Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Alan Klein]

As an addition to today's committee hearing, which focused on extremists operating inside and outside of the White House leading up to the insurrection on January 6th, Mehdi Hasan did a segment last week on Republican Extremism and the need to confront it.

https://www.youtube.com/GOP Extremism Can't Go Unanswered Anymore | The Mehdi Hasan Show

GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene went viral after suggesting that the July 4 Philadelphia and Highland Park shootings were false flags meant to push Republicans to back gun control measures. It’s bad enough that this lunacy is coming from a sitting member of Congress — but what’s worse, Mehdi says, is that the party is letting this nonsense flow freely to its base as it goes unanswered.

Hasan works for MSNBC, the most left, anti-Trump and pro-Democrat Party of the major cable news and talk stations.  Green may be a wacko on the right.  Of course, there are extremists on the Democratic left side such as that congresswoman who urges people to harass Supreme Court justices where they live.  A real wacko.  We should put them all in a third party to entertain each other.   

[TechTalk]

So their article is just whitewashing Biden's immigration policy.

You didn't read it. So, there is that to consider.

[TechTalk]

We should put them all in a third party to entertain each other.

There's already a third party. The Trumpublican Party. They're working hard to destroy what has taken over 230 years to build.

[TechTalk]

With every new January 6th Committee hearing, new evidence is revealed and mounting. An NPR article following last week's hearing summarized what had been learned, the main headings of which were...

1. For Trump, the crowd was armed, dangerous – and welcome.
2. A president with a flash temper and desperate to hold onto power.
3. No one was too big or too small for Trump's pressure campaign.
4. The potential for criminal prosecution may be growing.
5. The credibility of the witnesses is hard to dismiss.

Today's hearing provided evidence that exposed more of the unhinged activities inside the Trump White House.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/12/unhinged-west-wing-meeting-jan-6

In its seventh public hearing, the House select committee detailed an explosive meeting at the White House on Dec. 18, 2020, in which outside advisers to then-President Donald Trump and White House officials clashed over election fraud conspiracy theories and plots to keep Trump in power.

The committee meticulously reconstructed the meeting, playing clips of sworn testimony from various participants, including White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, who met with the committee behind closed doors on Friday.

The chaotic White House meeting took place four days after electors met across the country and made Joe Biden the president-elect, and lasted over six hours, beginning in the Oval Office and ending in Trump's private residence...

[Alan Klein]

With every new January 6th Committee hearing, new evidence is revealed and mounting. An NPR article following last week's hearing summarized what had been learned, the main headings of which were...

1. For Trump, the crowd was armed, dangerous – and welcome.
2. A president with a flash temper and desperate to hold onto power.
3. No one was too big or too small for Trump's pressure campaign.
4. The potential for criminal prosecution may be growing.
5. The credibility of the witnesses is hard to dismiss.

Today's hearing provided evidence that exposed more of the unhinged activities inside the Trump White House.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/12/unhinged-west-wing-meeting-jan-6

In its seventh public hearing, the House select committee detailed an explosive meeting at the White House on Dec. 18, 2020, in which outside advisers to then-President Donald Trump and White House officials clashed over election fraud conspiracy theories and plots to keep Trump in power.

The committee meticulously reconstructed the meeting, playing clips of sworn testimony from various participants, including White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, who met with the committee behind closed doors on Friday.

The chaotic White House meeting took place four days after electors met across the country and made Joe Biden the president-elect, and lasted over six hours, beginning in the Oval Office and ending in Trump's private residence...

Did Trump support criminal trespass of the Capitol and other illegal activity? If so, what is it? Where's the smoking gun?  The five things you listed are not criminal or just your opinion.  Nothing admissable in a court of law only at a show trial.   

[TechTalk]

Alan: how much of the Jan hearings have you watched?

Very little.

[Alan Klein]

Never mind what I watch.  You've made the claim there's evidence of Trump criminal activity.  Not speculation.  Evidence.  What is it?  The five items you listed are not evidence.

[TechTalk]

Never mind what I watch.

I'm not sure if you've noticed but I don't take orders from you. I'll mind whatever I please, thank you very much.

[TechTalk]

You've made the claim there's evidence of Trump criminal activity.

No, I haven't. You're deliberately pretending that I've said that for your own purposes. It's a disingenuous tactic.

