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« Reply #3760 on: December 07, 2020, 07:19:58 pm »

Operation Warp Speed passed on ordering extra dilithium crystals for its warp nacelles.

Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/feds-passed-chance-lock-pfizer-vaccine-doses-74595160
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« Reply #3761 on: December 07, 2020, 09:15:20 pm »

Michael Flynn, Trump's former national security advisor, who lied to the FBI about pre-inauguration contacts with Russia, and who Trump pardoned a couple of weeks ago, is on his post pardon book tour, and has gone full QAnon:

"Former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn called into a QAnon conspiracy theory podcast on Friday, but said that he could only speak for a few minutes. He had a surprising reason to cut the call short, he explained. He was avoiding assassins and had to stay on the move."

“I gotta make sure I’m a moving target, because these sons-of-a-guns, they’re after me, in a literal and a figurative sense,” Flynn said."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/michael-flynn-goes-full-qanon-in-his-post-pardon-media-tour

Did I mention that Sidney Powell, the kraken lawyer, was his lawyer as well.

This is the guy some around here want me to leave alone because he has gone through so much. Poor Michael Flynn. The martyr of Trump World.

Whoah.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3762 on: December 08, 2020, 08:14:48 am »

Snopes.com is a fact checking site. I have an irrational aversion to it because Snopes is the family name of some pretty unsavory characters in several of William Faulkner's novels. Anyway, today's fact check is whether Joe Biden’s walking boot is concealing a GPS ankle bracelet. To everyone's great surprise, the answer is no. It's all part of a conspiracy theory, though I am not sure what the conspiracy is. Snopes didn't really say.

I had to wear a walking boot once. I was practicing putting at the golf course, and as I was returning to the clubhouse, I stepped in a hole. I knew I was in trouble and immediately limped over to the parking lot and got in my car. By the time I got home my ankle was about the size of a watermelon. I was in a boot for about six weeks. I know everyone is really glad I shared that story this morning. It probably made your day.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-walking-boot-gps/
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« Reply #3763 on: December 08, 2020, 08:26:17 am »

More left-wing violence - those old folks can pack a mean punch !!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/08/fort-worth-texas-police-elderly-black-couple

Whatever happened to "one riot, one ranger"?  Are Texans getting soft?
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« Reply #3764 on: December 08, 2020, 08:30:35 am »

Snopes.com is a fact checking site. I have an irrational aversion to it because Snopes is the family name of some pretty unsavory characters in several of William Faulkner's novels. Anyway, today's fact check is whether Joe Biden’s walking boot is concealing a GPS ankle bracelet. To everyone's great surprise, the answer is no. It's all part of a conspiracy theory, though I am not sure what the conspiracy is. Snopes didn't really say.

I had to wear a walking boot once. I was practicing putting at the golf course, and as I was returning to the clubhouse, I stepped in a hole. I knew I was in trouble and immediately limped over to the parking lot and got in my car. By the time I got home my ankle was about the size of a watermelon. I was in a boot for about six weeks. I know everyone is really glad I shared that tory this morning. It probably made your day.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-walking-boot-gps/

It just keeps coming.

I wonder if there is a researcher somewhere trying to develop a model of society to predict at what point its internal bullsh*t overcomes the power of collective reason, leading to that culture's collapse. I'm thinking Easter Island level collapse. When everyone went to work every day then came home to watch Leave it to Beaver and Bonanza, they could go though life more or less ignoring the nonsense in the National Enquirer about alien abduction. But now that people relate to the world via uncurated (or badly curated) (or malevolently curated) "social" media, the nonsense might simply be too invasive. We may not be evolutionarily armed to withstand this level of attack. I mean, if suddenly 3/4s of your neighbours tell you they've been abducted by aliens, maybe the only way to make sense of the fact that many people you know are insane is to believe the abduction story. What else could explain it? Maybe once we start receiving a thousand assaults of crazy per week, we can no longer resist. Maybe the situation is so beyond normal that it becomes reasonable to look for magical explanations. It's not encouraging.
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« Reply #3765 on: December 08, 2020, 08:53:18 am »

More left-wing violence - those old folks can pack a mean punch !!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/08/fort-worth-texas-police-elderly-black-couple

Whatever happened to "one riot, one ranger"?  Are Texans getting soft?

