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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3820 on: December 10, 2020, 11:26:28 am »

All four cases were denied at the District Court level, and are now on appeal in the various Circuit Courts of Appeal. They will likely be denied there as well. The next step would be the Supreme Court, which likely either won't take them or summarily deny them. Then the kraken will slide back underwater.

Sidney Powell’s Voter Fraud Claims Fail In All Battleground States As Arizona And Wisconsin Judges Reject Cases

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/09/sidney-powells-voter-fraud-claims-fail-for-third-time-as-arizona-judge-rejects-case/?sh=ab376191993f

The other case to watch is the case filed by the Texas attorney general against four battleground states alleging fraud. I haven't seen the pleadings, so I am not sure the basis on which it alleges it has standing to bring the case. Trump has sought to intervene in the cases and is represented by John Eastman, a law professor at a law school ranked 111th in a list of best law schools in the US. 17 other states attorneys general have filed what is call an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief. They have not actually joined the suit, but are submitting a brief to throw in their two cents. Legal experts have called the lawsuit laughable. Who knows what will happen.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3821 on: December 10, 2020, 12:39:39 pm »

That Texas AG is a real POS. He filed a lawsuit against the county I live in to object to Covid restrictions back in the spring apparently as a favor for his cronies.
Hopefully this one will end similarly to the one he filed against us.
https://coloradosun.com/2020/04/29/ken-paxton-gunnison-county-colorado/
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« Reply #3822 on: December 10, 2020, 03:04:57 pm »

The other case to watch is the case filed by the Texas attorney general against four battleground states alleging fraud. I haven't seen the pleadings, so I am not sure the basis on which it alleges it has standing to bring the case.

Texas is invoking the original jurisdiction of the Supreme Court—the procedural constitutional provision that makes the Supreme Court the trier of fact as well as law in cases where a state is a party—alleging various violations by the defendant states of the substantive provisions that apply to the election of the president and vice president.  The standing argument is somewhat labored, but in essence it is that the impact of the votes cast in Texas would be diluted if the votes in the defendant states were cast improperly.

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« Reply #3823 on: December 10, 2020, 05:32:20 pm »

Israel and Morocco establish diplomatic relations, the fourth after United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan groomed by Trump and all handled by his "do-nothing" son-in-law Jarad Kushner.  Now that the election is over, CNN seems to be getting up to speed with reporting the real news.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/10/politics/trump-israel-morocco/index.html

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« Reply #3824 on: December 10, 2020, 05:38:17 pm »

It seems CNN continues to report news they should have reported before the election.  Instead of accusing the wrong kids, Trump's in particular, they should have gone after Biden's.
Hunter is being investigated for money laundering and tax evasion relating to his work in China.  I still think CNN is whitewashing it. I wonder if Joe Biden is vulnerable to Chinese blackmail?
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https://nypost.com/2020/12/10/ric-grenell-calls-out-cnns-jake-tapper-for-belatedly-covering-hunter-biden-story/

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« Reply #3825 on: December 10, 2020, 05:49:47 pm »

If a state's government chooses to organize its election in such a sloppy way that  unverifiable  ballots are co-mingled with verifiable ones (poisoned well concept), should the US Supreme Court intervene? Or should each state be allowed to decide for itself how much error risk it is willing to accept with its own  vote count process?  My guess is the SCOTUS will likely side with states' rights on this matter, even if a state violated its own laws.

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« Reply #3826 on: December 10, 2020, 06:16:01 pm »

If a state's government chooses to organize its election in such a sloppy way that  unverifiable  ballots are co-mingled with verifiable ones (poisoned well concept), should the US Supreme Court intervene? Or should each state be allowed to decide for itself how much error risk it is willing to accept with its own  vote count process?  My guess is the SCOTUS will likely side with states' rights on this matter, even if a state violated its own laws.


The Supreme Court will stay out of it. They have no desire to decide presidential elections or get their own court packed by Democrats.

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« Reply #3827 on: December 10, 2020, 06:23:15 pm »

It was just announced that the FDA advisory panel voted to recommend the Pfizer vaccine for approval.
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« Reply #3828 on: December 10, 2020, 06:39:58 pm »

Israel and Morocco establish diplomatic relations, the fourth after United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan groomed by Trump and all handled by his "do-nothing" son-in-law Jarad Kushner.  Now that the election is over, CNN seems to be getting up to speed with reporting the real news.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/10/politics/trump-israel-morocco/index.html
It always has, you just select what you want to believe is real and what is fake (based on what Trump tells you). Nothing new here.
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« Reply #3829 on: December 10, 2020, 06:49:49 pm »

It seems CNN continues to report news they should have reported before the election.  Instead of accusing the wrong kids, Trump's in particular, they should have gone after Biden's.

When Hunter is a senior advisor to the President I'll be concerned.

What do you suppose those preemptive pardons that are being discussed for the Trump kids are for? Being lawful?
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« Reply #3830 on: December 10, 2020, 06:58:47 pm »

Israel and Morocco establish diplomatic relations, the fourth after United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan groomed by Trump and all handled by his "do-nothing" son-in-law Jarad Kushner.  Now that the election is over, CNN seems to be getting up to speed with reporting the real news.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/10/politics/trump-israel-morocco/index.html

So we agree to acknowledge Morocco’s rights in the Western Sahara, and they agree to normalize relations with Israel. And oh by the way there is a 23 billion dollar arms deal thrown in for good measure.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/10/inhofe-slams-trump-administration-on-western-sahara-policy-444459

There was a 23 billion dollar arms deal in the agreement for the UAE to normalize relations with Israel too.

