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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #10280 on: May 04, 2021, 12:46:31 pm »

Completely avoiding answering the question by repeating a well-used litany of tropes, as usual, Alan.

Couldn’t you at least be a little bit creative instead of repetitive?
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« Reply #10281 on: May 04, 2021, 12:48:00 pm »

The way out of it is for the Fed to stop printing. That means the government has to stop spending.  We need to go through a big recession to sort out the economy again.  It's going to hurt a lot.  But politicians don't want to go through the pain because they'll be blamed.  So the Fed with keep printing to cover up the issues.  But eventually, we're going to have runaway inflation and it's all going to come down into a huge recession, maybe depression.  It's going to be brutal.  I wonder if my government pension will survive? My savings could get wiped out.  Major unemployment. It could be worldwide as other countries are printing as well.  China could come out as the last man standing although they have problems too.

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« Reply #10282 on: May 04, 2021, 12:49:31 pm »

Completely avoiding answering the question by repeating a well-used litany of tropes, as usual, Alan.

Couldn’t you at least be a little bit creative instead of repetitive?
See my last post.  I think I've said this before.  If that's not the answer, what do you suggest we do?

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« Reply #10283 on: May 04, 2021, 09:29:40 pm »

See my last post.  I think I've said this before.  If that's not the answer, what do you suggest we do?

What was historically done was that governments accumulated a nest egg in good times so that they can help people in bad times. You seem to be suggesting to tighten belts during bad times. I'm sure that won't bother Mitch or Elon, they'll be fine, but that "pain" that you want to impose will be felt most by those who are already suffering and who have the least amount of influence. Do you really think lowering Uber drivers' salaries will cause the economy to bounce back? Is that really where the problem lies?

It's a weird concept that some people seem to have, that it's necessary to suffer now and then, sounds like a very Puritan-type concept to me. Maybe we should let go of some old ideas.
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« Reply #10284 on: May 04, 2021, 09:59:29 pm »

What was historically done was that governments accumulated a nest egg in good times so that they can help people in bad times. You seem to be suggesting to tighten belts during bad times. I'm sure that won't bother Mitch or Elon, they'll be fine, but that "pain" that you want to impose will be felt most by those who are already suffering and who have the least amount of influence. Do you really think lowering Uber drivers' salaries will cause the economy to bounce back? Is that really where the problem lies?

It's a weird concept that some people seem to have, that it's necessary to suffer now and then, sounds like a very Puritan-type concept to me. Maybe we should let go of some old ideas.
Americs's broke.  There are no good times any more. Those days ended long ago. We're thirty trillion in debt. Taxes pay for only 45% of our budget.  We're printing the rest. That's creating artificial bubbles that will pop as real estate did in 2008. 

Why is the government giving out stimulus to people like me who haven;t seen any reduction in earnings? Why are they giving so much out to others, there's no incentive to return to work?  The economy is in a breakout mode and no additional printing or stimulus needs to be done.  For the unemployed, it would cost less than $100 billion to help them out for six months.  We don't need to spend $4 T more as is being proposed.  Inflation pricing is starting to get out of control.

PS: I don't know anything about Uber drivers salaries.  That's not my business nor the government's. 

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« Reply #10286 on: May 05, 2021, 04:06:25 pm »

Silencing free speech.  Playing politics with a public utility.

Facebook Oversight Board Upholds Social Network’s Ban of Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/05/technology/facebook-trump-ban-upheld.html

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« Reply #10287 on: May 05, 2021, 04:40:07 pm »

Silencing free speech.  Playing politics with a public utility.

Facebook Oversight Board Upholds Social Network’s Ban of Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/05/technology/facebook-trump-ban-upheld.html

Supressing free speech shameless lies. I'm not missing him and his juvenile slanders.
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« Reply #10288 on: May 05, 2021, 04:57:32 pm »

Silencing free speech.  Playing politics with a public utility.

Facebook Oversight Board Upholds Social Network’s Ban of Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/05/technology/facebook-trump-ban-upheld.html

Conservative voices are being silenced!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNZTtoQBmA
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« Reply #10289 on: May 05, 2021, 05:24:39 pm »

Supressing free speech shameless lies. I'm not missing him and his juvenile slanders.
All politicians lie.  It's not up to a utility to censor speech any more than the phone company should deny telephone services because your group is the Communist Party, BLM, the KKK, or the Nazi Party.  Utilities should furnish service to everyone.

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« Reply #10290 on: May 05, 2021, 05:36:42 pm »

Conservative voices are being silenced!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNZTtoQBmA
There is a difference between saying stuff on a cable station and not being able to use a social media monopoly like Facebook or Twitter or Google.  These are monopoly utilities that can destroy a business or politician on a whim. 

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« Reply #10291 on: May 05, 2021, 05:39:11 pm »

... social media monopoly like Facebook or Twitter or Google.  These are monopoly utilities that can destroy a business or politician on a whim.

They can? Really?
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« Reply #10292 on: May 06, 2021, 07:35:15 am »

All politicians lie.  It's not up to a utility to censor speech any more than the phone company should deny telephone services because your group is the Communist Party, BLM, the KKK, or the Nazi Party.  Utilities should furnish service to everyone.

