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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2580 on: December 20, 2021, 08:35:22 pm »

Wow, that's a keeper that needs repeating with your permission. Brilliant. Succinct. Quote worthy.

Feel free. It's my rewording of a meme that I received recently from a friend.
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« Reply #2581 on: December 20, 2021, 10:36:00 pm »

Today, 7:55EST The Wall Street Journal
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New York state reported a record number of Covid-19 infections for the fourth consecutive day on Monday, when officials said 23,391 people had tested positive for the virus. Just over 4,000 people were hospitalized around the state, compared with peak levels of almost 19,000 in April of 2020.
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The CDC’s updated data showed Omicron had caused some 13% of recent infections in the week through Dec. 11.
The variant has spread rapidly in the U.S. and has reached at least 89 nations around the world since being identified in southern Africa last month.
The Omicron variant is causing Covid-19 cases to double every 1.5 to 3 days in places with community transmission, the World Health Organization said over the weekend.

A NY state resident recently reported on December 16th that ”Covid is on the way out”. 🤔
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« Reply #2582 on: December 20, 2021, 10:59:28 pm »

Today, 7:55EST The Wall Street Journal
A NY state resident recently reported on December 16th that ”Covid is on the way out”. 🤔
"Predictions are hard, especially about the future."- Yogi Berra

Yes, it seems that the Covid Classic is on the way out.
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« Reply #2584 on: December 21, 2021, 05:42:05 am »

More on natural selection:

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Sperm quality is impaired for months for some people after recovery from COVID-19, researchers have found.

The semen itself was not infectious, the researchers found. But among 35 men who provided samples within a month after recovery from symptomatic infection, reductions in sperm motility were evident in 60% and sperm counts were reduced in 37%. As reported on Monday in Fertility and Sterility, semen samples were obtained from 120 Belgian men with an average age of 35 years, at an average of 52 days after their COVID-19 symptoms had resolved. Among 51 men tested between one and two months after recovery, 37% had reduced sperm motility and 29% had low sperm counts. Among 34 men who provided semen samples at least two months after recovery, sperm motility was impaired in 28% and sperm counts were low in 6%. The severity of COVID-19 infection was not correlated with sperm characteristics.

"Couples with a desire for pregnancy should be warned that sperm quality after COVID-19 infection can be suboptimal," the researchers concluded. "The estimated recovery time is 3 months, but further follow-up studies are under way to confirm this and to determine if permanent damage occurred in a minority of men."

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-infections-appear-no-less-severe-than-delta-covid-19-lowers-sperm-count-2021-12-20/

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2585 on: December 21, 2021, 04:20:53 pm »

Good news from Biden.  I feel safer already.  Happy New Year everyone. :)

Biden assures Americans vaccinated against Covid-19 that they can go ahead with holiday plans despite Omicron surge
"I know some Americans are wondering if you can safely celebrate the holidays with your family and friends. The answer is, yes you can if you and those you celebrate with are vaccinated, particularly if you've gotten your booster shot," Biden said in a White House speech Tuesday.
The speech, which came just days before Christmas, reflects Biden's renewed focus on the coronavirus pandemic as anxiety rises around the country at the steep spike in cases and concerns about whether new restrictive measures will be needed to limit the spread.

Biden emphasized repeatedly throughout the speech that the current moment is different than March 2020, when the coronavirus solidified its grip on the US.
"The other question folks are asking is, 'Are we going back to March 2020?' ... The answer is absolutely no. No," Biden said.

The President told vaccinated Americans they should feel comfortable celebrating the holidays as they planned if they take the proper precautions, but he also warned the tens of millions of Americans who have so far declined to get shots that they run a high risk of becoming ill or hospitalized. And he also invoked the name of his predecessor to encourage Americans to get their booster shot.

