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« Reply #2860 on: November 29, 2020, 06:03:17 pm »

It's another reason Trump doesn't and playing Golf is more important to him.

I don't know what the deal was with Don Jr. On Wednesday week before last, he said he tested positive, and went out to his cabin, wherever that is, to polish his guns. And then five days later, on a Sunday, he said he was negative. Maybe a false positive; maybe he was just lying. Who knows?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2861 on: November 29, 2020, 06:34:22 pm »

Trump blew $3,000,000 on a recount in Wisconsin and Biden ended up picking up votes. So now Trump is going to sue. What else is new? It's not his money, so he doesn't care. It is his poor schmuck supporters who are paying the bill.

Biden gains 87 votes in Trump's $3M Wisconsin recount as Dane County wraps up review; president plans lawsuit

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/29/wisconsin-recount-completed-biden-gains-dane-country/6456378002/
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« Reply #2862 on: November 29, 2020, 06:57:34 pm »

Trump blew $3,000,000 on a recount in Wisconsin and Biden ended up picking up votes. So now Trump is going to sue. What else is new? It's not his money, so he doesn't care. It is his poor schmuck supporters who are paying the bill.

Biden gains 87 votes in Trump's $3M Wisconsin recount as Dane County wraps up review; president plans lawsuit

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/29/wisconsin-recount-completed-biden-gains-dane-country/6456378002/

The more suits he comes up with, the more money can he collect through the donations to "Trump's Legal Fund" which is used primarily to pay down his election debt.

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The text linked to a donation page where a disclaimer read that 50 percent of the donation would go toward paying off the president’s campaign debt, while the other 50 percent would go toward the campaign’s recount efforts.

https://people.com/politics/donations-to-trumps-legal-fund-also-go-towards-paying-off-presidents-campaign-debt/
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« Reply #2863 on: November 29, 2020, 06:58:01 pm »

Trump blew $3,000,000 on a recount in Wisconsin and Biden ended up picking up votes. So now Trump is going to sue. What else is new? It's not his money, so he doesn't care. It is his poor schmuck supporters who are paying the bill.

Biden gains 87 votes in Trump's $3M Wisconsin recount as Dane County wraps up review; president plans lawsuit

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/29/wisconsin-recount-completed-biden-gains-dane-country/6456378002/

Recounting votes is kind of like restoring your computer from a backup made right after your computer got infested by a virus. I'm guessing the goal was to get a look at the ballots and supporting documentation.
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« Reply #2864 on: November 29, 2020, 07:16:56 pm »

Recounting votes is kind of like restoring your computer from a backup made right after your computer got infested by a virus.
Indeed, Trump blew $3,000,000 on a recount and knows even less about viruses (and computers).
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Guessing; yes to that too. ;)
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« Reply #2865 on: November 29, 2020, 07:18:45 pm »

According to some C19 modeling, the daily infections could potentially rise from  the current 200K/day to 700K infections and 5K deaths per day in February 2021.
The following video is an interview with Dr. Neil Barnard who published a number of books and videos on heart disease, diabetes, and cancer causes and treatments. He talks also about the recent findings of C19 virus in beef, pork and shrimp imported from multiple countries, and also about the wet animal markets in USA. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWf3LUPRblA  (Dr. Barnard's talk starts at 4:00min and goes on for 14 min to till 18:00 min.)
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« Reply #2866 on: November 29, 2020, 09:26:57 pm »

Trump is angry with his Republican boys in Georgia now, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/527882-trump-im-ashamed-that-i-endorsed-kemp-in-georgia. I was going to read it to understand why but I stopped because, really, who gives a toss what he says or thinks about anything. I can see that in the future there may be two camps in the GOP, the ones whose lips were locked to Trump's behind no matter what and the ones who occasionally acted like adults with their own minds. I bet their meetings won't be pretty.
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« Reply #2867 on: November 29, 2020, 09:45:11 pm »

I see the discussion has come up about how to distribute the vaccines at first, since it appears that there won't be enough to cover everyone immediately. That was discussed by Nicholas A. Christakis during his recent podcast interview with Joe Rogan. People in public health have studied this and there are different strategies that are probably already being discussed by the people who decide these things, or they should be. The first two categories he mentioned that are probably non-controversial, (1) the people who received placebos during the vaccine trials, which seems like the decent thing to do with people who took risks for everyone else, (2) medical staff and first responders.

He pointed out some controversies that might emerge. For example, one thought is to next give the vaccine to older people and people who already have health problems. But he suggested that strategy was not necessarily the best. if those groups are already isolated anyway, thus minimizing their exposure, it might make more sense to give it to people who are out and about in the work force. If they're protected from getting sick, then they won't pass the virus on to their relatives and friends, who may be old or sick. It's an optimization problem.

One thing I wondered about is that if you receive the vaccine and you subsequently receive a viral load. During the time that you are fighting off the virus, could you still pass the virus on to someone else?
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« Reply #2868 on: November 29, 2020, 09:56:46 pm »

I see the discussion has come up about how to distribute the vaccines at first, since it appears that there won't be enough to cover everyone immediately. That was discussed by Nicholas A. Christakis during his recent podcast interview with Joe Rogan. People in public health have studied this and there are different strategies that are probably already being discussed by the people who decide these things, or they should be. The first two categories he mentioned that are probably non-controversial, (1) the people who received placebos during the vaccine trials, which seems like the decent thing to do with people who took risks for everyone else, (2) medical staff and first responders.

