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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #16660 on: January 24, 2025, 10:23:53 pm »

Well Robert, it’s a commonly held idea in Europe that Americans don’t do irony. This may or may not be based on any valid research, but if American leaders are anything to go by, then the Europeans would appear to have a point.

Perhaps one such example of not recognising irony might be that in a country that prides itself on its bustling youth, it ended up with both Biden and Trump. They don’t usually get leaders as old as that in the “West”; I sure wouldn't be happy with anyone my age being top dog in any country as powerful as the US of A. I think this generation, of which I am unavoidably part, carries just too much baggage.

Trump has changed his mind on Chinese tariffs it seems. Gee, I wonder what happened.

The funniest headline I read today was Trump stating that Canadians want American health care during more musings about Canada becoming the 51st state. Yeah, buddy, that's what we want, really expensive health care with worse outcomes and insurance companies that turn down claims causing people to die. I mean, sure, who wouldn't want that. It's almost worth putting up with school shootings to have that.
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« Reply #16661 on: January 25, 2025, 02:10:57 pm »

SCOTUS ruled that the TikTok shutdown had to proceed. But Trump is stalling. That isn't kosher, is it? Shouldn't the Prez have to obey the law? Trouble is that same court gave him immunity, so what can anyone do to him. Are they in a bind?

Several online analysts claim that the meme coin thing he set up is a perfect conduit for bribes because it's opaque. But even if someone decoded the blockchain entries and showed exactly that, he's still immune isn't he?

I hope that I don't really understand what's going on.
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« Reply #16662 on: January 29, 2025, 07:25:07 am »

Trump decided to withhold emergency funds from California but there seems to be some legal dispute about that. The tacit assumption seems to be that he did that because he wants to punish California for not voting Republican maybe, but also California might fill some kind of proxy role as an evil place. (I remember seeing clips of the evangelist Jimmy Lee Swaggart treat Sweden the same way. I remember his verbal sneer when saying the word 'Sweden' as if saying the word might summon satan. It was as stupid as it sounds.) It seems to me that there isn't enough outrage about these actions by Trump. Do people think it's ok to withhold disaster relief. It's not Trump's money, California taxpayers contributed to those relief funds. And what about the people in California who did vote for him?

The thing is, if this action is not enough to disgust everyone, then what action will be? The money wasn't going to find its way to some foreign country, it was going to be spent in the US on Americans.

I see his stormtroopers are arresting and deporting ordinary folks, not just criminals like they said they would do. There's a lot of imagery to accompany these actions, so being a cynic I assume that many of the scenes are staged for propaganda purposes. I can imagine the directorial decisions, 'Naw, let's use this footage, the guy's skin is darker, will look better on TV.'  Is this too cynical of me?

Organized crime is ignored, biker gangs roll on, Fintech steals deposits from people, crypto scammers continue, but let's deport some carpenters because they're the real danger.

So what action will cross the line enough to disgust the average American? It will be interesting to find out. Trump won't hesitate to cross that line, I'm sure. He's disinclined to moderation and the Supreme Court has said he's immune anyway. And he doesn't have to worry about votes anymore, he doesn't need the voters' future support, there's no need to cater to their sensibilities.

Meanwhile, he's talking about Iron Dome and wanting warriors in the armed forces, as if the US were at war. As if the US has existential security concerns that need to be addressed. It's useful to have an external enemy, helps distract the great unwashed. The thing is, there is a real Russian/Ukraine war that should concern him and he seems to be mostly ignoring it. Why? All this is being done out in the open and millions are falling for the show.

Trump keeps threatening various countries with tariffs, new one every day it seems. That can only work for so long. Sooner or later all those countries that are threatened every day unless they do what he says will decide it's better to cut ties with the US, because nobody likes to be jerked around. Cutting ties to the US will cost a lot for many countries, but it may be cheaper for them in the long run. Mutual cooperation is of course the better route, history has shown that many times over, but if the US thinks otherwise, that's their prerogative. Many Americans claim to be isolationists. Well, okay. I mean, Brexit really worked out well, didn't it.

