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« Reply #17860 on: February 24, 2026, 12:52:57 pm »

You can always invent a distraction when you really need one!

One way of winning an argument is to distract the person from the real point, leading them up the garden path of a side issue or something completely irrelevant to the real subject. The main argument may thus never reach a logical conclusion, especially if agreeing with the side issue can substitute for the real agreement.

Appeal to Authority: Referencing an 'expert'.
Appeal to Emotion: If it feels good, it must be true.
Appeal to Ridicule: Mocking the other person's claim.
Attack the Person: Distracting them from their argument.
Complex Question: two questions, one answer allowed.
Conspiracy Theory: Reframe refutation as further proof.
False Compromise: Extreme views are wrong. The middle way is right.
False Effect: A is assumed to cause B. B is proven wrong, so A is wrong.
False Dilemma: Choice is A or B. Rejecting A is selecting B.
Insignificance: Making a minor cause seem major.
Many Questions: overloading them with lots of questions.
Poisoning the Well: Discrediting the person before they speak.
Red Herring: Distracting with an irrelevancy.
Reductio ad Absurdum: A false X is silly, so X is true.
Repetition: Repeating something makes it more true.
Strawman: Attack a weak argument used by the other person.
Style over Substance: An attractive presentation makes it more right.

In my view, the development of alternative energy supplies should focus on nuclear technology, and the improvement of batteries that don't rely upon expensive and limited resources.
Hopefully, windmills and solar farms will eventually be replaced with nuclear power, because they are a blight on the environment, killing birds, using huge areas of land, and creating huge waste recycling problems at the end of their lifespan.

Hopefully? So we’ve seen: yes, windmills and solar farms are not a blight on the environment, kill relatively few birds, and do not create huge waste-recycling problems at the end of their currently young lifespans: both solar and windmills can be recycled. So much for that distraction-based opinion based on insufficient data. Windmill and Solar production are the least expensive means to generate true renewable energy. They take the least time to construct. Those are cold, hard facts.

Summary of Economic Factors:
"The main barrier is that the cost of dismantling, transporting, and separating materials often exceeds the value of the materials that are recovered. While technology is advancing to make this more feasible, currently, many of these items require specialized, expensive processes to avoid being landfilled."

Indeed, the main barrier (distraction). With nuclear. While proponents argue it makes nuclear energy more sustainable, it is currently more costly than using fresh uranium. While reducing high-level waste volume and enhancing energy security, it is technically complex, expensive, and poses proliferation risks!

But for Ray, Nuclear is the winning method, despite the recycling barrier, the costs, and the time to build, and that lovely, nasty radioactive waste. Oh, and the cost barrier distraction of transmission lines, according to Ray. Oh, and the bird distraction? Bird deaths associated with nuclear power occur through two primary pathways:
•Collisions Birds may collide with structures at the power plant itself, such as elevated cooling towers.
• Uranium Mining Impacts The mining of uranium for fuel can create contaminated water bodies (pit lakes) high in elements like selenium, which can poison and kill hundreds of aquatic birds. Yeah, like Wind generation, minutia, and a distraction. Take that seriously? Not I folks. 

FWIW, I am not anti-nuclear energy if done safely, cost-effectively, and quickly. Compared to Wind and Solar + BESS, it's not there by a mile.

Hopefully, Ray's readers will notice that nuclear energy is vastly more expensive to build a facility, takes far longer to build, produces waste that, while it can also be recycled, is expensive, and that good ol' proliferation issue. Sure makes wind turbines look attractive.