"I got my booster shot as soon as they were available," the President said, "and just the other day former President Trump announced he had gotten his booster shot."
"It may be one of the few things he and I agree on," Biden added. "People with booster shots are highly protected. Join them, join us."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/21/politics/biden-covid-omicron-free-at-home-tests/index.html

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2586 on: December 21, 2021, 07:19:10 pm »

[I inadverently posted this in the Bear Pit. I'm reposting the section focussed on the Covid-19 vaccine]

The bottom line is that scientists dealt a crooked hand with J&J.  They deceived the public about its effectiveness.   Their oversight was deficient. They allowed a bad product to be fostered on an ignorant  public killing a lot of people. 

J&J and AstraZeneca are essentially the same vaccine. 50,000,000 in the UK received the AstraZeneca vaccine ( a 2-dose course v the single shot of the J&J vaccine) . Of the 50 million around 70 are believed to have died and of those, only 17 died from blood clots arising directly from complications induced by the vaccine. In the EU, vaccination was temporarily halted and then resumed but only for those below 60 years of age. It’s reasonably safe to assume that there’s at least another 50,000,000 on top of the UK figure. The US death toll seems to match the UK percentages.

17 dead out of 50 million. and the kink in the armour has probably been discovered:
Covid: Trigger of rare blood clots with AstraZeneca jab found by scientists

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By virtue of a fortunate coincidence, The Economist has just published an article on the subject:
The triumph of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine

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The triumph of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine
Despite setbacks, the jab has probably saved more lives than any other.

... The surge of deliveries in the second half of 2021 is the flipside of AstraZeneca’s struggles in the first. The firm worked with partners to establish 25 manufacturing facilities in 15 countries. Its vaccines are made to a formula detailing just about everything that can be controlled in a production facility. ...


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Apologies, I'm obliged to delete the fuller quote and chart due to copyright restrictions.
Clicking on the link above should give guest access.



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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2587 on: December 21, 2021, 07:31:39 pm »

J&J and AstraZeneca are essentially the same vaccine.

Are you confident that characterization is accurate?  I understand that both the Janssen and AstraZeneca vaccines use an adenovirus vector, but are their genetic payloads really the same?

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« Reply #2588 on: December 21, 2021, 07:54:06 pm »

Are you confident that characterization is accurate?  I understand that both the Janssen and AstraZeneca vaccines use an adenovirus vector, but are their genetic payloads really the same?

No, I'm not which is why I wrote 'essentially'. They J&J and AstraZeneca are, for practical purposes, grouped in the same family as are the Moderna and Pfizer, mRNA vaccines. For the general public (and I include myself in that group) they'll differentiate between J&J/AZ and Pfizer/Moderna but seldom within the 'family', albeit that Moderna is currently the preferred booster for combatting Omicron.

My companion has just returned from the UK where she had to fly to to get her booster shot - she expected Pfizer, got Moderna - all outside her control,  and that on top of an initial 2-jab AZ.

The walk-in vaccination centres are full to the brink , queues extending around several blocks, waiting times (in the cold, fog and rain) often exceeding 4/5 hours and many being told at the end of the day to 'go home, try again tomorrow'. It really is pot luck.
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« Reply #2589 on: December 22, 2021, 09:21:52 am »

In the UK vaccinations are a mix of prebooked and walk in. Obviously prebooked are first queue. Yesterday there were just short of 1 million jabs given, of which 897,000 were boosters/third jabs. There is a real drive to get jabs in arms.
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« Reply #2590 on: December 22, 2021, 09:24:30 am »

Hospitalizations are not as prominent with Omicron.  80% vs 20% and less severe if hospitalized by 70%.

South African study suggests lower risk of hospitalisation with Omicron versus Delta
However, the study found that people who were hospitalised with Omicron in October-November were 70% less likely to develop severe disease than those admitted with Delta between April and November.
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/safrica-study-suggests-lower-risk-hospitalisation-with-omicron-versus-delta-2021-12-22/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/omicron-has-80-lower-risk-of-hospitalization-new-study-shows

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« Reply #2591 on: December 22, 2021, 09:33:12 am »

No, I'm not which is why I wrote 'essentially'. They J&J and AstraZeneca are, for practical purposes, grouped in the same family as are the Moderna and Pfizer, mRNA vaccines. For the general public (and I include myself in that group) they'll differentiate between J&J/AZ and Pfizer/Moderna but seldom within the 'family', albeit that Moderna is currently the preferred booster for combatting Omicron.