There's a point of view that's being normalized in the "media", that the US is tired of footing the bill for policing the world, blaming other countries. The US has over 700 military bases in over 110 countries (last statistic I saw). The US did that because it wanted to, it suited their purpose, let's not pretend otherwise. There are of course many countries that got used to that and neglected their own preparedness, my own included. That can be rectified, but will the US close those bases?
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« Reply #16663 on: January 29, 2025, 12:16:04 pm »

The latest farce, that I'm aware of, is that Trump wants to deport American criminals. His reasoning seems to be that it will be cheaper to stash them in foreign prisons, because private prisons in the US are too expensive. That was an interesting remark. I thought the reason for privatizing prisons was to cut costs, because, you know, anything run by a private company is going to be cheaper.

But I'm too critical and too often only look at the negative. Two good outcomes since Trump has come to power are that foreigners have stopped eating pet dogs and that US elections are no longer rigged.
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« Reply #16664 on: January 31, 2025, 05:37:27 pm »

Why does he want to pick a fight with Canada? Is it a ploy, the intent to reduce Canada to penury, then come to its rescue by offering it U.S. statehood? (I can’t see that intent ever being behind the hatred for Mexico, but if it has anything to do with narcotics, then surely the trick is to enforce lack of U.S. demand for that shit?) Yes, from the new Gulf of America to the wider Arctic, such a great temptation to have it all American. Kinda reminds me of the Russian bear…

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« Reply #16665 on: January 31, 2025, 06:22:03 pm »

Why does he want to pick a fight with Canada? Is it a ploy, the intent to reduce Canada to penury, then come to its rescue by offering it U.S. statehood? (I can’t see that intent ever being behind the hatred for Mexico, but if it has anything to do with narcotics, then surely the trick is to enforce lack of U.S. demand for that shit?) Yes, from the new Gulf of America to the wider Arctic, such a great temptation to have it all American. Kinda reminds me of the Russian bear…

The reasons for instigating a trade was with Canada have never really been made clear. But that's par for the course these days. Can you understand what Trump is trying to accomplish? When it first came up, Mr T made some noises about illegals entering from Canada and also that drugs were making their way into the US from Canada. Those arguments were farcical. Drugs come into Canada from the US, not the other way round. (Weed used to migrate south back in the day because of the high reputation of Canadian growers, or so I'm told.) As for people travelling to Canada who then find a way to go south without permission, the fact is that it is not illegal for someone in Canada to go to the US, so it's not really clear what Canada can do about that. I suppose that Canada could help track down people smuggling rings but there was probably always cooperation in that area, a guess on my part. But I can't say I've ever heard much of that kind of thing going on. But then, unless it hit the news, I would never have heard.

Truly though, random meaningless gibberish is not uncommon from him, is it. E.g., the latest plane crash. Whenever he opens his mouth and all the media lose their minds, I just assume it's deflection and that he's doing something else somewhere that he doesn't want anyone to notice.

Speaking of the Russian Bear. There's a real war going on over there and so far as I can tell, he is paying it no mind. Does that make any sense to anyone?

What I did notice about him is that once the billionaire bros from Facebook, Amazon and others sidled up to him, Musk seemed to become less centre stage. I guess T doesn't need Elon's money as much anymore. We'll see in time if his association with those captains of industry will benefit the American people. I thought they'd all be on Mars by now. What's the holdup.
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« Reply #16666 on: January 31, 2025, 06:59:22 pm »

I think many of you give/have given Trump way too much credit.

He has no "plan", and I doubt he ever did. He is undisciplined and largely uneducated and just throws whatever pops into his head at the wall to see what sticks. And with some of the "theories" that he listens too, who can actually know what will come next. Throw in his own personal hates and likes into the mix and there you have it. And he has absolutely no problem spending the publics money to accomplish certain desires.

I think I mentioned this way back when in the beginning of his first term - he reminds me of a former boss of mine who needed controversy and having things stirred up so he could swoop in and save the day. Like Trump, he actually used to fabricate false boogey men.
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« Reply #16667 on: January 31, 2025, 11:19:54 pm »

"Like Trump, he actually used to fabricate false boogey men."

Surely the greatest 'false boogeymen' are those politicians who are creating an alarm about the catastrophic effects of human CO2 emissions.

If Trump succeeds in allowing the truth to get out, and stops the psychological harm done to children who are scared to hell because of false claims the oceans might boil and we'll all become extinct, then he will have made a remarkable achievement in his second term in as president.
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« Reply #16668 on: February 01, 2025, 09:59:34 am »

"Like Trump, he actually used to fabricate false boogey men."