Sounds more like arms sales are the driver, not Middle East peace. Morocco isn’t even in the Middle East.
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« Reply #3831 on: December 10, 2020, 07:05:29 pm »

So we agree to acknowledge Morocco’s rights in the Western Sahara, and they agree to normalize relations with Israel. And oh by the way there is a 23 billion dollar arms deal thrown in for good measure.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/10/inhofe-slams-trump-administration-on-western-sahara-policy-444459
And meanwhile, when 3000 Americans died in one day, yesterday, and over 105 thousand are in hospitals from Covid-19, Alan, like Trump wants to bring up silliness like Morocco and ignore the elephant in our room. That's the news they want to pay attention to? Absurd.
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« Reply #3832 on: December 10, 2020, 07:11:17 pm »

And meanwhile, when 3000 Americans died in one day, yesterday, and over 105 thousand are in hospitals from Covid-19, Alan, like Trump wants to bring up silliness like Morocco and ignore the elephant in our room. That's the news they want to pay attention to? Absurd.

For a little perspective, we lost 2501 on D-Day and 2605 on 9/11.
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« Reply #3833 on: December 10, 2020, 07:35:02 pm »

Israel and Morocco establish diplomatic relations, the fourth after United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan groomed by Trump and all handled by his "do-nothing" son-in-law Jarad Kushner.  Now that the election is over, CNN seems to be getting up to speed with reporting the real news.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/10/politics/trump-israel-morocco/index.html
Alan is not paying attention but not all Republicans are happy at all:

GOP chairman calls Trump's Western Sahara deal 'shocking and deeply disappointing'
In a statement Thursday, Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) said he applauds Trump’s “unprecedented efforts to foster recognition between Israel and Arab nations through the Abraham Accords” but he called the decision on the Western Sahara “shocking and deeply disappointing.”
“I am saddened that the rights of the Western Saharan people have been traded away,” he said. “The president has been poorly advised by his team; he could have made this deal without trading the rights of a voiceless people.”

Must be a Rino Alan.....
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« Reply #3834 on: December 10, 2020, 07:37:31 pm »

Israel and Morocco establish diplomatic relations, the fourth after United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan groomed by Trump and all handled by his "do-nothing" son-in-law Jarad Kushner.  Now that the election is over, CNN seems to be getting up to speed with reporting the real news.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/10/politics/trump-israel-morocco/index.html

Hey Alan...great to see you watching something other than Fox News...or has Fox News turned on Trump lately?
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« Reply #3835 on: December 10, 2020, 08:44:38 pm »

Hey Alan...great to see you watching something other than Fox News...or has Fox News turned on Trump lately?
I was surprised to see CNN reporting it.  But it's after the election so maybe they turned their bias off a little.

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« Reply #3836 on: December 10, 2020, 08:46:03 pm »

I was surprised to see CNN reporting it.  But it's after the election so maybe they turned their bias off a little.
More unfounded speculations.
I guess he never did find that photography forum after all.  :'(
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« Reply #3837 on: December 10, 2020, 09:06:29 pm »

When Hunter is a senior advisor to the President I'll be concerned.

What do you suppose those preemptive pardons that are being discussed for the Trump kids are for? Being lawful?
Sounds like whataboutism. In any case, Trump's kids were not charged with anything.  Biden's was. What involvement did Joe have?  Did he do anything untoward the Chinese have on him?  Everyone was concerned the Russians had something on Trump.  But with their guy as president, the same posible issue is ignored.  Why?  It's all phony politics.

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« Reply #3838 on: December 10, 2020, 09:14:50 pm »

Sounds like whataboutism. In any case, Trump's kids were not charged with anything.  Biden's was.
Tell us what he was charged with Alan.
Someone explain to Alan an investigation is not a charge (yet).
Jump to conclusions much Alan?
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« Reply #3839 on: December 10, 2020, 09:24:03 pm »

If a state's government chooses to organize its election in such a sloppy way that  unverifiable  ballots are co-mingled with verifiable ones (poisoned well concept),

Since that didn't occur in any state, it's a moot point.

should the US Supreme Court intervene?

There's no basis for the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene.

Or should each state be allowed to decide for itself how much error risk it is willing to accept with its own  vote count process?

The U.S. Constitution gives to the individual states the duty of deciding their own election processes including the contesting of elections. The role of the federal government is extremely limited. What kind of additional federal control of your state's elections would you want?

My guess is the SCOTUS will likely side with states' rights on this matter

Given the lack of any basis for the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene, that's a safe bet.

even if a state violated its own laws.

None did so, but each state has a legal process to determine and contest both elections and election processes. Only if federal laws or federal constitutional issues are asserted, would a federal court consider whether or not to hear a case. Given the difficulties of overcoming the issues of standing and justiciability under the political question doctrine, there is little likelihood of a case surviving beyond an initial hearing before being dismissed.
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