Not sure about Ray, but I can tell you that over the past 12 years, I've generated more clean, renewable energy with my solar system than I've used, sending the excess back to my neighbors. I wonder if Ray gets any of his power otherwise, has a cat, a home with glass windows (people with glass houses shouldn't throw rocks), powerlines nearby, or is pleased that studies indicate nuclear power generation is significantly lower than that of fossil fuel power generation and many common non-energy-related human activities.
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« Reply #17861 on: February 24, 2026, 01:37:03 pm »

He finds a way to blame the fake news media, as usual. That one has gotten old. I assume he's going to try and fire that general.
It is all about distractions. Funny how that popped up in our forums yet again <G>. Anything but Epstein is the goal, however:

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The Department of Justice “appears to have illegally withheld FBI interviews” with a survivor of sex predator Jeffrey Epstein, who had also accused President Donald Trump “of heinous crimes,” Rep. Robert Garcia said on Tuesday.

Garcia’s statement comes after reports that FBI interviews with that accuser were not viewable on the DOJ’s database of millions of files related to Epstein that were made public after a federal law was passed by Congress mandating their disclosure.

“For the last few weeks, Oversight Democrats have been investigating the FBI’s handling of allegations from 2019 of sexual assault on a minor made against President Donald Trump by a survivor,” Garcia, D-Calif., said in a statement.

“Yesterday, I reviewed unredacted evidence logs at the Department of Justice. Oversight Democrats can confirm that the DOJ appears to have illegally withheld FBI interviews with this survivor who accused President Trump of heinous crimes,” said Garcia, who is the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

“Oversight Democrats will open a parallel investigation into this.”
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« Reply #17862 on: February 24, 2026, 01:52:34 pm »

I also got a kick out of this https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8d5eg5pl34o. I didn't realize who the US ambassador to France is. Turns out he's a convicted and pardoned (by Trump) in-law fraudster. He made some dumbass comments about internal French politics that didn't sit well with his hosts. I guess he never read his job description. The US ambassador to Canada should take note.

JD Vance had some choice words to say about SCOTUS, calling them "lawless", https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5748269-vance-supreme-court-tariff-ruling/. Is he capable of irony? It could be that all these clowns actually believe that the Prez can do anything he wants. Maybe Trump watched the mini-series Versailles and got jealous.
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« Reply #17863 on: February 24, 2026, 03:20:45 pm »

To file under "She's my mother.... she's my sister.... she's my mother:

Trump's global tariff takes effect at 10%, despite announcement of 15%
The back-and-forth underscores the uncertainty of Trump's tariffs, which is once again causing confusion with markets, trading partners and businesses large and small.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-global-tariff-start-10-percent-despite-announcement-15-percent-rcna260369

But then it IS TACO Tuesday.  :D
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« Reply #17864 on: February 24, 2026, 07:42:04 pm »

Nope, only more examples of your distraction techniques. NO one said no birds are killed by wind turbines. It's minutia. It's tiny compared to the ways birds are killed by humans (and cats!). YOU brought up bird deaths as objections to wind generation of electricity, which is ridiculous for someone who apparently has no issue with power lines, cats, buildings, and other attributes that kill far more birds than wind turbines. It is what is called a weak, straw man argument, and again, why so many of your readers don't take your writings seriously! Like your last comment on LCOE method does not include the cost of constructing 'long-distance transmission lines. Of course it doesn't, nor should it! The cost to generate electricity from Solar/Wind or Nuclear still requires long-distance transmission lines and the land needed to host them. It has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of building the facilities, a cost that DOES affect the fees we pay for the electricity. I don’t know if you are purposely trying not to understand this or just struggling with it. This addition of long-distance transmission lines is yet another example of your inability to stay on topic, to pay attention to apples-to-apples cost comparisons, and to avoid regurgitating distractions in the hope that your readers will take you seriously: failure, sir.

Wow! Amazing! Whilst it's true that the actual cost of only building the Solar/Wind or Nuclear facilities has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of building essential transmission lines, the purpose of building the Solar/Wind or Nuclear facilities has absolutely everything to do with the transmission lines.

No transmission lines equates to no supply of electricity which equates to 'zero purpose' to build the facilities. Even a 10 year old child should understand that.

