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« Reply #4080 on: December 15, 2020, 03:59:15 am »

FYI, I am not religious, an atheist actually, and I do not sing.  Why is it that every liberal thinks that those of us who disagree with these lockdowns are religious?  My God, how prejudice of you Andrew. 

What is the connection, in your head, between being "liberal" and advocating lockdowns?  How prejudice of you!

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Yes, people are dying of C-19, along with depression and addiction and spousal abuse and child abuse and suicide and so many other things under the bus that you, and so many on the left, simply ignore in your one point analysis of the situation.  And when this is all over, people will continue to die of these things due to lingering side effects of the lockdowns, which do not need to be mandatory.  We went from 0 to 100 overnight on these things after ignoring everything in between, and not because they work.  It is hysteria, nothing more, and a self feed back loop between Dems and the press. 

There have been plenty of studies showing no correlation to lockdowns and stopping the decease. 

BS.  The relation between lockdowns and infection rates is clear, and shows that there is no degree of  herd immunity built up.
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I will be living my life from this point on. 

Good for you, Joe. Too bad for the 300,000 who won't be living any life at all from this point on, but it's just you who matters, I know.
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« Reply #4081 on: December 15, 2020, 04:41:11 am »

Reports that Russian intelligence operatives have hacked sensitive networks including America’s Treasury and Commerce Departments - thought to be the latest highly sophisticated attack in a broader Russian campaign. So reassuring to think that the 'soon-to-be-gone' POTUS saw best, a few weeks ago, to remove Chris Krebs (the head of cyber-security) for the treasonable offence of publicly affirming the integrity of the presidential election.

Way to go, POTUS.
To quote (the long departed from this forum) Jeff Schewe 'Don't let the door hit you on the way out'.
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« Reply #4082 on: December 15, 2020, 07:17:49 am »

I am too (I prefer to call myself a 'none'; less baggage).

Out of your entire post, this is the only aspect I found to be informative.  "None" does sound better. 
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« Reply #4083 on: December 15, 2020, 07:30:40 am »

PS, the economics are pointless if you're dead. Or very, very ill (and have no insurance), or you found out, you infected your 90 year old mother, and she died. As expected, you're only concerned with yourself, even in an analogy with a car crash. If you don't die in that crash, but it was your fault (cause you were drinking), and killed 5 others, of course, as far as you're concerned; no but woop.
Can you tell us if there's anyone besides yourself you actually care about?  :'(

First, I don't drink and drive, and comparing drinking and driving to going out during C-19 is nonsense.  You may think that it is best to shut down the world, but real economic damage from it will effect generations.  Furthermore, I also do not think forcing 90 year mom into isolation so she can die alone instead of allowing her to have company is really all that nice either. 

If safety was truly first, we would not be were we are today.  We would still be living in the stone age, since every innovation has brought with it death.  Better to just avoid everything then chance it, right? 

And yes, there are people I care about, such as my wife, my parents, my in-laws, friends, etc.  all of whom (with the exception of my mother in law and brother) feel most of this is uncalled for.  I also care for all of the small business owners and those who work for them getting their lives destroyed, right before Christmas, who want to "just make a buck," as my brother put it. 

But hey, if you work for Walmart or Target, I guess you're fine, since they are just providing all of the services many small businesses did until just now.  How nice of the Dems to give such a wind fall to big business. 

"Oh praise the heavens they’re at Target and not a small mom and pop store, otherwise they’d be super spreaders."  Friend of mine. 
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« Reply #4084 on: December 15, 2020, 08:08:43 am »

Joe, you just don't get it.

It's not about just you. It's about you and another x million like you, who wantonly disregard common sense and facilitate the wildfire spread of the virus.

Look over at London, UK, where they too thought to be invulnerable and, hey presto, you're on full alert, hospitals close to breaking point and infections on an exponential rise.

It don't need no PhD.
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« Reply #4085 on: December 15, 2020, 09:29:56 am »

Joe, you just don't get it.

It's not about just you. It's about you and another x million like you, who wantonly disregard common sense and facilitate the wildfire spread of the virus.

