Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Alan Klein]

Change the record, we heard you the first time.

This is the first time I spoke of having Congressional hearings in secret.  That way Congress could gather all the facts first and not embarrass people with political innuendo.  Then they could issue a report based on better evidence. Or they could then have public hearings. Or make recommendations to Attorney General for him to follow up. 

[Peter McLennan]

it's being treated as a trial. People are finding out…

Treated as a “trial” by you.  And “people” whoever the fuck those are.

Give us a break, Alan.  Your right wing, uninformed rhetoric is lame, repetitive, irresponsible, dysfunctional and damaging.

Before you start, this is not a personal attack.  This is an attack on what you SAY.

[PeterAit]

That's not what you inferred. 

First off, The Jan 6th hearings are all about Trump, the former president. If Trump didn't do anything illegal, most people don't care a fig about the other bit players. 

A simple question.,  Did Trump do anything illegal and if so what was it?

You might want to look up the meanings of "inferred" and "implied."

And the hearings are most certainly *NOT* all about Trump. Of course the Dems would love to uncover something that would send Trump to the hoosegow, but believe it or not, there are people on that committee who really care about the country and democracy and truth, the Republicans Cheney and Kinzinger among them.

And even if Trump did not do anything illegal, what exactly did he do and how did it contribute to the Jan 6th disaster?
 

[PeterAit]

Major troll bait.

Alan has a legitime question so lighten up.

[digitaldog]

Alan has a legitime question so lighten up.

Halarious.

[Alan Klein]

Treated as a “trial” by you.  And “people” whoever the fuck those are.

Give us a break, Alan.  Your right wing, uninformed rhetoric is lame, repetitive, irresponsible, dysfunctional and damaging.

Before you start, this is not a personal attack.  This is an attack on what you SAY.

I may be repetitive.  But I'm outgunned here 5 to 1.

[Alan Klein]

Alan has a legitime question so lighten up.

Thank you for the support.  I'm still waiting for an answer from our parliamentarian friends here. In a normal parliamentary election, how does a voter vote for the candidate he wants to be the Prime Minister if that's possible?  Is it a direct vote.  Or, do you have to vote for a Minister of Parliament who says they'll vote to elect the PM you favor?  Another way?

[TechTalk]

...And the hearings are most certainly *NOT* all about Trump...

To paraphrase Upton Sinclair - It is impossible to get Alan to understand something when his ideology requires not understanding it.

My suggestion, don't even bother trying

[Alan Klein]

To paraphrase Upton Sinclair - It is impossible to get Alan to understand something when his ideology requires not understanding it.

My suggestion, don't even bother trying

Rather than spending time continually knocking me, it would be helpful if you would provide a list of the crimes Trump violated and the supporting evidence.  That would be a novel approach on your part. 

[Peter McLennan]

Thank you for the support.  I'm still waiting for an answer from our parliamentarian friends here. In a normal parliamentary election, how does a voter vote for the candidate he wants to be the Prime Minister if that's possible?  Is it a direct vote.  Or, do you have to vote for a Minister of Parliament who says they'll vote to elect the PM you favor?  Another way?

To save Alan from “wasting his time” (his term, not mine) doing research and to save us from further rabbit holes:

In Canada, in Federal elections, you vote for your local Member of Parliament.   The party with the majority of elected MPs forms the government.  The Prime Minister is the leader of the party that won the majority.  The PM is not elected directly by the voters.  In addition to being the party leader, The PM is also an MP in his or her “riding”, or electoral district.

[Peter McLennan]

Rather than spending time continually knocking me, it would be helpful if you would provide a list of the crimes Trump violated and the supporting evidence.

 That would be a novel approach on your part.

And that would be more asshole trolling behaviour on your part.

The hearings you refuse to learn from are intended to do EXACTLY THAT.  Provide a list of crimes possibly “violated” (sic) by Trump and his associates.

[TechTalk]

Rather than spending time continually knocking me, it would be helpful if you would provide a list of the crimes Trump violated and the supporting evidence.  That would be a novel approach on your part.

Because it has been proven, beyond any doubt, that it is impossible for you to understand something when your ideology requires you not understanding it.