Here's an overview from www.aemc.gov.au and www.ScienceDirect.com

"Long transmission lines significantly impact the true cost of electricity, often adding billions in capital expenditure and increasing the levelized cost of energy (LCOE) by requiring 5% to 8% more generation to cover line losses. Recent projects show costs exceeding million dollars per kilometer, making long-distance infrastructure a major, often underestimated, driver of consumer electricity prices.

Key impacts on the true cost of electricity include:
Massive Capital Investment: New, long-distance transmission projects are capital-intensive, frequently costing upwards of billions, with costs often experiencing significant blowouts.

Losses in Transmission: Roughly 5% to 8% of generated electricity is lost as heat during transmission, meaning more capacity must be built to deliver the same amount of power.

High Transmission-to-Generation Ratio: For renewable energy projects located far from load centers, transmission costs can sometimes make up a significant portion of the total delivered cost of energy.

Increased System Costs: A system reliant on long-distance transmission for renewables may have a higher total system cost than one with local generation, despite lower fuel costs.

Comparative Disadvantage: Electrical transmission is often 8 to 50 times more expensive than pipelines for other energy carriers (like hydrogen or gas), making long-distance electricity transport a costly option.
Long-distance lines to connect remote renewable energy sources to cities have increased the impact of transmission on the final electricity price. "


Regarding Nuclear facilities, whilst it's true that they are usually not as close to city and urban areas as coal and gas facilities, they are still much closer than most wind and solar farms.

From the Nuclear Energy Institute:

"Nuclear power plants are often located much closer to cities than large-scale wind and solar farms. Nuclear reactors are frequently sited within 50 miles of major metropolitan areas to minimize transmission losses, as a single plant can provide power for a vast urban area. Conversely, wind and solar farms require vast, open, and often remote areas to capture resources, making them less suited to being near city centers.

Utility-scale solar and wind projects are frequently installed in rural or remote areas, often far from major cities, because they require 30–360 times more land than nuclear plants for the same energy output. A 1,000 MW nuclear plant may only need 1.3 square miles, while a comparable wind farm could take up hundreds of square miles."


A note to all 10 year-olds. Don't worry about a future catastrophic climate change cause by CO2 emissions. The powers that be are just trying to install fear in you, in order to control you.  ;)



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« Reply #17865 on: February 24, 2026, 07:54:15 pm »

Wow! Amazing! Whilst it's true that the actual cost of only building the Solar/Wind or Nuclear facilities has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of building essential transmission lines, the purpose of building the Solar/Wind or Nuclear facilities has absolutely everything to do with the transmission lines.
Wow! Amazing! The cost to build roads and highways has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of building essential cars and trucks, either. But you can't drive cars or trucks very far without highways and streets. Oh and highway and street lights..... Thank you once again for distracting from the actual costs of Solar/Wind and Nuclear energy, as so many of us expected you to do. 

Onto batteries: SCIENCE FEB 23, 2026 - The US Had a Big Battery Boom Last Year
The US added a record-breaking amount of energy storage in 2025, according to a new solar industry report published Monday. In 2025, according to the SEIA report, the US installed 57 gigawatt hours of new energy storage to the grid, with new installations growing almost 30 percent over the year before. The report predicts that the market could jump another 21 percent by the end of this year, increasing by an additional 70 gigawatt hours in 2026 alone. These are monster numbers compared to less than a decade ago, when there was about half a gigawatt of storage on the grid in total. One of the big renewable energy success stories of the moment is Texas, where solar met more than 15 percent of demand throughout the summer, beating out coal for the first time. The SEIA report predicts that Texas will overtake California this year to become the US state with the most gigawatt hours of storage deployed. While batteries and solar are proving a killer combination in places like Texas, the majority of battery installations last year, the SEIA report found, were stand-alone ones not connected to specific solar projects. The growth of stand-alone storage is a good sign for grids that are increasingly stressed by skyrocketing demand.

