large and/or crowded gatherings; wear masks in public places; and socially distance. Due to the preprogrammed and heightened immune response provided by vaccination, exposure to transmission causing an infection will likely result in a substantially lower viral load being produced due to the reduction in viral lifespan within the body as the prepared and boosted immune system attacks the virus to eradicate it. The reduction in viral load and lifespan limits the ability of the virus to: cause serious illness; be transmitted to others; or evolve into variants. Following the aforementioned common sense public health measures reduce both the quantity of virus spread and opportunity for viral transmission. Combining all of the above is the most effective means of combating and controlling pandemic viruses; reducing their impact on individuals and society; and saving lives.

Those that choose to go unvaccinated; gather in large and/or crowded environments; go unmasked in public places; and do not socially distance themselves aid in accelerating the spread of viral transmission and the evolution of variants. They have a far greater risk of: becoming infected and spreading the virus to others; of requiring hospitalization when infected; suffering from short or long-term complications; and dying. Their ignorance and poor choices not only unnecessarily risks their own health, but increases their potential for becoming a health risk to those around them. The primary beneficiary of this type of behavior is the virus, which will enjoy: a longer life; greater liberty to spread, and enhanced pursuit of victims to host their replication and continued evolution. They become Darwinian laboratories as their failure to adapt diminishes their own population while serving as hosts for the evolution of a virus. Viruses require hosts to survive and there are an unfortunate number of friendly hosts willing to assist.

The behavior, replication, and evolution of viruses is not nearly as great a mystery to those who have devoted their lives and careers to the study, research, treatment, control, and eradication of viruses. For those unable or unwilling to listen or learn from those most knowledgeable, it will remain mysterious and will result, for some, in deadly consequences for themselves or loved ones.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Your text or a quote?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

The "polite and patient" part is certainly true. The "mostly correct" part is egregiously wrong.

The latter, of course, depends on your point of view. I tend to agree with Alan often, but fully understand that you, based on your world view, may not.

[Alan Klein]

Reading the chart from right to left, you’ll see that those countries with over 75% vaccinations go a long way to discrediting your post.

I don't see the infection or death rates only the vaccinations rates. Where is the former?