Although depressing as hell, you might be interested in this Joe Rogan podcast, https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Ev4gmWsNrBn8gSPomXrhK. The interview is mostly about wrongful convictions but does extend into the proliferation of no-knock warrants and the numerous errors that police make and that don't seem to ever be fixed. And Joe Rogan is not a "libtard" police hater.


While I'm here I was taken with another subject that was brought up earlier in this thread (I think it was here). The story was about how Trump is accelerating some cases on death row around the country, essentially moving forward the executions as quickly as possible in his remaining time. Why is it so important to him to do this? Was anyone calling for this? Is there widespread criticism of a slowdown in executions, because I haven't heard of any. Isn't it an American thing, that liberty is so important that it's better to let 99 people go free than to imprison one innocent man. The number of overturned cases in the US, due to over-zealous prosecution and inadequate legal representation, is quite high. Hurrying up some executions seems to be imprudent in this situation. Is it just the childish case of Trump not being able to do much but that he can do this. But crime in the US is a huge puzzle to me. You have so many in jail compared to other countries that I would have thought that you would have caught all the bad guys by now.

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« Reply #3766 on: December 08, 2020, 08:54:36 am »

More left-wing violence - those old folks can pack a mean punch !!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/08/fort-worth-texas-police-elderly-black-couple

Whatever happened to "one riot, one ranger"?  Are Texans getting soft?

I wonder how the Guardian gets these stories. They are usually pretty unflattering to the US. Not that they are untrue, mind you, just unflattering. I wonder if there is a corresponding US paper that posts unflattering stores about the UK. About the only news of the UK I see is about Brexit and the latest gossip about the royal family. I guess both of us probably have warp views of one another. But I will say that the Christmas decorations on the royal train did look pretty nice. Whoever was responsible for them probably didn't say who gives a fuck about Christmas decorations.
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« Reply #3767 on: December 08, 2020, 09:02:15 am »

I wonder how the Guardian gets these stories. They are usually pretty unflattering to the US. Not that they are untrue, mind you, just unflattering. I wonder if there is a corresponding US paper that posts unflattering stores about the UK. About the only news of the UK I see is about Brexit and the latest gossip about the royal family. I guess both of us probably have warp views of one another. But I will say that the Christmas decorations on the royal train did look pretty nice. Whoever was responsible for them probably didn't say who gives a fuck about Christmas decorations.

That's a good question. Maybe the Guardian has fluked into a niche and those stories get a lot of attention so they keep publishing them. You'd think they'd have their plates full covering British political sex scandals, there are lots of those. As an aside, I am a bit surprised that the notion of a sex scandal still exists. It's pretty obvious by now that lots of people will have sex with whomever happens to walk by next, why are we all seemingly still enthralled by these stories. Frequent promiscuous sex seems to be one of the perks of wealth and power, throughout history, are people still really surprised by this or are they just simply jealous?
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« Reply #3768 on: December 08, 2020, 09:06:54 am »

I wonder if there is a researcher somewhere trying to develop a model of society to predict at what point its internal bullsh*t overcomes the power of collective reason, leading to that culture's collapse. I'm thinking Easter Island level collapse. When everyone went to work every day then came home to watch Leave it to Beaver and Bonanza, they could go though life more or less ignoring the nonsense in the National Enquirer about alien abduction. But now that people relate to the world via uncurated (or badly curated) (or malevolently curated) "social" media, the nonsense might simply be too invasive. We may not be evolutionarily armed to withstand this level of attack. I mean, if suddenly 3/4s of your neighbours tell you they've been abducted by aliens, maybe the only way to make sense of the fact that many people you know are insane is to believe the abduction story. What else could explain it? Maybe once we start receiving a thousand assaults of crazy per week, we can no longer resist. Maybe the situation is so beyond normal that it becomes reasonable to look for magical explanations. It's not encouraging.