On an average day, energy grids around the US use only about 50 percent of the energy available to them. This underutilization is by design; the grid needs a large amount of capacity for days when demand is at its peak. Installing batteries at all levels of the grid is one way to take advantage of the extra energy that’s not used during off-peak days so that it doesn’t go to waste. “The only way to really get more out of the grid that we've already paid for is to put batteries on both sides of the grid,” says Shah. “When the grid is underutilized, we use it more by charging batteries. And then we use those batteries to reduce those peaks that happen two to three hundred hours a year.”

More here: https://www.wired.com/story/the-us-had-a-big-battery-boom-last-year/
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« Reply #17866 on: February 24, 2026, 08:18:40 pm »

Even with just an iPhone, Solar is beautiful! Taken moments ago,
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« Reply #17867 on: February 24, 2026, 10:22:07 pm »

Electrical transmission line construction costs vary widely based on voltage, location, and type, generally ranging from $100,000 to over $5 million per mile for overhead lines. Let's use 5 million dollars per mile.

The Topaz Solar Farm* in San Luis Obispo County, California, cost $ 2.5 billion. It is one of the world's largest solar farms. Let's double that for fun, $5 billion dollars. Not a chance that happened; it did cost $2.5 billion.

The latest nuclear reactors built in the U.S. (Vogtle Units 3 and 4 in Georgia, completed 2023–2024) cost over $35 billion. Originally estimated at $14 billion, the project saw significant delays and overruns opps. Like that never happens <g>.

Let’s add a mere $5 billion to the price tag of the Topaz Solar farm JUST for transmission lines. That would buy us 1000 miles of transmission lines.  By all means, don't add any money for transmission lines for any nuclear reactors; we'll kick that in as a freebie. And when done, we'd have how many billion dollars left over on this solar farm, Ray?
Oh, and the LCOE of the Topaz Solar Farm continues to be vastly lower than that of any nuclear reactor built in the U.S., and again, I'm not anti-nuclear reactor; the damn things are way too expensive. Vogtle Units 3 and 4 in Georgia, completed 2023–2024 PROVE that fact.

The math proves again why somebody here shouldn't be taken seriously!
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topaz_Solar_Farm
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« Reply #17868 on: February 25, 2026, 01:27:40 am »

Wow! Amazing! The cost to build roads and highways has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of building essential cars and trucks, either. But you can't drive cars or trucks very far without highways and streets. Oh and highway and street lights..... Thank you once again for distracting from the actual costs of Solar/Wind and Nuclear energy, as so many of us expected you to do. 

Wow! How can you make such a false comparison?  ;D

You can drive vehicles, including trucks, if there are no roads, and you can drive them far, depending on the type of terrain and the design of the vehicle. Haven't you heard of 'All Terrain Vehicles'?  ;D

Here are some examples, to educate a 10-year-old.

"Heavy-Duty/Extreme Off-Road:
Mercedes-Benz Unimog: Known for extreme off-road capability, featuring portal axles, high fording capability (up to 1.2m), and a twistable chassis.
Tatra Trucks: Feature a unique chassis design (central load-carrying tube) for extreme terrain, used in mining and defense.
Scania P450XT 6x6: Designed for heavy-duty, off-road applications.
4x4 Work/Expedition Trucks:
Isuzu NPS 4x4 & FSS/FTS: Popular, durable, and reliable trucks often used for mining or customized into campers.
Fuso Canter 4x4: A versatile, rugged light truck with a low-range gearbox and locking hubs.
Iveco Daily 4x4 & Eurocargo 4x4: Specialized off-road trucks.
OKA: An Australian-made off-road truck.
Off-Road Pickups & SUVs:
Ford F-150 Raptor & Ranger: Equipped with terrain management systems for high-speed desert running and rock crawling.
Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series: A legendary 4WD known for durability in rugged conditions.
Ram 2500 Power Wagon: A heavy-duty truck designed for serious off-roading.
Jeep Wrangler/Rubicon: A versatile, highly customizable off-road vehicle."