Surely the greatest 'false boogeymen' are those politicians who are creating an alarm about the catastrophic effects of human CO2 emissions.

If Trump succeeds in allowing the truth to get out, and stops the psychological harm done to children who are scared to hell because of false claims the oceans might boil and we'll all become extinct, then he will have made a remarkable achievement in his second term in as president.


Really? Tell me, then: where do all the exhaust gasses from our production lines, cars, trucks, yachts, cruise liners etc. go when they are emitted? Why are islands already losing coastal villages to higher water lines? That’s not the inevitable erosion of cliffs that I mean, but the visible rise of levels that were once lower, low enough to allow the historical founding of villages and various forms of human habitation?

I can see no other answer to these things other than that the single, big change in the word is the massive production of man-released carbon and gas over the past hundred or more years. How about the melting ice fields? Where do you imagine the runoff goes, if not eventually into the sea? The sea has no magic trick whereby it can absorb the influx without rising.

If you want to see the results of climate change in action, investigate the south of Spain. Desertification is happy and thriving. Water supplies that were once the staging posts for millions of travelling birds are drying out; that, coupled with reckless farming use of chemicals has caused a huge drop in the volume of bees. Without them, pollination of farmed plant life is going to have a hard time. The starvation that has brought about much of the migration problem coming north from Africa bears witness to how climate has altered and caused unsustainable drought. One could ramble on all day with examples of change, but it probably wouldn’t do a thing to alter fixed beliefs.

Here, in the mountains of Mallorca, there remain a few ruins of snow houses. These were not dwelling places, but commercial structures built from rocks within which to store gathered mountain snow, compact it, and then take it down to the big city, Palma, as ice. Today, the supply of snow has so diminished over the years that they would be useless, quite apart, of course, from the invention of the fridge. I have noticed quite remarkable weather change over the forty-four years I’ve lived here. It's real, all right, and not just the difference between one year and the next.

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« Reply #16669 on: February 01, 2025, 04:20:32 pm »

Surely the greatest 'false boogeymen' are those politicians who are creating an alarm about the catastrophic effects of human CO2 emissions.
Do scientists agree on climate change?
Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world.
https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/faq/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/
It’s just NASA and yes, they are involved in rocket science too.  ;)
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« Reply #16670 on: February 01, 2025, 09:38:08 pm »

One could ramble on all day with examples of change, but it probably wouldn’t do a thing to alter fixed beliefs.

That's true. In order to alter fixed beliefs, one has to have an enquiring mind and do one's own research using one's own capacity for rational thinking and common sense.

Why would anyone disbelieve the opinion of qualified scientists in a particular field of study? I certainly didn't when the alarm about CO2 emissions became a major issue in the media, around 20 to 30 years ago.

However, I found the subject interesting, and the alarming issues raised by certain scientist interviewed in the media caused me to do some research to find answers to questions that were never raised during such interviews.

One of the first examples that I remember was the danger of 'ocean acidification'. The scientists being interviewed were never asked what the current pH of the oceans are. However, I asked myself, because I have an enquiring mind. Are the oceans normally acidic, or alkaline, or neutral?

After searching on the internet and Google Scholar, I was amazed to find that most scientific research claimed the pH of the ocean surfaces, on average, have fallen from a pH of 8.2 to 8.1 since the beginning of the industrial revolution. A pH of 7 is neutral. Below 7 is acidic, and above 7 is alkaline. However, further research revealed that the pH of the oceans varies, up and down, by far more than 0.1 pH, according to the depth of the ocean, the location of the ocean, and the season of the year.

A change of 0.1 pH over 150 years doesn't sound alarming to me, and I suspect it wouldn't sound alarming to the public in general, which is why such basic facts were never mentioned during the interviews.

After many investigations on alarming issues associated with rising CO2 levels, it became very obvious to me that there is a very strong bias in the media, and politics, and certain scientific organizations that are funded on the basis that CO2 emissions are an existential threat.

Anything that is good about rising CO2 levels and a warming climate, tends to be ignored by the mainstream media and by politicians. The focus is always on the bad aspects. That's not good science, and I hope Trump will fix this.

For example, how often have you heard that more people are now dying from heat waves due to global warming, and how often have you heard that, globally, far more people die from excessive cold, so it's likely that fewer people, in total, are now dying from extreme temperature events, as a result of global warming?