I blame Trump. It is all his fault. Everything is a lie. Half the country can't tell the difference between what is true and what is not. If we can contain him to Newsmax and OAN, there is the chance for a recovery. But that's just my opinion. I'm sure half the country disagrees. They think there is a GPS ankle bracelet inside Biden's walking boot and all the voting machines were rigged.
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« Reply #3769 on: December 08, 2020, 10:19:53 am »

That's a good question. Maybe the Guardian has fluked into a niche and those stories get a lot of attention so they keep publishing them.

Maybe the algorithm Google newsfeed applies to stories in the Guardian explains why these show up. Maybe I ought to try a VPN and see what I get.
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« Reply #3770 on: December 08, 2020, 10:34:07 am »

While I'm here I was taken with another subject that was brought up earlier in this thread (I think it was here). The story was about how Trump is accelerating some cases on death row around the country, essentially moving forward the executions as quickly as possible in his remaining time. Why is it so important to him to do this? Was anyone calling for this?

Nobody was complaining about a lack of executions. We had gone something like 17 years without one. I think Trump is just naturally vindictive. Back in 1989, he took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling for the reinstatement of the death penalty in connection with the Central Park Five, who were African-American and Hispanic teens accused of gang-raping and nearly killing a white woman in Central Park. They were tried, convicted and served 10-15 years before someone else whose DNA matched the crime scene confessed and they were exonerated.
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« Reply #3771 on: December 08, 2020, 10:56:35 am »

Beats me. I guess the Texas Attorney General got an invitation to a White House Christmas party or something. Or this is a kiss-ass move so he gets on the short list for Attorney General if Trump runs and wins in 2024.

Texas challenging election results in U.S. Supreme Court

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/08/texas-challenging-election-results-us-supreme-court/115118472/

"Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said he’s suing Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin directly in the U.S. Supreme Court, accusing the swing states of exploiting the coronavirus pandemic to sidestep federal and state election laws and pass last-minute changes to mail-in voting."
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« Reply #3772 on: December 08, 2020, 11:19:17 am »

I think Trump is just naturally vindictive.

No kidding.  It's one of his defining characteristics.



Where'd everybody go?  Jeez, even Alan's gone.
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« Reply #3773 on: December 08, 2020, 11:54:56 am »

That's a good question. Maybe the Guardian has fluked into a niche and those stories get a lot of attention so they keep publishing them. You'd think they'd have their plates full covering British political sex scandals, there are lots of those. As an aside, I am a bit surprised that the notion of a sex scandal still exists. It's pretty obvious by now that lots of people will have sex with whomever happens to walk by next, why are we all seemingly still enthralled by these stories. Frequent promiscuous sex seems to be one of the perks of wealth and power, throughout history, are people still really surprised by this or are they just simply jealous?

I'm not sure there is much shock about sex per se, but when the then Mayor of London has an affair with someone who later gets business advancement where they shouldn't, it's more about honesty than prudery. Likewise when the PM won't say how many children he has. Of course anyone expecting "Johnson" Johnson to be honest is a prime candidate for purchasing some swamp-prone real estate, but it's nice to dream of one day having a PM more honourable than, say, Berlusconi.
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« Reply #3774 on: December 08, 2020, 12:00:09 pm »

Jeez, even Alan's gone.
He must be ignoring himself now; not a bad move considering.....  :D
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« Reply #3775 on: December 08, 2020, 12:13:24 pm »

I wonder how the Guardian gets these stories. They are usually pretty unflattering to the US. Not that they are untrue, mind you, just unflattering. I wonder if there is a corresponding US paper that posts unflattering stores about the UK. About the only news of the UK I see is about Brexit and the latest gossip about the royal family. I guess both of us probably have warp views of one another. But I will say that the Christmas decorations on the royal train did look pretty nice. Whoever was responsible for them probably didn't say who gives a fuck about Christmas decorations.

