Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

OK, I'll respond to a classic Klein Whataboutism:  "Because the government believed that laws had been broken".  The end result of that trial is yet to be resolved due to the opinion that the judicial system probably can't indict a sitting president... 

 

[Alan Klein]

Rather than derisive, condescending emoji, how about a reasoned response?

It's all been already explained a thousand times in words.  Slobodan summed it up perfectly.

[digitaldog]

Sorry, it was only $32 million.  But what's a few million here and there? 

Especially when it's millions that are not yours and show your utter contempt for posting factual data/numbers? Busted again. Hole deeper. Really; how about doing some research before forming opinions and worse, posting them here only to be shown to be based on what is factually wrong.
Alternative facts indeed. But what's a few dozen or more mistakes with the fact here and here? 

[faberryman]

I found this on Wikipedia.  ICU's in America are only beat by a couple of countries.  America is lower down in hospital beds.  What I don't know is how they count beds.  In America, a hospital bed is in a single or double room with all the gasses and equipment, modern hospital beds, etc.. There are no wards any longer.  In other countries, they may count six beds just because there are six cots in a room.  So their counts could be higher but aren't modern and technologically furnished as in America and other modern countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

They may or they may not. They could be or they are not. Why are you sowing doubt on the numbers?  Do you need to denigrate other countries to increase your own sense of superiority. Maybe it is the US numbers that are suspect. Did that ever cross your mind? Maybe we are actually worse than 32nd in beds per 1000 people.

[Alan Klein]

Especially when it's millions that are not yours and show your utter contempt for posting factual data/numbers? Busted again. Hole deeper. Really; how about doing some research before forming opinions and worse, posting them here only to be shown to be based on what is factually wrong.
Alternative facts indeed. But what's a few dozen or more mistakes with the fact here and here? 

The $48 million came from a TV program I'm was watching. The issue isn't the money, whether it's $32 million or $48.  Another distinction without a difference just for you to start an argument about an unimportant point.

[pegelli]

Hey, <insert usual suspects here> please explain why you, to the tune of $170M (so far) agree with Trump’s attempts to subvert democracy and thwart the will of the American people? 

After all, you are, in fact, part of the American people.

I do understand that this is a leading question, but we are truly interested in your explanation.

If people are stupid enough to fall for the Trump et. al. conspiracy theories and in addition don't read the fine print that explains they're basically funding Trump's afterlife and not these frivolous lawsuits then I would let them "a fool and his money are soon parted"

What's more concerning is now one of his lawyers calling up for violence against an ex-government official who dared to call out the BS that Trump et. al are spewing, over here you would get disbarred for something like that but our freedom of speech laws do not allow for calls to commit acts of violence or other serious crimes.
 

[digitaldog]

I found this on Wikipedia.  ICU's in America are only beat by a couple of countries.  America is lower down in hospital beds.  What I don't know is how they count beds.  In America, a hospital bed is in a single or double room with all the gasses and equipment, modern hospital beds, etc.. There are no wards any longer.

In your mind!
https://www.doh.wa.gov/ForPublicHealthandHealthcareProviders/HealthcareProfessionsandFacilities/HealthcareAssociatedInfections/HAIReports/TypesofHospitalUnits
Non-Intensive Care Units

Non-Intensive Care Units often make up the majority of beds in a hospital and provide a lower level of care. These units may also be called wards. Some common kinds of non-ICU units are:

Neonatal units which provide care for ill premature infants and neonates
Women and infant health units which provide care before, during and after childbirth (perinatal) for mothers and for well newborn babies
Pediatric units which provide care for children younger than 19 years old
Post-critical care (or step down) units which care for patients no longer needing ICU level care
Oncology units which provide care for patients with cancer and immune system disorders
Surgical units which provide care for pre- and post-surgical patients, and/or which may specialize in certain types of surgery (like orthopedic joint surgery)
Medical units which provide care for conditions like stroke, heart attack, or pneumonia
Rehabilitation wards which provide care to improve mental or physical function after injury, trauma, stroke, or other acute neurologic condition
Long-term care wards which provide care to patients for an extended period of time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital
A hospital contains one or more wards that house hospital beds for inpatients.


3000 fraudulent votes Alan; Yes or no? Put your big boy pants on, unlike Trump and just go on record here with one, one apparent misstatement that has nothing to do with resolution and tell us; yes or no? Some can bypass the bit you posted on wards which has just been proven another misunderstanding. 

[Alan Klein]

They may or they may not. They could or they are not. Why are you sowing doubt on the numbers? Especially when the US is so clearly in the lead. Do you need to denigrate other countries to increases your own sense of superiority. It's sick.
 

I wasn't referring to ICU beds but to regular hospital beds.  Re-read my post.  And your constant personal attacks on me are getting unreasonable again.

[digitaldog]

Re-read my post.

I did. And once again, you screwed up your answers as it was exactly pasted from your text. And you got called out again. It's another sign of sloppy reading, comprehension then a resulting opinion which leads to posts that are so easy to correct and dismiss. Slow down. Up your Prevagen or something. 
Why are you sowing doubt on the numbers? Want to answer the question about voter fraud now? 

