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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6580 on: February 05, 2021, 08:11:40 pm »

So the MyPillow Guy has made a three hour movie in which he advances all the massive voter fraud theories, including the ones about rigged Dominion voting machines and Smartmatic software, both of which have sued such luminaries as Fox News, Rudy Giuliani, and Sidney Powell for an aggregate of $4 billion. I guess the MyPillow Guy is next. Anyway, he bought time on OAN to show the movie in its entirety. I am not sure how many MyPillows he has to sell to cover the cost. So OAN, who doesn't want to join the other luminaires in the $4 billon lawsuits, is running a 90 second disclaimer before running the movie. That's a pretty long disclaimer. By the way, the title of the movie is Absolute Proof. Early reviews say it actually doesn't contain any proof, which comes as no surprise to most of us.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mypillow-ceo-documentary-90-second-disclaimer-oan-mike-lindell-lawsuit-2021-2
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« Reply #6581 on: February 05, 2021, 09:58:25 pm »

So the MyPillow Guy has made a three hour movie in which he advances all the massive voter fraud theories, including the ones about rigged Dominion voting machines and Smartmatic software, both of which have sued such luminaries as Fox News, Rudy Giuliani, and Sidney Powell for an aggregate of $4 billion. I guess the MyPillow Guy is next. Anyway, he bought time on OAN to show the movie in its entirety. I am not sure how many MyPillows he has to sell to cover the cost. So OAN, who doesn't want to join the other luminaires in the $4 billon lawsuits, is running a 90 second disclaimer before running the movie. That's a pretty long disclaimer. By the way, the title of the movie is Absolute Proof. Early reviews say it actually doesn't contain any proof, which comes as no surprise to most of us.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mypillow-ceo-documentary-90-second-disclaimer-oan-mike-lindell-lawsuit-2021-2

Aw man, three hours ?!?  I hope there's an intermission.
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« Reply #6582 on: February 05, 2021, 10:03:18 pm »

If the G.O.P. ever gets over its mass psychosis, maybe the party should talk to this Ben Sasse guy a bit, get his ideas, https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/05/ben-sasse-2024-466424. There's a short (under 3 min) video embedded partway down the article, which is the bit you should watch. Seems like he's not insane, wouldn't that be nice for a change.

The most important point he makes, imo, is that conservatism has nothing to do with the wigged-out alt-right bs we've been hearing for the last 4 years. I hope enough people are cogent enough to understand the difference.
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« Reply #6583 on: February 05, 2021, 11:47:22 pm »

Pillow guys “film” already removed from YouTube and others.
And this is an update on a fellow mentioned pages back:
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« Reply #6584 on: February 06, 2021, 06:25:36 am »


And this is an update on a fellow mentioned pages back:
[Lou Dobbs]


I remember seeing Lou Dobbs on CNN during my sojourn in the US of A and thinking he was an unremarkable business correspondent on what seemed at the time to be quite a right wing channel.  I wonder at what point did he go full-on nutter?  What it a pact with the devil to achieve visibility?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6585 on: February 06, 2021, 06:41:00 am »

If the G.O.P. ever gets over its mass psychosis, maybe the party should talk to this Ben Sasse guy a bit, get his ideas, https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/05/ben-sasse-2024-466424. There's a short (under 3 min) video embedded partway down the article, which is the bit you should watch. Seems like he's not insane, wouldn't that be nice for a change.

The most important point he makes, imo, is that conservatism has nothing to do with the wigged-out alt-right bs we've been hearing for the last 4 years. I hope enough people are cogent enough to understand the difference.

Ben Sasse has been a lone voice in the wilderness for a couple of years. He actually won reelection easily for another six year term in 2020. He voted to acquit Trump in the first impeachment trial, so Mitt Romney still holds the title of sanest Republican.
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« Reply #6586 on: February 06, 2021, 11:43:10 am »

I'm not sure about this, but I don't think running a disclaimer before a movie that contains libelous material means you can't be sued -- I think it just means that you recognized that the material is libelous and you ran it anyway. The fact that you're making money from running libelous material isn't any kind of protection, as far as I know.

Although Lou Dobbs started as basically a business reporter, even in the early days a *very* conservative point of view would occasionally leak out...and as the years went by, it started creeping over into the crazy.

