Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[digitaldog]

TDS in full view. One lie after another.

The above is just another lie (from the sycophant nonphotographer):

Coronavirus: Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment
US President Donald Trump has been lambasted by the medical community after suggesting research into whether coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177

"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous - whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," the president said, turning to Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response co-ordinator, "and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it.
"And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting," the president continued.
"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."

[Robert Roaldi]

TDS in full view. One lie after another.

That Trump can sure dance though.   

[digitaldog]

That Trump can sure dance though.   

Indeed:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tH7Hh9ihj4g

[PeterAit]

TDS in full view. One lie after another.

Technically you are right - Trump actually advised people to inject "disinfectant," and we all know that bleach is not a disinfectant, right? Oh wait, now I get it, if everyone injected bleach, then everyone would turn white and we could all get along.

[digitaldog]

Technically you are right - Trump actually advised people to inject "disinfectant," and we all know that bleach is not a disinfectant, right?

https://www.cloroxpro.com/blog/busting-myths-about-bleach/
Bleach is often the go-to disinfectant because it has a proven history of effectiveness against a broad range of bacteria, bacterial spores, viruses, and fungi. In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends using an Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)-registered hospital-grade disinfectant, like bleach, to kill C. auris or C. difficile (“C. diff”) spores.

[digitaldog]

Latino voters grilled Donald Trump on Wednesday during a town hall hosted by Univision, and if the audience's expressions were anything to go by, his performance was lackluster.
At one point Carlos Aguilera, a construction worker from Florida who was born in Cuba, asked Trump if the recent slew of natural disasters and environmental issues battering the Sunshine State had made him reconsider his claims that climate change is a "hoax."
Trump responded by bragging about his golf courses and lying about his environmental record.
"I always feel that with the climate and I have been great," Trump said at one point in his rambling. "I have been an environmentalist. I built many things. I own Doral right next door and we did that in a very environment -- I got awards, environmental awards for the way I built it, for the water, the way I use the water, the sand, the mixing of the sand, and the water," he added as part of a lengthy, meandering response.
Trump has never produced the names of these alleged awards, and a 2017 investigation by The Washington Post could not find evidence that they exist.

[Rob C]

The poor man is losing it very quickly. The trouble is, as with in other countries, when the too old get into power they have no sense of reality left to them upon which to base state decisions and policies. As I suggest, this isn't just in the US of A.

Perhaps second runs should be universally banned upon the old "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice..." principle.

[Robert Roaldi]

The poor man is losing it very quickly. The trouble is, as with in other countries, when the too old get into power they have no sense of reality left to them upon which to base state decisions and policies. As I suggest, this isn't just in the US of A.

Perhaps second runs should be universally banned upon the old "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice..." principle.

I think you're right, age is rapidly catching up with him. He was never all that coherent though, was he.

He was pretty much always unfit for any leadership role, public or private. His achievements have been few, although he parlayed brand licensing during his TV years into a good earner, which is a bit like being an "influencer". I can see where it's a good laugh to be entertained by some loudmouth buffoon on social media or TV, but why should that qualify anyone for a real job, especially one in government. The fact that this happens is not an endorsement of the state of public discourse in the modern USA. Or anywhere else for that matter, because things are not that healthy here in Canada at the moment.

A piece of info surfaced recently because of a leak from a former aide in his white house that Trump had expressed hesitation at providing aid to the victims of California wildfires because, the implication is, they had not voted for him so why should they hope for aid. In an adult civilized culture, they'd put an arse wipe like that in the slammer.

[Frans Waterlander]

Was that around the time he advised his supporters to inject bleach (excuse me) disinfectant*?
* https://www.cloroxpro.com/blog/busting-myths-about-bleach/

Bleach or disinfectant, that's not the point. The point is that you and many others claim Trump advised his supporters to inject bleach/disinfectant. What he did was suggest to his Covid coordinator to research whether coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body. Get it, or is this too much to comprehend?

[digitaldog]

Once again, inside his bubble, posting his Trump nonsense, Frans shows his readers why they universally don't take him seriously.