My companion has just returned from the UK where she had to fly to to get her booster shot - she expected Pfizer, got Moderna - all outside her control,  and that on top of an initial 2-jab AZ.

The walk-in vaccination centres are full to the brink , queues extending around several blocks, waiting times (in the cold, fog and rain) often exceeding 4/5 hours and many being told at the end of the day to 'go home, try again tomorrow'. It really is pot luck.

Here in the USA, nationwide pharmacies like CVS and Walgreens are giving appts within a week. You schedule them on-line. I called my local independent pharmacy here in central New Jersey and walked in to get the Moderna shot to match my first two shots.  No appt necessary.  It all took about 15 minutes including filling out the forms. They made me wait ten minutes though before leaving in case I passed out, a pleasant caution.  :o They were offering Pfizer as well.  Not sure about others. 

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« Reply #2592 on: December 22, 2021, 01:18:16 pm »

1 hr 47 min ago:
UK reports more than 100,000 daily Covid-19 cases for the first time since pandemic began.
What a relief that the LuLa virologist has confirmed that "now that Covid is on the way out..."
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« Reply #2593 on: December 22, 2021, 03:29:47 pm »

Another update from Your Local Epidemiologist website run by epidemiologist Katelyn Jetelina. Well worth reading in its entirety. A number of graphs and a great deal of good information.

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/omicron-update-dec-22

Just a few excerpts below:

Omicron Update: Dec 22

Well, Omicron continues to show its colors across the globe with case rates surging far beyond what we've seen with any previous waves, like in Denmark and the UK. Other countries, like France, the United States, and Canada have a recent explosion of cases pointing to the beginning of their Omicron wave. Places that put in country-wide restrictions, like the Netherlands and Germany, have altered their Omicron path thus far...

...Omicron became the dominant variant in just two short weeks and now accounts for more than 73% of cases in the United States now. By next week Omicron could easily account for 100% of cases. Will Omicron completely overtake Delta or will Delta continue its path among some groups? We should get clarity on this soon.

With more Omicron will come more cases. The Northeast has, by far, the most cases right now. Washington DC is the leader (134 cases per 100,000) in which cases have increased 440% in the past two weeks. This is followed by New York City with 121 cases per 100K and a 342% increase...

...Nationwide hospitalizations are only up a modest 13% and deaths continue to remain “low” at 1,351 deaths per day. But severe disease patterns lag cases 3-4 weeks, so we will see what happens in a few weeks. While I expect an uptick, I certainly don’t think we will reach levels like we saw in the past thanks to our vaccines and adaptive immune systems. It’s noteworthy, though, that the first Omicron death was reported this week in Houston among a male aged 50-60 years old who previously recovered from COVID19. Do not rely on previous infections to get you through this Omicron wave.

See the link above to read more.

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« Reply #2594 on: December 22, 2021, 03:45:09 pm »

Another update from Your Local Epidemiologist website run by epidemiologist Katelyn Jetelina. Well worth reading in its entirety. A number of graphs and a great deal of good information.

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/omicron-update-dec-22

Just a few excerpts below:

Omicron Update: Dec 22

Well, Omicron continues to show its colors across the globe with case rates surging far beyond what we've seen with any previous waves, like in Denmark and the UK. Other countries, like France, the United States, and Canada have a recent explosion of cases pointing to the beginning of their Omicron wave. Places that put in country-wide restrictions, like the Netherlands and Germany, have altered their Omicron path thus far...

...Omicron became the dominant variant in just two short weeks and now accounts for more than 73% of cases in the United States now. By next week Omicron could easily account for 100% of cases. Will Omicron completely overtake Delta or will Delta continue its path among some groups? We should get clarity on this soon.

