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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6480 on: January 30, 2021, 09:36:01 pm »

The whole country is rife with nut jobs. Now the anti-vaxxers staged a demonstration and shutdown a COVID vaccination site at Dodgers Stadium in Los Angeles.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vaxxers-and-right-wingers-shut-down-dodgers-stadium-vaccine-site

I think that may have been the last straw for me. I am no longer sure the country is worth saving.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6481 on: January 30, 2021, 09:46:21 pm »

Three lawyers on Trump’s legal team for the second impeachment trial have bailed on him. I didn’t even know he had any yet. I guess he has a week or so to scrounge up some more. Fortunately for him, since 45 Republicans have already voted that the trial is unconstitutional, he could hire the Three Stooges and he will still be acquitted.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/trumps-impeachment-lawyer-leaves-team-464017

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Per a NYT story, it is actually five lawyers who have quit. Now, the Three Stooges won't be enough; he'll need to hire the Marx Brothers.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6482 on: January 31, 2021, 07:54:34 am »

The whole country is rife with nut jobs. Now the anti-vaxxers staged a demonstration and shutdown a COVID vaccination site at Dodgers Stadium in Los Angeles.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vaxxers-and-right-wingers-shut-down-dodgers-stadium-vaccine-site

I think that may have been the last straw for me. I am no longer sure the country is worth saving.

I found the last line in the report interesting.

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According to one reporter on the scene, the organizer of the event referred to Bill Gates, a frequent target of anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, as “a satanic pedophile eugenicist.”
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I knew that anti-vaxxers didn't like Bill Gates so I'm not surprised at the "satanic pedophile" slur, that seems to be the default position these types always take. But "eugenicist" is a new one for me.

We don't hear much about alien abduction anymore.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6483 on: January 31, 2021, 08:05:57 am »

I knew that anti-vaxxers didn't like Bill Gates so I'm not surprised at the "satanic pedophile" slur, that seems to be the default position these types always take. But "eugenicist" is a new one for me.

Well, someone said it on social media so it must be true.

Who are these people?

Wife to husband: "I think I'll go down to Dodger Stadium with my anti-vaxxer friends and carry around a sign that says Bill Gates is a satanic pedophile eugenicist, and get take-out on the way home. I'll be back around five o'clock."

Husband to wife: "Have fun. I'm meeting up with Bob and Charlie down at the gun show, and then we are going back to Bob's to work on our QAnon costumes for the riot at the Capitol in D.C. next week."

Wife to husband: "Don't forget to lock the kids in the closet before you leave."
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« Reply #6484 on: January 31, 2021, 08:12:10 am »

Now the anti-vaxxers staged a demonstration and shutdown a COVID vaccination site at Dodgers Stadium in Los Angeles.


In general I'm not in favour of the police beating people with with sticks and spraying them with nasty chemicals.  But I may be prepared to make an exception in this case.
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« Reply #6485 on: January 31, 2021, 09:52:07 am »

In general I'm not in favour of the police beating people with with sticks and spraying them with nasty chemicals.  But I may be prepared to make an exception in this case.

It has never been clear to me why anti-vaxxers demonstrate publicly. If you don't want to be vaccinated then don't.

This whole area is weird though. I know several people who for years have refused to get flu shots. This has been a minor irritant for us because my wife is asthmatic so needs to be extra careful about contracting anything. We try to avoid those people during flu season, because they have often gotten sick when we haven't. Apparently that fact alone is not enough evidence for them. None of them are otherwise anti-science but they cite several incoherent reasons for their decision. Yet they are all waiting anxiously for the Covid vaccine. Life is a mystery.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6486 on: January 31, 2021, 11:13:45 am »

Ten Senate Republicans propose compromise covid relief package, request meeting with Biden

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/01/31/gop-stimulus-compromise/

Biden has proposed a $1.9 billion COVID relief package which the Republicans aren't too keen on. So, in the spirit of unity, ten Senate Republicans are offering up a $600 million package. It is a little unclear to me how that is in the spirit of unity. Let's agree to what I want in the spirit of unity does not sound like a winning strategy to me.
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« Reply #6487 on: January 31, 2021, 12:31:24 pm »

Also in the spirit of unity, all of the <insert usual suspects here> seem to have abandoned ship.