Look over at London, UK, where they too thought to be invulnerable and, hey presto, you're on full alert, hospitals close to breaking point and infections on an exponential rise.

It don't need no PhD.

Indeed, it is beyond comprehension that, nearly 1 year after the start of this crisis, there are still people that deny science and the measures that mitigate the spread of the infection. I know that denying evidence is popular these days, but trumpvid-19 seems to have spread and is affecting reasoning of several million people.

As for combating the impact in the economy, it is simply a matter of governments providing the required support to businesses. Even in lowly Portugal, we are doing that with some success.

Unfortunately, most governments only care about their own navel, the immediate soundbite, and lack the long term perspective and strategy that this crisis requires.

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« Reply #4086 on: December 15, 2020, 09:51:26 am »

Indeed, it is beyond comprehension that, nearly 1 year after the start of this crisis, there are still people that deny science and the measures that mitigate the spread of the infection. I know that denying evidence is popular these days, but trumpvid-19 seems to have spread and is affecting reasoning of several million people.

As for combating the impact in the economy, it is simply a matter of governments providing the required support to businesses. Even in lowly Portugal, we are doing that with some success.

Unfortunately, most governments only care about their own navel, the immediate soundbite, and lack the long term perspective and strategy that this crisis requires.
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« Reply #4087 on: December 15, 2020, 09:53:22 am »


Look over at London, UK, where they too thought to be invulnerable and, hey presto, you're on full alert, hospitals close to breaking point and infections on an exponential rise.


Yes our lying mini-Trump had a meeting in September with 3 leading  lockdown-deniers and the "finance minister" and then went against medical advice and over-ruled recommendations for a "fire break" lockdown in order to keep shops open for Christmas. With the results we now see.
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« Reply #4088 on: December 15, 2020, 09:55:23 am »

Yes our lying mini-Trump had a meeting in September with 3 leading  lockdown-deniers and the "finance minister" and then went against medical advice and over-ruled recommendations for a "fire break" lockdown in order to keep shops open for Christmas. With the results we now see.
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« Reply #4089 on: December 15, 2020, 10:04:10 am »

Are you still working and getting paid?

Yes I am. A large fraction of those not working are also getting paid. I realise you see government involvement in the economy as anathema, so I imagine you prefer people die rather than take a government handout.
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« Reply #4090 on: December 15, 2020, 10:23:59 am »

Yes I am. A large fraction of those not working are also getting paid. I realise you see government involvement in the economy as anathema, so I imagine you prefer people to die rather than take a government handout.
You're one of the lucky ones who can still earn a living and buy food and pay rent. There are many people who can't.  People who own small businesses are particularly hurt.  They could lose everything they worked for and saved to start their little business.  How will they earn a living if their businesses fail, a scenario for thousands of businesses and millions of people?  We can't forget about those people either.  Then there are those who are employed by these businesses.  What jobs will be available after the businesses they work for shut for good?  Many of these people are minorities or just plain people who have little, to begin with. Who pays the real estate owners the rent on their stores so they can pay their real estate taxes and their mortgages? So now their saving and incomes go down the drain as well.  All this drop in business reduces income the government makes from taxes to pay to support people who need help.  Everyone is hurt.

Governments around the world are faced with trying to balance safety and economics.  Why do liberals always use guilt as an argument rather than reason and honest concern for their fellow man? 

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« Reply #4091 on: December 15, 2020, 10:30:34 am »

You're one of the lucky ones who can still earn a living and buy food and pay rent. There are many people who can't.  People who own small businesses are particularly hurt.  They could lose everything they worked for and saved to start their little business.  How will they earn a living if their businesses fail, a scenario for thousands of businesses and millions of people?  We can't forget about those people either.  Then there are those who are employed by these businesses.  What jobs will be available after the businesses they work for shut for good?  Many of these people are minorities or just plain people who have little, to begin with. Who pays the real estate owners the rent on their stores so they can pay their real estate taxes and their mortgages? So now their saving and incomes go down the drain as well.  All this drop in business reduces income the government makes from taxes to pay to support people who need help.  Everyone is hurt.