How often have you heard on the MSM that CO2 is a trace gas that is essential for all life and that all plants thrive in elevated CO2 levels (some types more than others of course)? How often have you heard that satellite imagery during the past 35 years reveals that the leaf coverage on our planet has dramatically increased by an area equivalent to the entire continent of the USA, mainly due to rising CO2 levels? In other words, despite our urbanization and deforestation, the planet is greening due to our use of fossil fuels. How terrible!  ;)

Don't you think it is silly to call CO2 a pollutant?  :D
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« Reply #16671 on: February 01, 2025, 09:56:56 pm »

“If you are not a scientist, and you disagree with scientists about science, it's actually not a disagreement. You're just wrong. Science is not truth. Science is finding the truth. When science changes its opinion, it didn't lie to you. It learned more.” Neil deGrasse Tyson
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« Reply #16672 on: February 02, 2025, 07:24:40 am »

I think many of you give/have given Trump way too much credit.

He has no "plan", and I doubt he ever did. He is undisciplined and largely uneducated and just throws whatever pops into his head at the wall to see what sticks. And with some of the "theories" that he listens too, who can actually know what will come next. Throw in his own personal hates and likes into the mix and there you have it. And he has absolutely no problem spending the publics money to accomplish certain desires.

I think I mentioned this way back when in the beginning of his first term - he reminds me of a former boss of mine who needed controversy and having things stirred up so he could swoop in and save the day. Like Trump, he actually used to fabricate false boogey men.

I find David Frum's insights into these things illuminating. I think he pretty much agrees with what you say. In this most recent interview he does make the point that many of the sane people that were around in Trump's first administration are gone now, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9A6KblAle8. He has surrounded himself with incompetent toadies this time, which is always a bad sign. His description of what recently happened with Columbia vs USA and how China's foreign policy behaviour differs from the USA was instructive. He criticizes Trump's tactic of making enemies out of previous friends and he makes a good point that Trump is not really an isolationist, he just pretends to be one when it suits. There are a series of interviews with Frum on that channel. For those who don't know, Frum was a speech writer in Bush's (W) administration and one the earliest "never Trump'ers".

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« Reply #16673 on: February 02, 2025, 07:26:02 am »

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Don't you think it is silly to call CO2 a pollutant?  :D

Who calls CO2 a pollutant?
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« Reply #16674 on: February 02, 2025, 09:55:22 am »

Who calls CO2 a pollutant?

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) considers carbon dioxide (CO2) a pollutant, as it has officially declared it a "danger" to human health and welfare, giving them the authority to regulate its emissions; this designation was made in 2009 by then-EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson through an "endangerment finding" which stated that CO2 and other greenhouse gases pose a threat to human health when concentrated in the atmosphere.
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« Reply #16675 on: February 02, 2025, 10:08:05 am »

“If you are not a scientist, and you disagree with scientists about science, it's actually not a disagreement. You're just wrong. Science is not truth. Science is finding the truth. When science changes its opinion, it didn't lie to you. It learned more.” Neil deGrasse Tyson

"If you are a 'true' scientist you will likely disagree with certain other scientists' interpretation of the data. Science is never completely settled, and in some disciplines, such as climate research, the science is very unsettled, because of its complexity and chaotic nature."  Ray
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« Reply #16676 on: February 02, 2025, 10:32:41 am »

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) considers carbon dioxide (CO2) a pollutant, as it has officially declared it a "danger" to human health and welfare, giving them the authority to regulate its emissions; this designation was made in 2009 by then-EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson through an "endangerment finding" which stated that CO2 and other greenhouse gases pose a threat to human health when concentrated in the atmosphere.

Read your own quotation. They didn't call it a pollutant, you did.
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« Reply #16677 on: February 02, 2025, 11:56:23 am »

"If you are a 'true' scientist you will likely disagree with certain other scientists' interpretation of the data. Science is never completely settled, and in some disciplines, such as climate research, the science is very unsettled, because of its complexity and chaotic nature."  Ray
What is your science degree, and where did you get it, Ray?
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« Reply #16678 on: February 02, 2025, 02:04:08 pm »

What is your science degree, and where did you get it, Ray?
And how about you, Andrew?
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« Reply #16679 on: February 02, 2025, 03:51:14 pm »

And how about you, Andrew?
I'm a professional photographer; (it is how I feed my family), unlike you.
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