Ben Sasse, like most politicians, is an opportunist. The main thing most Republicans fear is being "primaried." If you're a relatively sober Republican nominee in Nebraska, you're probably not going to lose. Sasse was pretty far on the conservative side and kept his mouth shut about Trump until he was renominated last year, and then he began to be a little more critical about Trump. He's now safe for another six years. About four years from now, I expect he'll start drifting back further to the right.
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« Reply #6587 on: February 06, 2021, 01:19:11 pm »

The title of the article while accurate is somewhat misleading, since this is a story about how Jason Miller, a Trump spokesperson, is failing to make child support payments and is hiding his income through what appear to be payment arrangements with Trump's new PAC and related entities.  Jason Miller's ex wife's attorney tried to serve a subpoena on Trump's new PAC, which in turn sent it over to Jason Miller's personal attorney, to find out if Jason Miller was an employee or independent contractor of the PAC, and if so what his compensation was, presumably so she could garnish it. Hence the "dodge", which will be short-lived because Jason Miller's ex wife's attorney is going to serve the subpoena on the PAC again. Only the best people.

Trump's new PAC dodges its first subpoena, thanks to loyalist Jason Miller's legal woes

https://www.salon.com/2021/02/06/trumps-new-pac-dodges-its-first-subpoena-thanks-to-loyalist-jason-millers-legal-woes/
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« Reply #6588 on: February 06, 2021, 05:30:42 pm »

Ben Sasse has been a lone voice in the wilderness for a couple of years. He actually won reelection easily for another six year term in 2020. He voted to acquit Trump in the first impeachment trial, so Mitt Romney still holds the title of sanest Republican.

Can we dare hope that Sasse, Cheney, and Romney - and maybe Murkowski and Collins - will quit the GOP and become independents?
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« Reply #6589 on: February 06, 2021, 06:16:12 pm »

Can we dare hope that Sasse, Cheney, and Romney - and maybe Murkowski and Collins - will quit the GOP and become independents?

I don't want to be a Debbie Downer but, historically speaking, that would be the path to oblivion. Probably the best hope for the Republican party is that Trump gets hit by a bus. Then they could all heave a sigh of relief and go back to being Republicans.
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« Reply #6590 on: February 06, 2021, 07:02:33 pm »

Finally, something we can all agree on.

Climate change "may have played a key role" in coronavirus pandemic, study says

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-coronavirus-bats-study/
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« Reply #6591 on: February 06, 2021, 07:36:02 pm »

This is kinda sad:

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The total so far: $519 million.
The costs have mounted daily as government agencies at all levels have been forced to devote public funds to respond to actions taken by Trump and his supporters, according to a Washington Post review of local, state and federal spending records, as well as interviews with government officials.
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« Reply #6592 on: February 06, 2021, 08:02:56 pm »

Can we dare hope that Sasse, Cheney, and Romney - and maybe Murkowski and Collins - will quit the GOP and become independents?

And what?  Caucus with the Democrats?  Doing so might net them some desirable committee assignments, but I think chairmanships, even assuming the Democratic Party retains its majorities in one or both chambers, would be beyond their reach.  And their prospects of advancing legislative proposals they were genuinely comfortable with would be negligible given the influence of the Democratic liberal wing in both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

I think the majority of Republican elected officials at the federal level remain genuinely conservative, not just the few who have dared to challenge the crazyTrump faction.  They never were comfortable with the right-wing populists that catapulted Trump into office—and certainly not with Trump himself, who I'm sure most of them detest.

But they certainly don't appprove of many of the policy directions of the Democratic Party, either, despite President Biden's centrist instincts; where legislation is concerned, he shares power with Charles Schumer (Senate majority leader) and Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the House of Representatives), both of whom must be responsive to the liberal wing of the party to maintain their leadership positions.

The problem for the Romneys, Cheneys, et. al., is that the center of gravity among Republican voters has radically shifted—or is that shifted radically?—and many Republican officeholders have a well-founded fear of populist primary challenges* if they stick to the principles they believe in.

I have a great deal of sympathy and respect for them, even though I don't always agree with their policies.  The party and the conservative principles to which they have devoted their political careers is careening away from them in a genuinely bizarre direction and I don't know whether they have any decent options other than to retire or to try to hang on, fight the good fight and, in many cases, ultimately lose their seats.

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« Reply #6593 on: February 07, 2021, 03:40:08 am »

This is kinda sad:

I hope that Michael Lewis is busy doing a follow up on "The Fifth Risk"... it would be an interesting read.
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« Reply #6594 on: February 07, 2021, 10:33:37 am »

I think the majority of Republican elected officials at the federal level remain genuinely conservative, not just the few who have dared to challenge the crazyTrump faction.  They never were comfortable with the right-wing populists that catapulted Trump into office—and certainly not with Trump himself, who I'm sure most of them detest.