Of course it's much safer and easier to drive cars on roads, which is why we build roads.
However, the cost of operating, or using a car, is also related to the cost of building and maintaining all roads which, in most countries is mainly funded by Road taxes, Fuel excise and Registration fees, with the exception of a few  wealthy oil-producing nations such as the United Arab Emirates, which funds road construction and maintenance directly through general government revenue rather than specific user taxes.

In summary, windmills and solar farms cannot transmit the electricity they produce over long distances without the construction of expensive power lines, whereas an all-terrain car, or truck, can travel long distances without roads. Here's an example.

"As of April 2025, the Guinness World Record for the longest continuous off-road journey is 1,480 kilometers (approximately 920 miles).
This record was achieved by a team in South Africa using a Nissan Navara Warrior Ute (pick-up truck) traveling through Namaqualand and the Richtersveld.
Key details of this record-setting, off-road, and fully unsealed journey include:
Duration: The journey was continuous and completed without any major mechanical issues or tyre failures.
Terrain: The route consisted of challenging terrain, including mountains, rocky valleys, sandy paths, and riverbeds.
Restrictions: The rules stipulated that the journey must be completed without touching a single man-made, paved road."


The LCOE claims that electricity from solar and wind is cheaper and more efficient than electricity from burning fossil fuels, is very deceptive, if they don't include the cost of essential power lines, and other essential costs.

Here's a summary of their deception, from CSIRO, and ScienceDirect.com

While Levelised Cost of Energy (LCOE) is a common benchmark for comparing power sources, it primarily measures the average cost of building and operating a single generation asset over its lifetime. It does not account for several essential system-wide and temporal factors that are critical for wind and solar due to their intermittent nature.

The following essential factors are typically excluded from traditional LCOE calculations:

Grid Integration and Balancing Costs: LCOE ignores the costs of upgrading transmission infrastructure (poles and wires) to connect remote wind and solar sites to the grid. It also excludes grid balancing costs—the expenses incurred by grid operators to manage frequency and voltage stability as intermittent supply fluctuates.

Storage and Backup (Firming): It does not include the cost of battery storage, pumped hydro, or "backup" fossil fuel plants (like natural gas) required to maintain a reliable 24/7 electricity supply when the sun isn't shining or the wind isn't blowing.

Time-Varying Value of Energy: LCOE assumes every megawatt-hour produced has the same value. In reality, solar often produces excess energy during the day when demand may be low, leading to "generation devaluation" or negative prices, which LCOE does not reflect.

Dispatchability and Flexibility: It fails to value a generator's ability to ramp up or down quickly in response to market demand. Wind and solar are generally non-dispatchable; they produce power based on weather conditions rather than grid needs.

Externalities and Social Costs: Traditional LCOE often omits non-monetary impacts such as land use requirements, environmental damage from material extraction, end-of-life disposal/decommissioning, and human health costs related to emissions.

System-Level Overbuild: To meet high demand in deeply decarbonised systems, wind and solar capacity often must be "overbuilt" to account for low-generation periods. LCOE focuses on individual plants and ignores the total system cost of this excess capacity.

To address these gaps, alternative metrics like Value-Adjusted LCOE (VALCOE), Levelised Avoided Cost of Energy (LACE), or System LCOE (SLCOE) are often used to provide a more comprehensive view of total system costs.


Hope I've dispelled your confusion.  ;)
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« Reply #17869 on: February 25, 2026, 09:13:39 am »

Wow! How can you make such a false comparison?  ;
The math is undeniable.
Number of nuclear reactors that came online in the US last year: zero.In fact, around the world, more gigawatts’ worth of nuclear reactors were retired than turned on that year, according to new data from the consultancy BloombergNEF.