WWG1WGA, I guess.
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« Reply #6488 on: January 31, 2021, 01:08:55 pm »

Also in the spirit of unity, all of the <insert usual suspects here> seem to have abandoned ship.

Hopefully not. Hopefully they are busy working on the trolley problem and thinking about vaccination priorities.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6489 on: January 31, 2021, 01:55:19 pm »

It has never been clear to me why anti-vaxxers demonstrate publicly. If you don't want to be vaccinated then don't.

This whole area is weird though. I know several people who for years have refused to get flu shots. This has been a minor irritant for us because my wife is asthmatic so needs to be extra careful about contracting anything. We try to avoid those people during flu season, because they have often gotten sick when we haven't. Apparently that fact alone is not enough evidence for them. None of them are otherwise anti-science but they cite several incoherent reasons for their decision. Yet they are all waiting anxiously for the Covid vaccine. Life is a mystery.

Actually, that's no so surprising. One reason could be that the Covid vaccine is much more effective than the flu vaccine. And also the consequences of falling ill with covid are more fatal than with flu.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6490 on: January 31, 2021, 03:07:46 pm »

About covid in Israel; Israel is very fast with their vaccinations, but they need to.
Orthodox jews do not follow any rules to prevent getting infected , and Netanyahu does nothing  against it .
(they are a big political support)
Today there was a funeral of an important orthodox church member;
The orthodox jews are 10% of the population and 40% of the infected
https://nos.nl/artikel/2366834-begrafenis-ultra-orthodoxe-rabbijn-trekt-ondanks-lockdown-duizenden-bezoekers.html
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6491 on: January 31, 2021, 03:20:14 pm »

In general I'm not in favour of the police beating people with with sticks and spraying them with nasty chemicals.  But I may be prepared to make an exception in this case.

I hate to say it, but from a personal perspective, I have to disagree about cops beating people with sticks. As a longtime newspaper reporter, I somewhat specialized in riots. When there was going to be a riot, I was the one they sent, and I generally enjoyed them. High point: During the '72 political conventions in Miami Beach (both the Dems and Reps held their conventions there) I had a long and interesting conversation with Allen Ginsberg, whose "Howl" was one of my favorite poems. Ginsberg was sitting in the middle of a major intersection with a couple of hundred other people being beaten up by Florida highway patrolmen and thrown into rental trucks to be taken off to jail. But, we talked about the early days with City Lights Booksellers, Lawrence Ferlinghetti and that whole crowd. (I tried to be a beatnik in high school and read all those guys.) I ran into Ginsberg a couple of times during my reporting career, and found him an intelligent, thoughtful guy across a whole range of subjects. Low Point: when an old (but strong) man tried to strangle me with my camera strap during a race riot in Cairo Illinois in the late 60s. Gotta stay away from those elderly bigots. The most important thing about going to riots is learning where to stand, which is to the side of cops, or behind them, but never in front.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #6492 on: January 31, 2021, 03:20:27 pm »

Orthodox jews do not follow any rules to prevent getting infected , and Netanyahu does nothing  against it .
As one raised "Jew Lite" all I can say is, substitute Orthodox Jews for Texans in this old joke:
You know the good part about all those executions in Texas? Fewer Texans. -George Carlin  ;D
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« Reply #6493 on: January 31, 2021, 03:52:32 pm »

Three lawyers on Trump’s legal team for the second impeachment trial have bailed on him.
Even better; apparently it's now at least 5 on the team. I guess working for a guy known not to pay for work, and trying to defend the indefensible was a bridge too far for these "pro's":
Trump loses his impeachment team amid unfaltering loyalty from the GOP
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-marjorie-taylor-greene-gop/index.html
Time to pay Giuliani?  ::)
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« Reply #6494 on: January 31, 2021, 04:18:52 pm »

