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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #13960 on: February 02, 2022, 08:12:08 am »

I think Putin blinked.  What do you think?

Putin Says the U.S. Wants to Push Russia into War
The Russian president blamed the United States for the crisis in Ukraine, saying Americans were goading the Kremlin to start a conflict as a pretext for enacting harsh sanctions.
President Vladimir V. Putin said on Tuesday that the United States was trying to pull Russia into an armed conflict over Ukraine that Russia did not want, cautioning that the West had not yet satisfied Russia’s demands for a sphere of influence in Eastern Europe but that he hoped “dialogue will be continued.”

The Kremlin has demanded in writing that NATO not expand eastward, guaranteeing that Ukraine will never join the alliance, and that NATO draw down forces in Eastern European countries that were once part of the Soviet Union or part of its orbit. American and European officials have dismissed such demands as non-starters.

Mr. Putin described the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat to world peace. He said that a Western-allied Ukraine strengthened with NATO weapons could launch a war against Russia to recapture Crimea, leading to war between Russia and the NATO bloc. Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014 was not recognized as legitimate by the international community.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/01/world/russia-ukraine-news#putins-public-remarks-today-could-be-his-first-on-ukraine-since-december


Gwynne Dyer's view https://gwynnedyer.com/2022/will-russia-play-the-cuban-card/.
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« Reply #13961 on: February 02, 2022, 09:08:40 am »

This has to warm Les's heart.

Nearly 40,000 Tesla fans sign petition urging Biden to acknowledge the company's leadership in electric cars
Frustrated that the Biden administration has "snubbed Tesla" in public comments and at events promoting electric cars, Tesla's hordes of loyal fans are speaking up.

A Change.org petition launched on Saturday calling for Biden to acknowledge Tesla's leadership in electric vehicles racked up more than 38,000 signatures by Tuesday morning. The petition alleges that Biden has unfairly praised Ford and General Motors for their electric accomplishments, while sidelining the Texas-based automaker.

The petitioners say that the White House has ignored Tesla because it is a non-union company, unlike other US automakers.

"The White House and the Biden Administration have intentionally been trying to ignore Tesla's hard work while propping up GM and others as 'EV Leaders,'" the petition says. "This is an insult to the Americans who work for Tesla."

The controversy dates back to August, when Biden invited GM, Ford, and Stellantis (formerly Fiat Chrysler) to the White House lawn to promote EVs. Tesla, by far the largest seller of electric cars in the US, was notably absent.

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« Reply #13962 on: February 02, 2022, 10:05:48 am »

We'll need another petition to ask him to clarify who is the EV leader.
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« Reply #13963 on: February 02, 2022, 12:00:57 pm »

Probably the same Democrat who drives around with the Confederate flag at Republican rallies in the US to give them a bad name.  ;)
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« Reply #13964 on: February 02, 2022, 12:04:37 pm »

Good news (Liz got my check). Firs time I've ever sent a contribution to any Republican, but that may all change 'bigly' :
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Republicans seeking re-election who backed former President Donald Trump's impeachment or voted to convict him last year are outpacing their GOP challengers in the money race, according to the latest Federal Election Commission filings.

The eight Republicans who voted in favor of either impeachment or conviction and are facing voters this year raised more money than those who seek to oust them from office, the filings released this week showed.

Leading the pack was Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., who pulled in more than $1.97 million during the last three months of 2021, bringing her yearly total to nearly $6.5 million. Harriet Hageman, Cheney's Trump-backed challenger, who launched her bid in September, reported about $443,000 in contributions last quarter, bringing her total for the year to just north of $745,000.
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« Reply #13965 on: February 02, 2022, 12:31:14 pm »

Good news (Liz got my check). Firs time I've ever sent a contribution to any Republican, but that may all change 'bigly' :

Good move, Andrew
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« Reply #13966 on: February 02, 2022, 03:53:45 pm »

Probably the same Democrat who drives around with the Confederate flag at Republican rallies in the US to give them a bad name.  ;)

Coals to Newcastle. The last thing the Republicans need is help giving themselves a bad name.
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« Reply #13967 on: February 02, 2022, 03:57:27 pm »

Good news (Liz got my check). Firs time I've ever sent a contribution to any Republican, but that may all change 'bigly' :

We can only respect Cheney for her patriotism, desire to find the truth about Jan 6, and unwillingness to toady to Trump, but let's not forget that politically she is a real horror show having voted with Trump 93% of the time.
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« Reply #13968 on: February 02, 2022, 04:01:40 pm »

We can only respect Cheney for her patriotism, desire to find the truth about Jan 6, and unwillingness to toady to Trump, but let's not forget that politically she is a real horror show having voted with Trump 93% of the time.
She did but she has a backbone and someone far worse could replace her.
Perfect is the enemy of good in this case.
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« Reply #13969 on: February 02, 2022, 04:34:24 pm »

Wow!
Lindsey Graham is a RINO!
Trump dubbed Graham, a lifelong Republican, a Republican in Name Only, in an interview with Newsmax that aired Tuesday night.
Who knew.
Alan is up....😱
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« Reply #13970 on: February 02, 2022, 04:55:13 pm »