Wind and Solar:A recent analysis of planned projects indicates that the US will see another 43 GW of solar capacity added in 2026—far more than the 27 GW added in 2025. That will be joined by 12 GW of wind power, with over 10 percent of that coming from two of the offshore wind projects that the administration has repeatedly failed to block.

For over a decade, renewables have been the undisputed cost champions, with solar PV and onshore wind LCOE plummeting by 77% and 58% respectively since 2014 thanks to technological innovation and scale economies. By 2024, solar power was 41% cheaper than the cheapest fossil fuel alternative, and onshore wind 53% lower, a trend that promised to accelerate in 2025. 2025 is a reality check for the energy transition. Renewables can no longer rely on cost declines alone to drive adoption, and battery prices will not fall indefinitely without sustained innovation. But the core truth remains unchanged: clean energy is the only viable path to a stable climate and energy security.
https://www.energycentral.com/energy-biz/post/lcoe-in-2025-renewables-slowdown-and-the-uncertain-future-of-battery-RMTCp6RAzpNNLqs

Pay attention to the facts as they are, not as you wish them to be, as facts remain true regardless of whether they are acknowledged or not.

Doubt I've dispelled your mathematical confusions.  ;)

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« Reply #17870 on: February 25, 2026, 09:25:37 am »


However, the cost of operating, or using a car, is also related to the cost of building and maintaining all roads which, in most countries is mainly funded by Road taxes, Fuel excise and Registration fees, with the exception of a few  wealthy oil-producing nations such as the United Arab Emirates, which funds road construction and maintenance directly through general government revenue rather than specific user taxes.

Road infrastructure is paid for by general revenues. Road taxes, what's that? I've never heard of road taxes, except for a few toll roads and bridges. It's a made-up concept. Just one article on the subject https://www.patrickjohnstone.ca/2014/03/who-pays-for-roads.html, the interweb is full of similar articles.

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« Reply #17871 on: February 25, 2026, 09:36:56 am »

It's a made-up concept.
Yet another distraction technique.
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« Reply #17872 on: February 25, 2026, 09:48:22 am »

Yet more evidence of an absurd and utterly wrong distraction statement about LCOE:

Storage and Backup (Firming): It does not include the cost of battery storage, pumped hydro, or "backup" fossil fuel plants (like natural gas) required to maintain a reliable 24/7 electricity supply when the sun isn't shining or the wind isn't blowing.
And both 'issues' here are addressed with BESS (batteries), NO assumptions necessary, a reality adjusted with LCOE as presented here:
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Time-Varying Value of Energy: LCOE assumes every megawatt-hour produced has the same value. In reality, solar often produces excess energy during the day when demand may be low, leading to "generation devaluation" or negative prices, which LCOE does not reflect.

Dispatchability and Flexibility: It fails to value a generator's ability to ramp up or down quickly in response to market demand. Wind and solar are generally* non-dispatchable; they produce power based on weather conditions rather than grid needs.
* nope, not even close! https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=64586
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« Reply #17873 on: February 25, 2026, 11:46:15 am »

Ray isn't the only one having math issues. Trump had plenty of whoppers last night that the fact-checkers saw, this one is too funny:

CLAIM: “I took prescription drugs, a very big part of health care, from the highest price in the entire world to the lowest. That’s a big achievement. The result is price differences of 300, 400, 500, 600% and more.”

THE FACTS: This is impossible. Although the Trump administration has taken steps to lower drug prices, cutting them by more than 100% would theoretically mean that people are being paid to take medications.
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« Reply #17874 on: February 25, 2026, 04:54:01 pm »

