Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Craig Lamson]

So how come that Trump was not punished for organizing so many not essential mass gatherings and causing thousands infections?

Freedom of speach and assembly. 

[LesPalenik]

Freedom of speach and assembly.

At the cost of a quarter of million lives?

[digitaldog]

So now you are the arbiter of who gets to have their voices heard and who does not or who has the right of assemnbly and who does not? 

Voices vs. A voice. Again, you've ignored the connected dots.
I understand you can't separate the voice of the people from the voice of Trump.

[Craig Lamson]

At the cost of a quarter of million lives?

Are you serious?  You want to blame freedom of speach and assembly for all the Covid deaths in the US? 

[Craig Lamson]

Voices vs. A voice. Again, you've ignored the connected dots.
I understand you can't separate the voice of the people from the voice of Trump.

You didn't connect the dots, you simply decided what voices could be heard and those who could not. Thats not up to you.

But I understand that you are in a box now and are looking for the way out.

[digitaldog]

Lets  review shall we?

You asked, based on a single metric...the number of new cases...if we are "turning the corner" on the virus.

So I'll ask you...

1.  Are the positive test results to hospital cases rates falling since the start of the pandemic?
2.  Are the hospitilization rates to intensive care case rates falling since the start of the pandemic?
3.  Are the use of ventilators in intensive care cases falling since the start of the pandimic?
4.  Are doctors providing better treatment options since the start of the pandemic?
5.  Are there better therapeutic treatments available or soon to be available since the start of the pandemic?
6   Are vaccines closer to being available since the start of the pandemic?
7.  Are death rates from Covid lower now since the start of the pandemic?

So tell us Andrew, whats the answer to those questions?

If even some of those are true, perhaps Trumps opinion that we are "turning the corner" on the virus just might be correct or at least he has some justification for his comments.

No. Rates change and testing increases of course. Mr. Trump lies, saying more testing equals more cases; it's like suggesting if we stop testing for cancer, there will be less cancer. It's rubbish.
No.
Doesn't matter; number of cases, hospitalizations and deaths have gone up. And will continue to.
Yes, unlike Trump, doctors learn, adapt and use facts to do better.
Yes, same as above. Got nothing to do with Trump.
There are no vaccines yet. They are still in testing. Oh, and Trump told us we'd have one or more by a 'special day' (November 3rd), another lie.
The last question makes little sense, we are seeing higher number of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic overall. And it's not over. In fact, it's getting worse, despite the lies you also believe are just opinions (we are rounding the corner). WE ARE NOT.
I'm sorry the facts have ruined your life. I'm more sorry the deliberate malpractice of the current administration has produced a country with 230 thousand dead, the leader of the world in both infections and death. 

[digitaldog]

But I understand that you are in a box now and are looking for the way out.

Again, pot calling kettle black. It's probably why so few here are taking you seriously.
Critical thinking, acceptance of facts and science; it's not a flower that grows well in your garden.
Keep digging. 

[faberryman]

Freedom of speach and assembly.

Or state and local law enforcement didn't cite him and his supporters, because they don't cite anyone.

[Craig Lamson]

No. Rates change and testing increases of course. Mr. Trump lies, saying more testing equals more cases; it's like suggesting if we stop testing for cancer, there will be less cancer. It's rubbish.

So which is it? The rate has not changed or it has.  Its a simple question.  What was the positive test rate to hospitalization rate in May compared to now?  Is it up or down?  A simple question you failed to answer.

No.

Ok, show us the numbers please

Doesn't matter; number of cases, hospitalizations and deaths have gone up. And will continue to.

Of course it matters.  Are sick patients more or less likely to need vents to try and stay alive?

Yes, unlike Trump, doctors learn, adapt and use facts to do better

This has nothing to do with Trump and no one said it did, but thanks for admitting in this case at least we are doing better.
 

Yes, same as above. Got nothing to do with Trump.

You were not asked if Trump played a part in getting therapeutics to market, but now that you mention it how can you discount his hand helping the process along?

There are no vaccines yet. They are still in testing. Oh, and Trump told us we'd have one or more by a 'special day' (November 3rd), another lie.

You are like a broken record skipping on the intro...But you failed to answer the question.  Are we closer to having a vaccine now that when the virus started?  How hard of a question was that? A simple yes or now will do.

The last question makes little sense, we are seeing higher number of deaths since the beginning of the pandemic overall. And it's not over. In fact, it's getting worse, despite the lies you also believe are just opinions (we are rounding the corner). WE ARE NOT.

Its really a simple question but I forget who I was questioning.  How many people who test positive and did not die, compared to the number of people who tested positive and died at the start of the pandemic?  But lets also look at your answer.  Higher numbers of deaths overall since the start of the pandemic. 
  Deaths from what?  We are talking about Covid.  Deaths per week have fallen and not risen since the peak back in the spring.

I'm sorry the facts have ruined your life. I'm more sorry the deliberate malpractice of the current administration has produced a country with 230 thousand dead, the leader of the world in both infections and death. 