We can only respect Cheney for her patriotism, desire to find the truth about Jan 6, and unwillingness to toady to Trump, but let's not forget that politically she is a real horror show having voted with Trump 93% of the time.
The same Democrats who support Liz Cheney today called her father Darth Vader when he was VP under Bush. They thought he was a warmonger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8of2uRKvEE

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« Reply #13971 on: February 02, 2022, 05:21:57 pm »

The same Democrats who support Liz Cheney today called her father Darth Vader when he was VP under Bush. They thought he was a warmonger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8of2uRKvEE
And he was a warmonger.
Are you any different (smarter, dumber) than your dad?
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« Reply #13972 on: February 02, 2022, 05:43:02 pm »

The same Democrats who support Liz Cheney today called her father Darth Vader when he was VP under Bush. They thought he was a warmonger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8of2uRKvEE

What?  You need to re-consider what you just wrote here. It makes no sense.
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« Reply #13973 on: February 02, 2022, 05:50:28 pm »

What?  You need to re-consider what you just wrote here. It makes no sense.
He is so consistent in that way.
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« Reply #13974 on: February 02, 2022, 06:25:02 pm »

We can only respect Cheney for her patriotism, desire to find the truth about Jan 6, and unwillingness to toady to Trump, but let's not forget that . . . she . . . voted with Trump 93% of the time.

As did many genuinely-conservative, genuine Republicans.  It's important to recall that Trump rarely knew or cared what legislation was proposed in his name as long as he could claim credit for it.  He was more oblivious to policy than any president in current memory.  He simply was used by various factions in the Republican Party which stroked his fragile ego to get what they wanted, just as he was used by various foreign governments which flattered him to get what they wanted.  (And, in the case of Russia, which tried to assist his campaigns for president.)

She did but she has a backbone and someone far worse could replace her.
Perfect is the enemy of good in this case.

Not only that: every democracy needs a conservative party (or parties) as a counterweight to its liberal party (or parties)—its "progressive" parties, as they now prefer to style themselves—because in the long run, legislation advanced by liberal politicians tends to be more attractive to a democratic country's population than the status quo ante.  (That's why liberals think of themselves as "progressives."  Their ideas are intended to "make progress.")

The long-term trend may not be a bad thing, depending on your point-of-view.  In the United States, Social Security old-age and disability benefits, civil rights and voting rights legislation, Medicare and Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act all eventually achieved widespread popular support.

But every one of those legislative efforts benefited from the pushback from genuine conservatives who were concerned about their costs and implementation—and who used both their arguments and their political leverage to produce workable administrative arrangements.

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« Reply #13975 on: February 02, 2022, 06:50:06 pm »

And he was a warmonger.
Are you any different (smarter, dumber) than your dad?

AFAIK, he shot only one man. And he is still alive.
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« Reply #13976 on: February 02, 2022, 06:54:03 pm »

What?  You need to re-consider what you just wrote here. It makes no sense.
What doesn't make sense?  Democrats hate Liz Cheney, a conservative Republican,  just as they hated her father, a conservative Republican.  But because her anti-Trump payback fight help Democrats politically, they're willing to hold their noses and feign liking her and supporting her even though she voted with Trump most of the time. 

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« Reply #13977 on: February 02, 2022, 07:02:10 pm »

Demcorats hate Liz Cheney, a conservative Republican,  just as they hated her father, a conservative Republican. 
I don't hate Liz. She's well-spoken, intelligent. I have respect for her. But we have differences in policy.
You're the opposite in all of her qualities above.
Your stupid generalized assumptions and all of anyone/anything is as usual, absurd.
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« Reply #13978 on: February 02, 2022, 07:04:54 pm »

As did many genuinely-conservative, genuine Republicans.  It's important to recall that Trump rarely knew or cared what legislation was proposed in his name as long as he could claim credit for it.  He was more oblivious to policy than any president in current memory.  He simply was used by various factions in the Republican Party which stroked his fragile ego to get what they wanted, just as he was used by various foreign governments which flattered him to get what they wanted.  (And, in the case of Russia, which tried to assist his campaigns for president.)

Not only that: every democracy needs a conservative party (or parties) as a counterweight to its liberal party (or parties)—its "progressive" parties, as they now prefer to style themselves—because in the long run, legislation advanced by liberal politicians tends to be more attractive to a democratic country's population than the status quo ante.  (That's why liberals think of themselves as "progressives."  Their ideas are intended to "make progress.")

The long-term trend may not be a bad thing, depending on your point-of-view.  In the United States, Social Security old-age and disability benefits, civil rights and voting rights legislation, Medicare and Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act all eventually achieved widespread popular support.

But every one of those legislative efforts benefited from the pushback from genuine conservatives who were concerned about their costs and implementation—and who used both their arguments and their political leverage to produce workable administrative arrangements.

Unfortunately in a democracy, the people vote themselves free stuff that turns out not to be so free, because nothing is for nothing.  The people eventually pay for it with higher taxes and inflation as the government has to become creative in finding the money to pay for all that "free" stuff. 

We just went over $3o trillion in national debt.  Inflation and higher prices are rampant.  You want to dance; you pay the piper.

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« Reply #13979 on: February 02, 2022, 07:18:41 pm »

Unfortunately in a democracy, the people vote themselves free stuff that turns out not to be so free, because nothing is for nothing.
More rubbish.
The problem with democracy:
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As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.”
— H. L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
If you voted for Trump, or might again, you are the problem for democracy.
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