Excerpt From
“The State of the Union Revealed a Sad Reality” David Frum The Atlantic
“The speech turned reality on its head in many ways. The president who has enriched himself and his family by more than a billion dollars in his first year in office called on Congress to clean up its corruption. The president who has collected about $175 billion in illegal tariffs from the American people falsely told them that he had given them a great big tax cut. The president solemnly condemned political violence—the same president who ended his first term by inciting a mob to sack Congress and overturn an election. Maybe most shocking, Trump demanded that members of Congress rise to agree that it’s the first duty of government to protect American citizens—even as his own government by its brutal police methods has shot American citizens dead on the streets and then tried to deceive the country about how those Americans had been killed and why. “The most radical fantasy in the speech, though, was its claims of a new golden age of prosperity. That misstatement surely deceived nobody. Prices continue to rise; the job market stagnates. In almost every way that can be measured, Americans are communicating economic anxiety and discontent. Trump insisted that they are all wrong.”
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« Reply #17875 on: February 25, 2026, 07:51:04 pm »

Road infrastructure is paid for by general revenues. Road taxes, what's that? I've never heard of road taxes, except for a few toll roads and bridges. It's a made-up concept. Just one article on the subject https://www.patrickjohnstone.ca/2014/03/who-pays-for-roads.html, the interweb is full of similar articles.

Crikey! A 'road tax' is a general term for taxes which support the construction and maintenance of roads. In most countries, these taxes are in the form of 'vehicle registration' and 'fuel tax'.

If these 'road taxes' are not sufficient, as is often the case, then of course the additional money must come from general revenues.

Drivers of Electric vehicles do not contribute as much to road taxes because they don't use petrol and therefore don't pay the fuel tax. However, this problem is now being addressed in Australia which is considering a new 'road user charge' which will impose a tax on each kilometre driven, in order to ensure that all drivers contribute to road funding.
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« Reply #17876 on: February 25, 2026, 08:11:50 pm »

The math is undeniable.
Number of nuclear reactors that came online in the US last year: zero.In fact, around the world, more gigawatts’ worth of nuclear reactors were retired than turned on that year, according to new data from the consultancy BloombergNEF.

Wind and Solar:A recent analysis of planned projects indicates that the US will see another 43 GW of solar capacity added in 2026—far more than the 27 GW added in 2025. That will be joined by 12 GW of wind power, with over 10 percent of that coming from two of the offshore wind projects that the administration has repeatedly failed to block.

For over a decade, renewables have been the undisputed cost champions, with solar PV and onshore wind LCOE plummeting by 77% and 58% respectively since 2014 thanks to technological innovation and scale economies. By 2024, solar power was 41% cheaper than the cheapest fossil fuel alternative, and onshore wind 53% lower, a trend that promised to accelerate in 2025. 2025 is a reality check for the energy transition. Renewables can no longer rely on cost declines alone to drive adoption, and battery prices will not fall indefinitely without sustained innovation. But the core truth remains unchanged: clean energy is the only viable path to a stable climate and energy security.
https://www.energycentral.com/energy-biz/post/lcoe-in-2025-renewables-slowdown-and-the-uncertain-future-of-battery-RMTCp6RAzpNNLqs

Pay attention to the facts as they are, not as you wish them to be, as facts remain true regardless of whether they are acknowledged or not.

Doubt I've dispelled your mathematical confusions.  ;)

Oh! Thank you for informing me. I've always been very puzzled why electricity prices have been so low in recent decades, and why industries are flourishing, and everyone is so happy about the cost of living.

Now I understand. It's because wind and solar have taken over the energy industries, because they are so much more efficient and less expensive than fossil fuels and nuclear. Wow!  ;)

Oops! I've just created a distraction. Who cares about the true cost of energy?  :D
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« Reply #17877 on: February 25, 2026, 08:31:16 pm »

Oh! Thank you for informing me. I've always been very puzzled...
Now we are in forceful agreement.  ;)
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It's because wind and solar have taken over the energy industries, because they are so much more efficient and less expensive than fossil fuels and nuclear. Wow!
Yes, exactly. The math is undeniable.
It appears that between your knowledge as a climate scientist and economist, you are often very puzzled...  ;)
Where could we see some photography? That might be a nice change for your readers.
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Who cares about the true cost of energy?
Those who have to pay to make the energy. Those who have to pay for the energy. But then, unlike you, sir, I only pay $12 a month for electricity for a home that is 100% electric.  👍
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« Reply #17878 on: February 25, 2026, 09:50:31 pm »

Electrical transmission line construction costs vary widely based on voltage, location, and type, generally ranging from $100,000 to over $5 million per mile for overhead lines. Let's use 5 million dollars per mile.