With more Omicron will come more cases. The Northeast has, by far, the most cases right now. Washington DC is the leader (134 cases per 100,000) in which cases have increased 440% in the past two weeks. This is followed by New York City with 121 cases per 100K and a 342% increase...

...Nationwide hospitalizations are only up a modest 13% and deaths continue to remain “low” at 1,351 deaths per day. But severe disease patterns lag cases 3-4 weeks, so we will see what happens in a few weeks. While I expect an uptick, I certainly don’t think we will reach levels like we saw in the past thanks to our vaccines and adaptive immune systems. It’s noteworthy, though, that the first Omicron death was reported this week in Houston among a male aged 50-60 years old who previously recovered from COVID19. Do not rely on previous infections to get you through this Omicron wave.

See the link above to read more.


Good report.  Just some added information about the guy who died of Omicron in Texas.

The death reported this afternoon was of a man between the ages of 50-60 years old who was
unvaccinated and had been infected with COVID-19 previously. The individual was at higher risk of
severe complications from COVID-19 due to his unvaccinated status and had underlying health
conditions.

https://publichealth.harriscountytx.gov/Portals/27/Documents/HCPH%20Reports%20First%20Omicron%20Related%20Death%20sm.pdf?ver=oK77qT2qjHEIryPPhgBoog%3d%3d

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« Reply #2595 on: December 22, 2021, 04:05:41 pm »

Reliable and credible sources of information are always important in attempting to understand anything.
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« Reply #2596 on: December 22, 2021, 04:46:50 pm »

1 hr 47 min ago:
UK reports more than 100,000 daily Covid-19 cases for the first time since pandemic began.
What a relief that the LuLa virologist has confirmed that "now that Covid is on the way out..."

Covid is on the way out.  No one really cares anymore.  Sure, there are places that have shut down some venues. But people are just moving on expecting their lives to continue; not isolating.  Omicron does not seem that dangerous to most.  We'll probably all get it, or at least most of us.  Air travel is up to two million the same as it was before the pandemic.  People are getting on with the holidays, Christmas and New Year.  We are not going to repeat the isolation we did before, so yes, Covid is on its way out. 

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« Reply #2597 on: December 22, 2021, 04:48:20 pm »

Covid is on the way out.  No one really cares anymore.
Worth pointing out again:
"I doubt you can understand the magnitude of the stupidity in your statement". - Robert Jordan, The Gathering Storm

Today: UK reports more than 100,000 daily Covid-19 cases for the first time since pandemic began.
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« Reply #2598 on: December 22, 2021, 05:08:02 pm »

Air travel is up to two million the same as it was before the pandemic.  People are getting on with the holidays, Christmas and New Year.  We are not going to repeat the isolation we did before, so yes, Covid is on its way out.
"If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."-Bertrand Russell
This is true for those who may be doing follish things like traveling and those saying Covid is on the way out.
You are of course entitled to your uninformed opinions on this subject. As I am entitled to my fact based data points.
Today: UK reports more than 100,000 daily Covid-19 cases for the first time since pandemic began. NO. Covid is NOT on its way out.
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« Reply #2599 on: December 22, 2021, 05:20:19 pm »

"If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."-Bertrand Russell
This is true for those who may be doing follish things like traveling and those saying Covid is on the way out.
You are of course entitled to your uninformed opinions on this subject. As I am entitled to my fact based data points.
Today: UK reports more than 100,000 daily Covid-19 cases for the first time since pandemic began. NO. Covid is NOT on its way out.
The Atlantic, a liberal magazine, seems to agree with me, not you.  It feels strange having the left on my right side.  But it's nice they're coming around to my way of thinking.  :)

Omicron Is the Beginning of the End
Despite skyrocketing caseloads, few pundits or politicians are proposing strict measures to slow the virus’s spread. The appetite for shutdowns or other large-scale social interventions simply isn’t there. This means that we have effectively given up on “slowing the spread” or “flattening the curve.” To a much greater degree than during previous waves, we have quietly decided to throw up our hands.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/omicron-end-of-pandemic/621089/
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