There are lies, misinformation, and then there are Trump deceptions. Thousands of them. Even more disconcerting is the fact that there are still some Americans believing him.
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« Reply #10293 on: May 06, 2021, 08:40:57 am »

There are lies, misinformation, and then there are Trump deceptions. Thousands of them. Even more disconcerting is the fact that there are still some Americans believing him.
Politicians lie all the time.  Biden claims the border immigrants and illegals coming over are Trump's fault when everyone knows Biden caused the problem when he said no one will be refused entry and shut down Trump's wall construction.  Biden winked at illegal immigration.  Should Biden be excluded from using Twitter, Facebook etc because he's deceptive? 

It's not up to utilities to shut down speech.  That's what's happening now and they have huge power over who can run for office and what companies can be competitors by shutting them down as well.  I thought you were a person who applauded free speech.  It seems, Les, that you only approve of it when you agree with it.  I'm really surprised that you joined the left in wanting to silence the speech you disagree with. 

Even liberal media sees the damage to a Trump political future.  Do we want a 35-year-old billionaire from Facebook to decide who runs for office?   Next time it could be someone on your side?  What if Facebook decides that Caitlyn Jenner, a transexual, is not transexual enough to be governor of California because she's against girl transsexuals from competing in girl's sports because they're too strong having men's genes?  Do we really want people like Mark Zuckerberg deciding she's not a good enough transexual to represent California? 

Why Facebook's Decision On Trump Could Be 'Make Or Break' For His Political Future
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/06/994063372/why-facebooks-decision-on-trump-could-be-make-or-break-for-his-political-future

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #10294 on: May 06, 2021, 08:48:42 am »

From here it looks like Trump did enough damage already. Time to move on.
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« Reply #10295 on: May 06, 2021, 08:55:41 am »

Politicians lie all the time.  Biden claims the border immigrants and illegals coming over are Trump's fault when everyone knows Biden caused the problem when he said no one will be refused entry and shut down Trump's wall construction.  Biden winked at illegal immigration.  Should Biden be excluded from using Twitter, Facebook etc because he's deceptive? 

It's not up to utilities to shut down speech.  That's what's happening now and they have huge power over who can run for office and what companies can be competitors by shutting them down as well.  I thought you were a person who applauded free speech.  It seems, Les, that you only approve of it when you agree with it.  I'm really surprised that you joined the left in wanting to silence the speech you disagree with. 

Even liberal media sees the damage to a Trump political future.  Do we want a 35-year-old billionaire from Facebook to decide who runs for office?   Next time it could be someone on your side?  What if Facebook decides that Caitlyn Jenner, a transexual, is not transexual enough to be governor of California because she's against girl transsexuals from competing in girl's sports because they're too strong having men's genes?  Do we really want people like Mark Zuckerberg deciding she's not a good enough transexual to represent California? 

Why Facebook's Decision On Trump Could Be 'Make Or Break' For His Political Future
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/06/994063372/why-facebooks-decision-on-trump-could-be-make-or-break-for-his-political-future

You have called social media "utilities" for several postings now. Did you think no one noticed?

Stop the propaganda, please, or at least do it better.
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« Reply #10296 on: May 06, 2021, 09:01:07 am »

South Carolina decides to give death row prisoners more choice, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/south-carolina-firing-squad-execution-death-penalty_n_60936881e4b02e74d22f9551?ncid.

Funny that they haven't come up with more humane ways to kill people, e.g., heroin overdose, killer joke so you go out laughing, etc. I get the impression that people just want to inflict as much hurt and fear as possible. Veterinarians might be the better model to follow here.

Are the executions outsourced to private companies, by any chance, to keep costs down? Maybe they use volunteers?
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« Reply #10297 on: May 06, 2021, 09:02:57 am »

You have called social media "utilities" for several postings now. Did you think no one noticed?

Stop the propaganda, please, or at least do it better.

It’s was just a few short years ago when Donald Trump congratulated Ajit Pai for wiping out net neutrality and assuring us that allowing private control over Internet content was a great thing. 

How time flies. 
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« Reply #10298 on: May 06, 2021, 09:07:56 am »

Meanwhile, in Arizona, things are getting weird incredibly stupid in the (LOL) “audit” of the (BWAHAHA) “fraudulent” election of Joe Biden. 

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/arizona-election-auditors-check-ballots-for-bamboo-fibers-after-conspiracy-theorists-claim-40000-votes-were-flown-in-from-asia/
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« Reply #10299 on: May 06, 2021, 09:12:11 am »

Meanwhile, in Arizona, things are getting weird incredibly stupid in the (LOL) “audit” of the (BWAHAHA) “fraudulent” election of Joe Biden. 

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/arizona-election-auditors-check-ballots-for-bamboo-fibers-after-conspiracy-theorists-claim-40000-votes-were-flown-in-from-asia/

I presume that the assumption is that if there is bamboo present then it must have come from Asia. What about soya sauce, did they check for soya sauce?

It's embarrassing reading this crap.
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