[digitaldog]

Even Fox, Frans only source of "news" had to advise those only partially in the bubble, NOT TO INJECT bleach/disinfectant (is this too much for him to comprehend?):

[digitaldog]

What he did was suggest to his Covid coordinator to research whether coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body.

Ranks up there with his suggestion to nuke hurricanes.

According to US news website Axios, the president said in a meeting with top national security and homeland security officials about the threat of hurricanes: “I got it. I got it. Why don’t we nuke them?”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report
The guy is a moron. You'd have to be an equally or larger moron to support his moronic ideas but there are plenty. Some vocally support his suggestions. 

[Ray]

Andrew,
It seems to me this is just an idea that Trump raised, which merits discussion. We should distinguish between a 'recommendation' and a 'query'. The following article provides more detail.

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-would-happened-if-you-nuked-a-hurricane-like-trump-reportedly-suggested

It seems that Trump merely asked some senior officials why a hurricane can't be disrupted by dropping a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane. Here's the quote.

"Sources who heard the president's private remarks told Axios that Trump asked senior officials something along the lines of, "They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they're moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can't we do that?"

According to the linked article, this issue had been raised before by a meteorologist.

"In 1959, Jack Reed, a meteorologist at Sandia National Laboratories, raised the possibility of disrupting hurricane-forming weather conditions using nuclear weapons.
Reed theorised that nuclear explosives could stop hurricanes by pushing warm air up and out of the storm's eye, which would enable colder air to take its place. That, he thought, would lead to the low-pressure air fuelling the storm to dissipate and ultimately weaken the hurricane.

Reed suggested two means of delivering the nuke into the hurricane's eye.
"Delivery should present no particular problem," Reed wrote.
The first delivery method, he said, would be an air drop, though "a more suitable delivery would be from a submarine."
A submarine, he said, could "penetrate a storm eye underwater" and "launch a missile-borne device" there before diving to safety."

However, NOAA researchers then explained why this would not work, because an atomic bomb does not have enough energy to dissipate a hurricane, and radioactive fallout would spread far beyond the bounds of the hurricane, and cause devastating environmental problems in other regions.

I think trump is able to understand this, don't you? 

[digitaldog]

I think trump is able to understand this, don't you? 

I absolutely do not think he can. 
When it comes to hurricanes, he thinks with his sharpie <g>.
As for Reed, that was 1956, so we should cut him some slack. Further:

Reed first presented this idea in 1956 and wanted it included in the International Geophysical Year — a year of scientific collaboration between 67 countries around the world.

No one took him up on the offer, but Reed didn’t give up. Undeterred, he presented his theory as a potential project for Plowshare in 1959. Again, no one took him up on the offer. I can’t say that most meteorologists at the time thought Reed was crazy, but I do know that many today think so.

[digitaldog]

Words matter. Especially when dumb sycophants pay attention:

Accidental Poisonings Increased After President Trump’s Disinfectant Comments
What’s key is what happened in the weeks that followed Trump’s controversial and widely debunked comments—and there does appear to have been a rise in accidental poisonings thereafter.
In January, February and March of 2020, accidental poisonings with household disinfectants were up 5%, 17% and 93% respectively over the same months in 2019. In April, which includes an eight day period from the 23rd of the month to the 30th, following Trump’s comments, the increase was 121% compared to April of 2019. In the first ten days of May, things settled down some, with poisonings up 69% over the same 10-day period in 2019.
https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/

Yeah: Trump advised his supporters to inject bleach/disinfectant.

[Ray]

Andrew,
You should ask yourself, is that increase in the number of poisonings after Trumps comments, due to Trump's recommendations, or due to the misrepresentation of trumps comments by the media?

Here's a link to a 'factcheck' on what Trump really said, which was in response to a recent speech by President Biden in which he claimed: “Trump told Americans all they had to do was inject bleach in themselves, remember that?” Biden said. “Not a joke, You think I am making this up? Just take a real shot of UV light.”

https://www.wfae.org/politics/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-tell-americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19

The conclusion is that Trump was not advising anyone to inject themselves with bleach. He was merely floating ideas for potential treatments to be tested, during a press conference in the White House which included the 'Under Secretary for Science and Technology', William Bryan.