[Alan Klein]

In your mind!
https://www.doh.wa.gov/ForPublicHealthandHealthcareProviders/HealthcareProfessionsandFacilities/HealthcareAssociatedInfections/HAIReports/TypesofHospitalUnits
Non-Intensive Care Units

Non-Intensive Care Units often make up the majority of beds in a hospital and provide a lower level of care. These units may also be called wards. Some common kinds of non-ICU units are:

Neonatal units which provide care for ill premature infants and neonates
Women and infant health units which provide care before, during and after childbirth (perinatal) for mothers and for well newborn babies
Pediatric units which provide care for children younger than 19 years old
Post-critical care (or step down) units which care for patients no longer needing ICU level care
Oncology units which provide care for patients with cancer and immune system disorders
Surgical units which provide care for pre- and post-surgical patients, and/or which may specialize in certain types of surgery (like orthopedic joint surgery)
Medical units which provide care for conditions like stroke, heart attack, or pneumonia
Rehabilitation wards which provide care to improve mental or physical function after injury, trauma, stroke, or other acute neurologic condition
Long-term care wards which provide care to patients for an extended period of time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital
A hospital contains one or more wards that house hospital beds for inpatients.


3000 fraudulent votes Alan; Yes or no? Put your big boy pants on, unlike Trump and just go on record here with one, one apparent misstatement that has nothing to do with resolution and tell us; yes or no? Some can bypass the bit you posted on wards which has just been proven another misunderstanding. 

I've never been in hospital where regular beds for adult patients are more than one to two to a room.  Sure, in the ER and post-operative rooms there are more.  That's because special treatment is required at those times.  But I'm referring to regular recovery rooms.  So even there, the statistics in the Wikipedia chart don't break these out.  So it's hard to tell just how many rooms are for each type or how they're rated by each country.  Unless the Wiki article goes into deep details, which I have not explored.  If you wish to, please do and report back to us what you find.

[Alan Klein]

I did. And once again, you screwed up your answers as it was exactly pasted from your text. And you got called out again. It's another sign of sloppy reading, comprehension then a resulting opinion which leads to posts that are so easy to correct and dismiss. Slow down. Up your Prevagen or something. 
Why are you sowing doubt on the numbers? Want to answer the question about voter fraud now? 

I'm tired of your number games and insults.  Have a nice day. 

[digitaldog]

I've never been in hospital where regular beds for adult patients are more than one to two to a room. 

Where you may have been is immaterial to the facts. AFAIK, you've never been outside a bubble of alternative facts.
I know, copied and pasted exactly what you incorrectly wrote about wards. It was incorrect.
Want to answer the question about the voter fraud numbers YOU reported now withe a yes or no answer?

[faberryman]

The $48 million came from a TV program I'm was watching. The issue isn't the money, whether it's $32 million or $48.  Another distinction without a difference just for you to start an argument about an unimportant point.

Ah yes, the old television program you were watching.

And if the money isn't the issue, why did you include it? Probably because otherwise your post would make absolutely no sense in response to a post about Trump grifting $170,000,000 from his supporters.

[digitaldog]

I'm tired of your number games and insults.  Have a nice day.

Ah, I predicted you'd run away from the facts again when asked to back up your posts with facts and data.
3000 fraudulent votes, no wards in US hospitals? WE both know the correct answer, only one will admit it's correct.
I'm sorry that reality and facts continue to ruin your day.

[Alan Klein]

Ah, I predicted you'd run away from the facts again when asked to back up your posts with facts and data.
3000 fraudulent votes, no wards in US hospitals? WE both know the correct answer, only one will admit it's correct.
I'm sorry that reality and facts continue to ruin your day.

You're a boor and boring. You've been added to my ignore list, the first.   Congrats.   I need peace and quiet.

[faberryman]

I wasn't referring to ICU beds but to regular hospital beds.  Re-read my post.  And your constant personal attacks on me are getting unreasonable again.

I wasn't referring to ICU beds either. Not sure where you came up with that. Made it up I guess.

The thing is that you frequently post "facts" that, when fact-checked, prove false. Your "facts" are so unreliable that people fact-check everything you post. If you continue to post false "facts", you can expect to be called out on them. If you don't like being called out for posting false "facts", don't post false "facts". Nothing unreasonable about calling you out for posting false "facts".

[Alan Klein]

I wasn't referring to ICU beds either. Not sure where you came up with that. Made it up I guess.

You said top of the list.  We're there with ICU's but not hospital beds.  Who knows how either is counted from country to country?  What are the standards for each? 

[digitaldog]

I wasn't referring to ICU beds either. Not sure where you came up with that. Made it up I guess.

Massive history of that.

[digitaldog]

You're a boor and boring. You've been added to my ignore list**, the first.   Congrats.   

You AND Mr. Blagojevic; badge of honor, think you!

I need peace and quiet.

Stop posting rubbish, read, learn, turn off the TV; expand your mind. THEN post. If it's factual, I'll have no need to do anything but accept it. Otherwise, ignore or not, you'll continue to get called out. Your readers deserve that even if you will ignore it. As you've admitted.

**Edit: Seems you've struggled in the past doing even that simple task; more facts to ignore:

I'll just ignore your posts like I will Andrews.  It's easier that way.

Need help setting that up Alan? 

[faberryman]

You're a boor and boring. You've been added to my ignore list, the first.   Congrats.   I need peace and quiet.

Hey, I thought you said a couple of weeks ago that you were ignoring me. How come Andrew gets to be the first?