Governments around the world are faced with trying to balance safety and economics.  Why do liberals always use guilt as an argument rather than reason and honest concern for their fellow man?

Why are you talking about "liberals"? What does guilt have to do with anything? People will get hurt financially, that's unavoidable. But letting the virus rip won't ultimately help people financially, it'll just lead to more dead people. That is the reasoned argument. If you have an alternative way to combat the disease that keeps the economy booming and avoids deaths, let's hear it.  We're waiting.
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« Reply #4092 on: December 15, 2020, 10:46:13 am »

As for combating the impact in the economy, it is simply a matter of governments providing the required support to businesses. Even in lowly Portugal, we are doing that with some success.
Exactly! In the US, we can print money, the gov can give massive tax cuts to the rich, they can spend billions on the military (just look at last years budget). Aircraft Carriers are expensive and in this war USELESS.

How many Americans have died from Covid-19 in 10 months compared to the last couple wars we've fought and paid for?

The US gov can pay people to quarantine. They can. The utter lack of leadership on Covid-19, far worse since November 3rd election is shocking and sad. The rotted fish head at the top really wants the job but is incapable of doing it. He loves to go to rallies but he can't lead. And, 300,000 dead Americans and counting isn't good for the economy. People, well the smarter ones in the herd, don't want to go out and shop, dine, workout in gyms when people all around them get sick and die. The dumber ones (gotta have that Brisket), they will and then complain about shutdowns, when the absolute fact is, quarantines stop the spread of infectious viruses. That's simple science.
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« Reply #4093 on: December 15, 2020, 10:46:30 am »

Are you still working and getting paid?
You still getting paid by the US for not working?
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« Reply #4094 on: December 15, 2020, 10:53:48 am »

Why are you talking about "liberals"? What does guilt have to do with anything? People will get hurt financially, that's unavoidable. But letting the virus rip won't ultimately help people financially, it'll just lead to more dead people. That is the reasoned argument. If you have an alternative way to combat the disease that keeps the economy booming and avoids deaths, let's hear it.  We're waiting.
No one's "letting it rip". Each of the fifty governors in the USA is trying to find a balance between shutting things down totally and "letting it rip". There are no simple solutions.  It's really on the horns of a dilemma.

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« Reply #4095 on: December 15, 2020, 10:55:23 am »

No one's "letting it rip". Each of the fifty governors in the USA is trying to find a balance between shutting things down totally and "letting it rip". There are no simple solutions.  It's really on the horns of a dilemma.

So what's your point? Why are you waffling on about "liberals" and "guilt" ??
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« Reply #4096 on: December 15, 2020, 10:58:45 am »

So what's your point? Why are you waffling on about "liberals" and "guilt" ??
"We" know why he's waffling by now, after all these pages of his posting agenda.
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« Reply #4097 on: December 15, 2020, 11:01:53 am »

So what's your point? Why are you waffling on about "liberals" and "guilt" ??
You're the one accusing those in authority who are making decisions the best they can as being immoral.  Yet, you offer no practical solutions.  You sit in your armchair collecting your salary telling others they should starve and those trying to help those people as being spiritually bankrupt.  Somehow, you're smarter than 50 governors.

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« Reply #4098 on: December 15, 2020, 11:12:47 am »

Are you still making a paycheck?

Yes. And your point is? In Portugal, in 2020 the number of unemployed people has increased by 100,000. Of course there is an impact in the economy, but the government is supporting both individuals and businesses. The EU has approved a help package of 750,000,000,000 EUR.

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« Reply #4099 on: December 15, 2020, 11:15:54 am »

Why are you talking about "liberals"? What does guilt have to do with anything? People will get hurt financially, that's unavoidable. But letting the virus rip won't ultimately help people financially, it'll just lead to more dead people. That is the reasoned argument. If you have an alternative way to combat the disease that keeps the economy booming and avoids deaths, let's hear it.  We're waiting.

Trying to engage Alan in a logical discussion is impossible. Feels like groundhog day... 1 year has elapsed and he has not moved on from his fixed ideas.
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