Apparently, it was Bryan, during the conference, who first mentioned that experiments had found that sun exposure, disinfectants, and cleaning agents such as bleach could kill COVID-19 on surfaces and in the air.

After Trump, in his response, floated the idea that maybe these disinfectants could be used in injections to kill the Covid virus, a reporter asked Bryan if he had said he was testing injections of cleaning agents.

Bryan's response was a definite 'no', and then Trump clarified his previous, rambling comments on the potential benefit of injections of bleach, claiming that it was not what he meant, and stated that it wouldn't be through injections, it would be cleaning and sterilization of an area.

"And so it appeared that they shut it down and clarified what they meant just moments later, but the press had already taken off with these comments that Trump made."

[Robert Roaldi]

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Bryan's response was a definite 'no', and then Trump clarified his previous, rambling comments on the potential benefit of injections of bleach, claiming that it was not what he meant, and stated that it wouldn't be through injections, it would be cleaning and sterilization of an area.
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So, at one point, he had made the suggestion then.

You seem to be bending over backwards to be extra fair, but no sale for me. If a 10 year old asks a naive question about ingesting disinfectant at a summer biology day camp, that's acceptable. When you're the Prez of an advanced technological nation in a public forum surrounded by medical experts, thinking out loud in a manner that gives away his complete lack of knowledge in the area, seemingly oblivious to his own depth of ignorance, that's simply not acceptable. "Just asking a question" is not appropriate in the context, not by a long shot. He would have been briefed in detail before the conference about the subject matter, but my guess is that not of it sunk in. I feel for his staff because it's very difficult to deal with stupid arrogant unaware bosses.

I take your point that the media may have run away with the criticism of him, but that's what the media does in these contexts. He and his staffers knew this, or should have, they cannot possibly have been naive about that. What he said was both stupid and harmful. Normal people, in such a context, would know enough to shut the f**k up. This wasn't a bunch of buddies shooting the breeze at a bar.

[digitaldog]

Ray, a new concept?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_pulpit

[Rob C]

So, at one point, he had made the suggestion then.

You seem to be bending over backwards to be extra fair, but no sale for me. If a 10 year old asks a naive question about ingesting disinfectant at a summer biology day camp, that's acceptable. When you're the Prez of an advanced technological nation in a public forum surrounded by medical experts, thinking out loud in a manner that gives away his complete lack of knowledge in the area, seemingly oblivious to his own depth of ignorance, that's simply not acceptable. "Just asking a question" is not appropriate in the context, not by a long shot. He would have been briefed in detail before the conference about the subject matter, but my guess is that not of it sunk in. I feel for his staff because it's very difficult to deal with stupid arrogant unaware bosses.

I take your point that the media may have run away with the criticism of him, but that's what the media does in these contexts. He and his staffers knew this, or should have, they cannot possibly have been naive about that. What he said was both stupid and harmful. Normal people, in such a context, would know enough to shut the f**k up. This wasn't a bunch of buddies shooting the breeze at a bar.

What we see here is the same attitude as we saw in Britain during the Boris J. tenure of the political top dog spot: total arrogance based on the premise that, as personalities, they can say or do anything they please. It took top-court legal action to shut down Boris and his intentions to run a horse and cart through Parliament. The same attitude seems to be creeping into the mindset of Pedro Sanchez, in Spain, as he attempts to attack judges entrusted with the investigation of his wife on corruption charges over the use of influence… it’s as if the political class has reached a point of isolation where it believes itself god-like and infallible. As I’ve commented recently, I feel things are truly bubbling to a head, and that a strong release of pressure must happen very soon. It probably won’t be pretty.

[Frans Waterlander]

Quote from your own post: "Here's a link to a 'factcheck' on what Trump really said, which was in response to a recent speech by President Biden in which he claimed: “Trump told Americans all they had to do was inject bleach in themselves, remember that?” Biden said. “Not a joke, You think I am making this up? Just take a real shot of UV light.”

https://www.wfae.org/politics/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-tell-americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19

The conclusion is that Trump was not advising anyone to inject themselves with bleach. He was merely floating ideas for potential treatments to be tested, during a press conference in the White House which included the 'Under Secretary for Science and Technology', William Bryan."

Amen.