You are a hoot when you get testy Andrew.  Last I looked my life is doing just fine, clealry not ruined. You don't like what Trump did but your new choice for President, based on his own words and the words of his surrogates early in the pandemic would not have done any better. The fact is we don't know if any leader whould have had better luck in the USA.   

Clearly Trump has reasons he can use to use if he wants to justify his opinion that we are "rounding the corner".

We treat patients with the virus better now.
We have better drugs and more are on the way. 
Vaccines have been fast tracked and are nearing the finish line. 
Less people who test positive go to the hospital. 
We put fewer sick people on vents. 
More sick people recover.
Less people who test positive die. 
More people should have immunity.

Yes we still have a bunch of people getting the virus, not only here but worldwide.  Its not over. But wwe might have turned that corner, when you consider where we started.

[Craig Lamson]

Again, pot calling kettle black. It's probably why so few here are taking you seriously.
Critical thinking, acceptance of facts and science; it's not a flower that grows well in your garden.
Keep digging. 

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. 

What a poor attempt at deflection from the fact you decided you had the power to decide who can speak and who can't in America.  Some people might call that bigotry.

[faberryman]

Sean Hannity wants a do-over election in Pennsylvania.

Sean Hannity Says Unprecedented 'Do Over' in Pennsylvania Election Could Undo Alleged Voter Fraud

https://www.newsweek.com/sean-hannity-says-unprecedented-do-over-pennsylvania-election-could-undo-alleged-voter-fraud-1545368

So if Biden prevails, what is Sean Hannity going to be doing after January 20, 2021?

[Craig Lamson]

Sean Hannity wants a do-over election in Pennsylvania.

Sean Hannity Says Unprecedented 'Do Over' in Pennsylvania Election Could Undo Alleged Voter Fraud

https://www.newsweek.com/sean-hannity-says-unprecedented-do-over-pennsylvania-election-could-undo-alleged-voter-fraud-1545368

So if Biden prevails, what is Sean Hannity going to be doing after January 20, 2021?

Biden and Harris will provide Hannity plenty of material to work with.  The bigger question is what will CNN and MSNBC be doing?

[faberryman]

The bigger question is what will CNN and MSNBC be doing?

They found some way to fill up the hours with Obama, so they should do okay with Biden.

[digitaldog]

So which is it? The rate has not changed or it has.  Its a simple question.  What was the positive test rate to hospitalization rate in May compared to now?  Is it up or down?

Simple; everything is UP. And going up as the current administration follows it's usual course of doing as little as possible, blaming the states and making up lies:

[chez]

Biden and Harris will provide Hannity plenty of material to work with.  The bigger question is what will CNN and MSNBC be doing?

Bigger question is what will Trump be doing from behind bars where he has nothing to tweet? His audience will be gone. No one will be paying attention to his stupidity. I think he'll implode.

[digitaldog]

Some people might call that bigotry.

Here's a better example from president bone spur:
There were good people on both sides.
And a few more, but hardly close to the full number of similar bigotry:
“Tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border,”  “The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.”
People from Haiti “all have AIDS”
“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”
calling the disease “the Chinese virus,” (like you sir).
There is so much more, that you should have an excellent idea of bigotry from the guy who will soon be leaving the White House.

[Craig Lamson]

Simple; everything is UP. And going up as the current administration follows it's usual course of doing as little as possible, blaming the states and making up lies:

This is a simple question you still have not or don't want to answer.

Yes, cases are UP.  That's not the question.

1. Of the positive cases at the peak of the pandemic back in the spring, what percentage of them required hospitalization?

2. Of the positive cases now, what percentage of them required hospitalization?

Do you think its possible for you to actully answer this?

[Craig Lamson]

Here's a better example from president bone spur:
There were good people on both sides.
And a few more, but hardly close to the full number of similar bigotry:
“Tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border,”  “The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world.”
People from Haiti “all have AIDS”
“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”
calling the disease “the Chinese virus,” (like you sir).
There is so much more, that you should have an excellent idea of bigotry from the guy who will soon be leaving the White House.

Deflection again Andrew.  I'm are talking about YOU not Trump. 

This is right up there with your 'did they even make it to high school" remark. A trend is forming.

[Craig Lamson]

Bigger question is what will Trump be doing from behind bars where he has nothing to tweet? His audience will be gone. No one will be paying attention to his stupidity. I think he'll implode.

He just might surprise you. 

[Craig Lamson]

This one is fun....

Rod Blagojevich: Dems Stealing Elections a ‘Time-Honored Tradition

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/11/06/rod-blagojevich-dems-stealing-elections-a-time-honored-tradition/

Blagojevich told Newsmax TV’s “John Bachman Now” that Democratic stronghold cities changing vote counts overnight, and controlling polling places is a “time-honored tradition.” He went on to say that Democrats “stealing the presidency” is “incredibly dangerous to our democracy.”