The Guardian's anti-Americanism is mild compared to the Daily Mail, which my wife reads religiously. British newspapers are odd -- I've never really been able to figure out where they're coming from. When I'm in London, I enjoy reading them, for the novelty factor, though I mostly stick with The Telegraph. I'm particularly nonplussed by their attitude toward the Royals, and what they did to Meghan Markle. (That's maybe because I'm an American, and really don't care about any of the Royals, at any level, and basically think that anyone should agree to consider himself/herself a "subject" is bizarre in this modern age.) In any case, I suspect the Daily Mail has a policy of printing the three worst stories about America they can find, on a daily basis; and since the US is a nation of 330 million, there are always such stories to be had. And would be if they were writing about China or India or, for that matter, the EU. I think it may be a superiority complex left over from when sun never set on the British empire. Now that it hardly ever rises on the British empire, the noises from British newspapers seem lame.
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« Reply #3776 on: December 08, 2020, 12:24:12 pm »

The Guardian's anti-Americanism is mild compared to the Daily Mail, which my wife reads religiously. British newspapers are odd -- I've never really been able to figure out where they're coming from. When I'm in London, I enjoy reading them, for the novelty factor, though I mostly stick with The Telegraph. I'm particularly nonplussed by their attitude toward the Royals, and what they did to Meghan Markle. (That's maybe because I'm an American, and really don't care about any of the Royals, at any level, and basically think that anyone should agree to consider himself/herself a "subject" is bizarre in this modern age.) In any case, I suspect the Daily Mail has a policy of printing the three worst stories about America they can find, on a daily basis; and since the US is a nation of 330 million, there are always such stories to be had. And would be if they were writing about China or India or, for that matter, the EU. I think it may be a superiority complex left over from when sun never set on the British empire. Now that it hardly ever rises on the British empire, the noises from British newspapers seem lame.

My mother buys the Mail for the general knowledge crossword.  When I am visiting and go to the shop for her I need to hide it in a porn mag to avoid embarrassment.
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« Reply #3777 on: December 08, 2020, 01:00:11 pm »

I'm not sure there is much shock about sex per se, but when the then Mayor of London has an affair with someone who later gets business advancement where they shouldn't, it's more about honesty than prudery. Likewise when the PM won't say how many children he has. Of course anyone expecting "Johnson" Johnson to be honest is a prime candidate for purchasing some swamp-prone real estate, but it's nice to dream of one day having a PM more honourable than, say, Berlusconi.

Somewhat related is a recent podcast interview with the actor Hugh Grant on NPR's Fresh Air, https://www.npr.org/2020/12/01/940175187/no-more-mr-nice-guy-hugh-grant-embraces-the-blessed-relief-of-darker-roles. I knew very little about the guy and had no idea how involved he was in British political activism especially wrt to that phone tapping scandal a few years back involving Fleet Street, of which he was a favoured target. The part of the podcast that deals with his political work was fascinating to me as I knew very little about the relationship between the British press and its politicians. It was not pleasant to hear about. The entire podcast is an hour long and approx 15-20 min of it deals with those aspects, but the rest isn't bad either.
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« Reply #3778 on: December 08, 2020, 01:34:18 pm »

I believe she was the woman who was seated to Giuliani's left when he farted, so that solves that epidemiological issue.

Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis contracts coronavirus, source says

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/politics/jenna-ellis-coronavirus/index.html
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« Reply #3779 on: December 08, 2020, 02:11:40 pm »

I believe she was the woman who was seated to Giuliani's left when he farted, so that solves that epidemiological issue.

Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis contracts coronavirus, source says

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/politics/jenna-ellis-coronavirus/index.html

Now hang on a minute. She was closer to his face than his other end. :)

What about the lady who was on his right later in the proceedings, the one who sent sex tapes to her bf's ex?

They were not seated very far apart and were not wearing masks. Seems like needless risk-taking.
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