[Alan Klein]

No, I haven't. You're deliberately pretending that I've said that for your own purposes. It's a disingenuous tactic.

Yes you did say there was evidence.  Was is it?

Quote from: TechTalk on Today at 06:09:45 pm
With every new January 6th Committee hearing, new evidence is revealed and mounting. An NPR article following last week's hearing summarized what had been learned, the main headings of which were...

[Peter McLennan]

Very little.  But every time I take a look, there's another Democrat accusing Trump of trying to overthrow the government.  They found him guilty before the show trial, I mean hearings, even started.

"Every time I take a look"... for fuck's sake, Alan. 

Somebody, a sitting President, attempted to obstruct the most fundamental characteristic of a DEMOCRACY, namely the peaceful transfer of power, and you can't be bothered to inform yourself of what actually happened?

Disgusting.  And appalling.

Disgusting for a person whose very existence is centered on the word democracy, and appalling for an American, who should at least care.

[TechTalk]

You've made the claim there's evidence of Trump criminal activity.

Yes you did say there was evidence.  Was is it?

Now you're just being dishonest about what you claimed I said before. Why would anyone want to discuss anything with you?

[TechTalk]

You could try reading what I actually said and try reading the context contained in the articles that my statement referenced... but you won't.

• You don't read the articles that you reference and link in your own posts
• You don't read the articles which others post and link before you comment on them
• You don't read what people have written in their posts before pretending they've made statements that they haven''t made

So... find another sucker to bait.

[Alan Klein]

"Every time I take a look"... for fuck's sake, Alan. 

Somebody, a sitting President, attempted to obstruct the most fundamental characteristic of a DEMOCRACY, namely the peaceful transfer of power, and you can't be bothered to inform yourself of what actually happened?

Disgusting.  And appalling.

Disgusting for a person whose very existence is centered on the word democracy, and appalling for an American, who should at least care.

Why should I look for the evidence you claim exists.  Just tell me what it is.  You're the one making the accusation. 

[Alan Klein]

You could try reading what I actually said and try reading the context contained in the articles that my statement referenced... but you won't.

• You don't read the articles that you reference and link in your own posts
• You don't read the articles which others post and link before you comment on them
• You don't read what people have written in their posts before pretending they've made statements that they haven''t made

So... find another sucker to bait.

I'm asking a simple question.  You're avoiding answering it.  What is the evidence that Trump committed a crime?

[TechTalk]

The ONLY thing that I'm avoiding is getting on your dishonest and disingenuous roller coaster ride for your amusement and to provide you with attention.

You've tried multiple times to bait me with a false premise. Stick a sock in it.

[Alan Klein]

The ONLY thing that I'm avoiding is getting on your dishonest and disingenuous roller coaster ride for your amusement and to provide you with attention.

You've tried multiple times to bait me with a false premise. Stick a sock in it.

I understand. No evidence, just rumors, and speculation by Democrats. 

[TechTalk]

You couldn't possibly understand. Your eyes are closed. You can't read. You only listen to the voices in your head.

You're dishonest and disingenuous in your interactions. You pretend that it's everyone's fault but your own that discussions break down.

Who needs it.

[Robert Roaldi]

I said that voters don't vote when I said they are selected by inside political hacks.  So there no democracy in the selection.  Will any voters vote for one of the eight?  If not, how is that more democratic than the American electoral system?

...

Things would be better around here if you didn't constantly make statements about things you don't understand.

And who ever said that the parliamentary system is "more democratic" than the American system? You made that up. I wish you'd stop that too.

Things can be organized in many different ways. What's important is to improve them when they don't work.

[Alan Klein]

Things would be better around here if you didn't constantly make statements about things you don't understand.

And who ever said that the parliamentary system is "more democratic" than the American system? You made that up. I wish you'd stop that too.

Things can be organized in many different ways. What's important is to improve them when they don't work.

I'm asking for explanations of how parliaments are more democratic than the federal republic system we have?  There were many that implied American is not democratic.  Well, it isn't.  But neither is PM system.  That's the only point I was making in light of what I learned today about what's going on over there with Boris and the 8 nominees.

While we're mentioning change in governments, now here's how a mob takes over a government, not the way American mobs acted on Jan 6th.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62132271