126 House Republicans signed on to that idiotic lawsuit ginned up by the Texas attorney general challenging vote counts. 147 House and Senate Republicans voted to challenge the electoral votes of battleground states an hour after the Capitol riot. I don't think they get they least bit of credit if they were uncomfortable doing so or detest Trump. I'd argue it is even worse that they did so while harboring those feelings. I am searching for an adjective to describe their behavior and think "craven" will do nicely. Josh Hawley is perhaps the worst. His explanation that he was "just representing the views of his constituents" sounds a lot like the "just following orders" excuse that didn't work out all that well at Nuremburg and My Lai.
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« Reply #6595 on: February 07, 2021, 10:45:50 am »

126 House Republicans signed on to that idiotic lawsuit ginned up by the Texas attorney general challenging vote counts. 147 House and Senate Republicans voted to challenge the electoral votes of battleground states an hour after the Capitol riot. I don't think they get they least bit of credit if they were uncomfortable doing so or detest Trump. I'd argue it is even worse that they did so why harboring those feelings. I am searching for an adjective to describe their behavior and think "craven" will do nicely.

Craven or extremely stupid.
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« Reply #6596 on: February 07, 2021, 10:57:29 am »

And what?  Caucus with the Democrats?  Doing so might net them some desirable committee assignments, but I think chairmanships, even assuming the Democratic Party retains its majorities in one or both chambers, would be beyond their reach.  And their prospects of advancing legislative proposals they were genuinely comfortable with would be negligible given the influence of the Democratic liberal wing in both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

I think the majority of Republican elected officials at the federal level remain genuinely conservative, not just the few who have dared to challenge the crazyTrump faction.  They never were comfortable with the right-wing populists that catapulted Trump into office—and certainly not with Trump himself, who I'm sure most of them detest.

But they certainly don't appprove of many of the policy directions of the Democratic Party, either, despite President Biden's centrist instincts; where legislation is concerned, he shares power with Charles Schumer (Senate majority leader) and Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the House of Representatives), both of whom must be responsive to the liberal wing of the party to maintain their leadership positions.

The problem for the Romneys, Cheneys, et. al., is that the center of gravity among Republican voters has radically shifted—or is that shifted radically?—and many Republican officeholders have a well-founded fear of populist primary challenges* if they stick to the principles they believe in.

I have a great deal of sympathy and respect for them, even though I don't always agree with their policies.  The party and the conservative principles to which they have devoted their political careers is careening away from them in a genuinely bizarre direction and I don't know whether they have any decent options other than to retire or to try to hang on, fight the good fight and, in many cases, ultimately lose their seats.

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76 million people voted for Trump, almost half the electorate. There's a powerful move towards populism that will grow as the economy shrinks for many people who will feel left out as they get poorer and lose power.  It's driving the Republicans left and the Democrats even more left.

Unfortunately, we've gotten to the point where people look for government handouts rather than being self-sufficient.  Democrats win in that environment because they've always offered more free giveaways than Republicans.  Trump, of course, was never a Republican and was just as free-spending as Democrats.  He ruined the republican party by moving it to the Democratic party thinking of debt.  Sure, he reduced business taxes and some regulation, a typical Republican move.  But that was it.  So now the whole country is in a fix and it's going to get worse as we break the bank. 

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« Reply #6597 on: February 07, 2021, 11:06:13 am »

Can we dare hope that Sasse, Cheney, and Romney - and maybe Murkowski and Collins - will quit the GOP and become independents?
Cheney voted against Trump because he insulted her father, the former VP.  Romney hates Trump because of what Trump said negatively about him and made him look like a fool during the nomination process in 2016.  Nancy Pelosi impeached Trump for what he said about her too.  Everyone's trying to get even. All the political regulars can't stand Trump because he's an outsider who won the presidency despite their attacks.  Both Republicans and Democrats really don't want him to run again in 2024, but who knows?
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« Reply #6598 on: February 07, 2021, 11:21:49 am »

I hope that Michael Lewis is busy doing a follow up on "The Fifth Risk"... it would be an interesting read.

Agreed.  “The Fifth Risk” is an eye-popping read.
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« Reply #6599 on: February 07, 2021, 11:34:51 am »

I just want to mention that it's nice to be back after being banned by the moderator for a week.  He made me sit in the corner like an errant student writing words of affirmative action 100 times for daring to mention politics in another thread besides this one.  I'm holding onto the dunce cap just in case I lose it again.  :)

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