He pointed out some controversies that might emerge. For example, one thought is to next give the vaccine to older people and people who already have health problems. But he suggested that strategy was not necessarily the best. if those groups are already isolated anyway, thus minimizing their exposure, it might make more sense to give it to people who are out and about in the work force. If they're protected from getting sick, then they won't pass the virus on to their relatives and friends, who may be old or sick. It's an optimization problem.

One thing I wondered about is that if you receive the vaccine and you subsequently receive a viral load. During the time that you are fighting off the virus, could you still pass the virus on to someone else?

Don't know if you spent much time in care homes, but this last couple years my in-laws were in care homes. My mother-in-law was isolated from March until her passing in October. Her mental health deteriorated fast with no contact from my wife or myself. We could only see her through glass once a week. It was cruel to have these frail people locked up like in solitary confinement. If I had any say on who should get the first batch of vaccine, it would be these elderly that have suffered so much with being locked up. How dare anyone complain they have to put on a mask when they go into a store...let them live just 1 day in the shoes of these elderly and they'd all be singing a different tune.
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« Reply #2869 on: November 29, 2020, 10:13:37 pm »

Don't know if you spent much time in care homes, but this last couple years my in-laws were in care homes. My mother-in-law was isolated from March until her passing in October. Her mental health deteriorated fast with no contact from my wife or myself. We could only see her through glass once a week. It was cruel to have these frail people locked up like in solitary confinement. If I had any say on who should get the first batch of vaccine, it would be these elderly that have suffered so much with being locked up. How dare anyone complain they have to put on a mask when they go into a store...let them live just 1 day in the shoes of these elderly and they'd all be singing a different tune.

That's precisely the kind of debate that was predicted. My mother is in a retirement residence with some health problems and we haven't been able to visit often. But that residence has done a good job of keeping the virus out, zero cases at the moment. So you can make the argument that giving those residents the vaccine is less optimal than giving it to the people who might interact with them. It's not obvious a priori which strategy results in fewer eventual illnesses. This is complicated because not all such places are in such good shape, so how do you come up with a general plan that helps the largest number of people.

It's tempting to want to give it to the elderly so that it becomes safe for their relations to visit them, easy to understand why we'd want to do that. But how effective is the vaccine in the elderly? If some percentage are not well protected by the vaccine and you allow free visits to the residences, are you placing some people in increased danger.

Similar tradeoffs occur with very ill people, e.g., cancer patients undergoing treatment that weakens their immune systems. Do you immunize them or immunize the people they interact with, given that you don't have vaccines for everyone. I don't think that the answer is obvious.
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« Reply #2870 on: November 29, 2020, 11:57:37 pm »

Similarly stupid decisions are made with keeping the large superstores open and crowded while closing all small stores with only a handful of customers.
Just to prove that point, yesterday 6 people were infected in the nearby Costco store. 6 was the number of diagnosed shoppers but who knows how many were really infected.
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« Reply #2871 on: November 30, 2020, 01:08:05 am »

I tend to think that the most vulnerable should get it first -- care givers who are constantly exposed to the virus, then the elderly. Of course, I'm old, so I have an ax to grind. My argument would be that with current treatment regimes, the death rate is dropping, and that healthy young and middle-aged people are pretty unlikely to die (not entirely safe, but unlikely to die.) The elderly, or elderly with health issues, are much more likely to die.
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« Reply #2872 on: November 30, 2020, 04:07:58 am »

...about the recent findings of C19 virus in beef, pork and shrimp...

Just wear a mask when eating those. And stay home. Simple, really.

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« Reply #2873 on: November 30, 2020, 04:14:07 am »

Just wear a mask when eating those. And stay home. Simple, really.
I think cooking it "Trumps" that  ;D
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« Reply #2874 on: November 30, 2020, 04:19:27 am »

I think cooking it "Trumps" that  ;D

Steak tartare, anyone?

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« Reply #2875 on: November 30, 2020, 04:29:41 am »

Steak tartare, anyone?
Not for me thanks, but that has nothing to do with potential virus contamination or not. I just don't like "raw exploded cow"  :P
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« Reply #2876 on: November 30, 2020, 08:59:00 am »

Trump is still raging. Now he's ticked that 60 Minutes interviewed another guy he fired, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/527924-trump-rages-against-60-minutes-for-interview-with-krebs. It's quite bizarre, it's as if Trump thinks he's the CEO of the country, that the press is his marketing department and that everyone should do what he wants. Very odd.
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« Reply #2877 on: November 30, 2020, 09:10:33 am »

Trump is still raging. Now he's ticked that 60 Minutes interviewed another guy he fired, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/527924-trump-rages-against-60-minutes-for-interview-with-krebs. It's quite bizarre, it's as if Trump thinks he's the CEO of the country, that the press is his marketing department and that everyone should do what he wants. Very odd.

Not odd at all for a Narcissistic.
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« Reply #2878 on: November 30, 2020, 09:18:21 am »

Not odd at all for a Narcissistic.

No, I suppose you're right. But isn't it odd how many of his "enablers" have acquiesced to this behaviour since most of them would probably describe otherwise themselves as believers in Freedom and Free Speech (with upper case "F"s). Good thing this nonsense is ending soon and we can go back to ignoring him like most people did before he was elected.
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« Reply #2879 on: November 30, 2020, 09:24:26 am »

Looks like when it comes to vaccine distribution, they are leaving it up to the individual states to decide, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/30/trump-states-handle-vaccines-440798. I think it would have been a good idea to have an overall strategy about this, but this is no surprise. I hope it works out for people.

Who decides how the vaccines are allocated to the states in the first place, by population, by population density, weighted by large urban areas, by the number of active cases, etc. ?
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