The only thing Trump's lawyer needs to say following the House Managers' presentation is: "The defense rests". Then they vote, and Trump is acquitted. The only thing of significance in the trial is the names of the senators voting to acquit.
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« Reply #6495 on: January 31, 2021, 06:51:56 pm »

In case you did not get enough exaggerations and aspirational statements from Trump as president, here are a few current ones he makes about his properties. .

Here Are The Lies Trump Is Now Telling About His Business

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/01/31/the-trump-organizations-website-is-full-of-falsehoods/

I seriously doubt there are actually 750ml in a bottle of wine from Trump Winery.
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« Reply #6496 on: January 31, 2021, 08:15:12 pm »

During the '72 political conventions in Miami Beach (both the Dems and Reps held their conventions there) I had a long and interesting conversation with Allen Ginsberg, whose "Howl" was one of my favorite poems.

Aha!  I was there as well, but only for the Democratic convention.  My most vivid memories of that week are of getting soaked each afternoon in the inevitable thunderstorms and sitting up all night during the platform debate, drinking whiskey and becoming increasingly droopy-eyed with a more experienced colleague who had drawn the short straw and who consequently also had to listen to the loopy-left partisans peddle their interminable platform proposals at hours when the party leadership was hoping nobody except booze-drenched reporters would be paying attention.

I missed the subsequent Republican convention because another colleague, assigned to travel with George McGovern, had a last-minute family emergency.  At four o'clock in the morning following the last day of the convention, I was awakened in my hotel room by calls, first from him and then from an editor in Washington, informing me that I would be flying out to South Dakota with the candidate.  As a consequence, I was there to report the Tom Eagleton story.  (For those of you too young to remember, Google it.)  Not a bad introduction to political reporting for a kid.  I really had no idea what I was doing, but I enjoyed every minute of it.
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« Reply #6497 on: January 31, 2021, 09:41:08 pm »

In case you did not get enough exaggerations and aspirational statements from Trump as president, here are a few current ones he makes about his properties. .

Here Are The Lies Trump Is Now Telling About His Business

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/01/31/the-trump-organizations-website-is-full-of-falsehoods/


Maybe they're including the parking levels. :)

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« Reply #6498 on: January 31, 2021, 09:44:44 pm »

Three lawyers on Trump’s legal team for the second impeachment trial have bailed on him. I didn’t even know he had any yet. I guess he has a week or so to scrounge up some more. Fortunately for him, since 45 Republicans have already voted that the trial is unconstitutional, he could hire the Three Stooges and he will still be acquitted.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/trumps-impeachment-lawyer-leaves-team-464017

Update:

Per a NYT story, it is actually five lawyers who have quit. Now, the Three Stooges won't be enough; he'll need to hire the Marx Brothers.

Everything is ok after all, there's a new legal team in place, https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/536695-trump-announces-new-impeachment-legal-team-after-resignations. No Rudy. I hope they waited for the retainer cheque to clear before committing to anything.
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« Reply #6499 on: January 31, 2021, 09:56:24 pm »

Ms Greene is doubling down! https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/31/marjorie-taylor-greene-georgia-gop-cringes-464170. Don't you love the mask she's wearing?

Trump told her she's a rising star. Careful Ms Greene, others have travelled down that same path.

According to that article, she claims to have raised a lot of funds based on her recent performance. At first blush that might seem like a bad thing to her opponents, but I'm not so sure. They should wait to see if she can actually do anything useful with the money. She may not.

Another article I saw reported that an anti-Trump GOP PAC has been created, so the internecine strife isn't over. Is anyone surprised that Trump left a mess behind? I bet his room mates constantly complained about him not doing his share of the dishes.  :)
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