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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17380 on: November 07, 2025, 04:15:22 pm »

Every day, TDS in full view.

I agree with that but probably not in the sense that you mean it. But thanks for your input.

Btw, still no news on the dog eaters.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17382 on: November 07, 2025, 09:36:46 pm »

Every day, TDS in full view.

While we have your attention, I'd be interested in your opinion of this recent Trump pardon https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WoZIt7IsaOs.
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« Reply #17383 on: November 08, 2025, 03:51:15 pm »

While we have your attention, I'd be interested in your opinion of this recent Trump pardon https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WoZIt7IsaOs.
You really want to discuss presidential pardons? Right, I didn't think so.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17384 on: November 08, 2025, 03:58:12 pm »

You really want to discuss presidential pardons? Right, I didn't think so.

No, I don't know enough about them to discuss them. Do you?

I just wanted to hear your opinion of this one. If you don't want to give your opinion, that's ok.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17385 on: November 08, 2025, 05:41:18 pm »

Right, I didn't think so.

"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd".
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17386 on: November 09, 2025, 02:26:32 am »

No, I don't know enough about them to discuss them. Do you?

I just wanted to hear your opinion of this one. If you don't want to give your opinion, that's ok.
No, not interested to opine about one and only one presidential pardon that you picked and chose.
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« Reply #17387 on: November 09, 2025, 02:31:59 am »

"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd".
Bertrand Russell
Obviously you don't understand the subtlety of what I said: "You really want to discuss presidential pardons? Right, I didn't think so."
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17388 on: November 09, 2025, 08:32:18 am »

Obviously, you don't understand the subtlety of what I said: "You really want to discuss presidential pardons? Right, I didn't think so."
As many of your readers have demonstrated, everyone's right to be heard doesn’t automatically translate into their right to be taken seriously. 🤔
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« Reply #17389 on: November 09, 2025, 12:01:05 pm »

As many of your readers have demonstrated, everyone's right to be heard doesn’t automatically translate into their right to be taken seriously. 🤔
Yep, doesn't understand it.
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« Reply #17390 on: November 09, 2025, 03:47:23 pm »

Yep, doesn't understand it.
No doubt!

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17391 on: November 09, 2025, 07:47:37 pm »

No, not interested to opine about one and only one presidential pardon that you picked and chose.

No worries.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17392 on: November 10, 2025, 08:19:35 am »

No worries.
From the party of law and order:
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Trump grants pardons to Giuliani, Meadows, others linked to 2020 election efforts
The pardons include 77 allies tied to efforts to overturn the 2020 election, including Rudy Giuliani, former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, and former Trump attorney Sidney Powell.
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« Reply #17393 on: November 10, 2025, 11:32:20 am »

From the party of law and order:


You wouldn’t believe it: the political stench has drifted right across to the Mediterranean and infected other lands at the far end. Staying in power sure beats losing power and thus finally sitting in court, waiting for a verdict.

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« Reply #17394 on: November 10, 2025, 11:47:05 am »

From the party of law and order:
Still not getting it: "Obviously you don't understand the subtlety of what I said: "You really want to discuss presidential pardons? Right, I didn't think so.""
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« Reply #17395 on: November 10, 2025, 12:16:09 pm »

Still not getting it…
You're not.
“Sometimes our thoughts are backed with so much insecurity that they create lies we believe.” -Unknown
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« Reply #17396 on: November 10, 2025, 04:01:14 pm »

You're not.
“Sometimes our thoughts are backed with so much insecurity that they create lies we believe.” -Unknown
And it still eludes you. So sad.
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« Reply #17397 on: November 10, 2025, 09:15:20 pm »

So sad.
How sad it must be…
- believing that scientists, scholars, historians, economists, and journalists have devoted their entire lives to deceiving you. At the same time, a reality TV star with decades of fraud and exhaustively documented lying is your only beacon of truth and honesty.
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« Reply #17398 on: November 11, 2025, 07:44:37 am »


You wouldn’t believe it: the political stench has drifted right across to the Mediterranean and infected other lands at the far end. Staying in power sure beats losing power and thus finally sitting in court, waiting for a verdict.

The US presidential "pardon" is a complicated concept. From what I can tell, it doesn't require a previous conviction or even an indictment. It appears as if the prez can "pardon" someone whom they think a future prosecutor might accuse of anything (federal). That's more akin to granting a blanket immunity than pardoning. Also, it doesn't seem to be required to specify which transgressions they're being pardoned for, he just sort of hands out a generalized "get out of jail" card, good for any crime. There may be some subtlety in its application that I am misunderstanding of course.

There's a Wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_president_of_the_United_States) listing the pardons granted by US presidents. There are pdfs of the wording of the pardons and I took a look at a couple of them but the ones I saw seemed like boilerplate legalese, the kind you click "I agree" to when you "buy" software or subscribe to just about anything these days. I did not read an exhaustive selection because, really, it's all a pile of shite, isn't it.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17399 on: November 11, 2025, 07:54:09 am »


You wouldn’t believe it: the political stench has drifted right across to the Mediterranean and infected other lands at the far end. Staying in power sure beats losing power and thus finally sitting in court, waiting for a verdict.

One thing that the current continuing crisis has put the lie to is that the US "founding fathers" were wise old souls who set up a system that avoided too much power falling into any one person's hands, like a monarch for instance. I mean, the UK still has an actual monarch and he doesn't have much real power at all, so, insofar as that is concerned, the UK managed it better. Also, as in the case of African slaves, native American Indian tribes, and those who suffered in the Jim Crow and Trump's ICE eras, the US constitution is not much of a hook to hang your "freedom" onto. That is, there are a lot of loopholes, aren't there. Now, it could very well be that in time these wrongs will be rectified in some court judgement, which is nice I suppose. That will certainly make for some good photo ops outside the courtroom.
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