The Topaz Solar Farm* in San Luis Obispo County, California, cost $ 2.5 billion. It is one of the world's largest solar farms. Let's double that for fun, $5 billion dollars. Not a chance that happened; it did cost $2.5 billion.

The latest nuclear reactors built in the U.S. (Vogtle Units 3 and 4 in Georgia, completed 2023–2024) cost over $35 billion. Originally estimated at $14 billion, the project saw significant delays and overruns opps. Like that never happens <g>.

Let’s add a mere $5 billion to the price tag of the Topaz Solar farm JUST for transmission lines. That would buy us 1000 miles of transmission lines.  By all means, don't add any money for transmission lines for any nuclear reactors; we'll kick that in as a freebie. And when done, we'd have how many billion dollars left over on this solar farm, Ray?
Oh, and the LCOE of the Topaz Solar Farm continues to be vastly lower than that of any nuclear reactor built in the U.S., and again, I'm not anti-nuclear reactor; the damn things are way too expensive. Vogtle Units 3 and 4 in Georgia, completed 2023–2024 PROVE that fact.

The math proves again why somebody here shouldn't be taken seriously!
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topaz_Solar_Farm

Oh my gosh! What on earth is happening in the US? It's making so many mistakes.  :(

It would seem that the current high cost of building nuclear reactors in the US is mainly due to over-regulation and the long hiatus from 1978-2013 due to the Three Mile Island accident in 1979 which resulted in 'skill atrophy'.

South Korea is a good example of how nuclear power plants can provide much lower cost energy than solar and wind.

Here are the key reasons for South Korea's low-cost nuclear energy:

"Standardization (Nth-of-a-kind): South Korea avoids high costs associated with first-of-a-kind,, bespoke, or one-off, designs by building the same type of reactor, notably the APR-1400, repeatedly, allowing for learning-curve savings.

Continuous Build Program: A consistent, decades-long, nuclear construction program has maintained a robust supply chain and skilled workforce, preventing the "skill atrophy" seen in other nations.

Government Ownership and Oversight: The state-owned utility (KEPCO) manages the entire process, simplifying regulation, speeding up approvals, and reducing financing costs.

High-Capacity Factor: South Korean reactors operate at very high capacity factors, often over 90%, meaning they produce maximum output for longer, which reduces the cost per unit of electricity."



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« Reply #17879 on: February 25, 2026, 10:16:51 pm »

Oh my gosh! What on earth is happening in South Korea? It's making so many mistakes.  :(

2012–2013 Component Scandal: Thousands of parts in Yeonggwang Nuclear Power Plant were found to have faked safety warranties, leading to multiple reactor shutdowns and criminal prosecutions.
2012 Kori Shutdown: A severe loss of power incident at the Kori Nuclear Power Plant was covered up by engineers, later rated as an International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale (INES) level 2 incident.
2016 Earthquakes: Following a record earthquake, several reactors were shut down for safety inspections.
2025, a fatal accident occurred at a thermal power plant in Ulsan, South Korea, where a 60-meter boiler tower collapsed during demolition, leaving at least three workers dead and others trapped.
The 2025 incident highlights ongoing concerns regarding industrial safety in decommissioning projects, rather than active reactor safety.
2026, a small uranium hexafluoride gas leak occurred at a KEPCO plant in Daejeon.

Like good old USA: Solar Targets - South Korea has set ambitious goals to expand renewable energy, aiming for significantly higher solar capacity, including reaching 77.2 GW by 2038.
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