[Alan Klein]

To save Alan from “wasting his time” (his term, not mine) doing research and to save us from further rabbit holes:

In Canada, in Federal elections, you vote for your local Member of Parliament.   The party with the majority of elected MPs forms the government.  The Prime Minister is the leader of the party that won the majority.  The PM is not elected directly by the voters.  In addition to being the party leader, The PM is also an MP in his or her “riding”, or electoral district.

Thanks Peter for that info. 

So just to expand a little. Is there only one person in each party that is slated to be voted the PM by that party should that party get a majority of popular votes? Or can another member become PM as they argue about it especially if the party did not win a majority of the votes and there have to be arrangements made among a number of parties?

Also, do the voters vote before an election, who the PM candidate is in each party?   Or is that selection process only among the Ministers of Parliament of the party?

[Alan Klein]

Because it has been proven, beyond any doubt, that it is impossible for you to understand something when your ideology requires you not understanding it.

Copout.

[Jonathan Cross]

  In a normal parliamentary election, how does a voter vote for the candidate he wants to be the Prime Minister if that's possible?  Is it a direct vote.  Or, do you have to vote for a Minister of Parliament who says they'll vote to elect the PM you favor?  Another way?

From the UK.

In a normal general election  a vote is held across the UK on one day.  The country is divided into constituencies and each has a member of Parliament (MP).  Most candidates stand representing a political party although it is possible to stand for election as an independent.  Often there will be 4 or more candidates.  The one who gets more votes than any other candidate in the constituency is elected as a member of the House of Commons (the other house is the House of Lords, members of which are mainly appointed for service).  Each political party taking part has a leader, usually elected by the party public membership.  Each party also has a manfesto of what it would do if in Government.

The party that wins the most seats in the House of Commons forms the Government and the leader appoints department ministers, e.g. Chancellor of the Exchequer (Finance and Taxation), Foreign Affairs, Home Secretary (UK internal), Defence, Education, Culture and Sport, etc, etc.  If no one party gets an overall majority (>50% of the members) then it either forms a minority government (difficult to operate) or forms a coalition with another party to ensure that between them they have >50% of members.

At any time a vote of confidence can be called in Parliament and if lost there is a general election.  If a party's MPs get fed up with its leader it can make life very difficult for the leader as has just happened in the UK.  As the leader is elected by their party, the party MPs and members in the public can elect a new leader.  If that new leader departs much from the manifesto on which they were elected, then a vote of confidence can result.

In the UK this is regarded as democratic, though some want constituencies to have constituency proportional representation rather than first past the post.

That is how I understand it, and it is the sum of my knowledge - please don't ask me any questions.

Jonathan

       

[TechTalk]

To save Alan from “wasting his time” (his term, not mine) doing research and to save us from further rabbit holes:

In Canada, in Federal elections, you vote for your local Member of Parliament...

From the UK.

In a normal general election  a vote is held across the UK on one day...

Generous of you to take your time typing out what can be found on Wikipedia in the time it takes to type parliamentary system into Google.

[TechTalk]

Copout.

Indisputable truth.

[TechTalk]

Thanks Peter for that info. 

So just to expand a little. Is there only one person in each party that is slated to be voted the PM by that party should that party get a majority of popular votes? Or can another member become PM as they argue about it especially if the party did not win a majority of the votes and there have to be arrangements made among a number of parties?

Also, do the voters vote before an election, who the PM candidate is in each party?   Or is that selection process only among the Ministers of Parliament of the party?

This is standard adult attention seeking behavior. It's the 'teach me' form of it.

Instead of looking up information quickly and easily found online, he holds out a hoop for you to jump thru by asking you to supply the information for him. It's a game which he controls by asking questions for your response and giving him the attention he seeks.

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/attention-seeking-behavior#examples

[digitaldog]

But I'm outgunned here 5 to 1.

"To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant". -Amos Bronson Alcott

[TechTalk]

...it would be helpful if you would provide a list of the crimes Trump violated and the supporting evidence.  That would be a novel approach on your part.

Or, you could just pay attention to the evidence as it emerges from the various sources and jurisdictions. That would be a novel approach on your part — and a lot less work for everyone else.

Especially considering you don't get it the first time, or the second , or the third, or the fourth,... Bouncing the same ball against the same wall gets pretty boring and exhausting eventually.