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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #9480 on: March 31, 2021, 04:11:39 pm »

There are more dead Democrats voting.

Why do you believe this?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #9481 on: March 31, 2021, 04:14:28 pm »

Why do you people on your side assume Republicans are racists and trying to disenfranchise voters when they propose voting rules and regulations to make voting less corrupted?  Have you considered your views are prejudiced? Or are you just practicing buffoonery because of your jaundiced views of Republicans?

Because VOTING IS NOT CORRUPTED as it stands today.  Jesus H Christ.  Study after study after study shows that voting is by and large secure, and that these "protections" will disenfranchise far, far more voters than they would deter illegitimate votes.  It's an *excuse* to keep democratic voters from having their vote counted. 
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« Reply #9482 on: March 31, 2021, 04:20:36 pm »

Why do you people on your side assume Republicans are racists and trying to disenfranchise voters when they propose voting rules and regulations to make voting less corrupted?

The answer was highlighted in post #9461.
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« Reply #9483 on: March 31, 2021, 10:09:31 pm »

Why do you believe this?
Well, for one was the election fraud committed by Democrats just a few miles from where I live that I posted about earlier.  YOu can go back to the JFK election when Democrat Mayor Daly stuffed the ballot boxes in Chicago to help Kenedy win Illinois and the electoral vote for president in 1960.  History is rife with the Dems playing games.  Democrat who ran Tammany Hall in NYC going back early in the 20th century.  It goes on and on. That's why they don't want any rules to be added in Georgia and elsewhere.  It gives them more opportunity to game the system.

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« Reply #9484 on: March 31, 2021, 10:42:24 pm »

Well, for one was the election fraud committed by Democrats just a few miles from where I live that I posted about earlier.  YOu can go back to the JFK election when Democrat Mayor Daly stuffed the ballot boxes in Chicago to help Kenedy win Illinois and the electoral vote for president in 1960.  History is rife with the Dems playing games.  Democrat who ran Tammany Hall in NYC going back early in the 20th century.  It goes on and on. That's why they don't want any rules to be added in Georgia and elsewhere.  It gives them more opportunity to game the system.

Are you unaware of any Republicans that have tried to commit voter fraud?
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« Reply #9485 on: March 31, 2021, 11:02:29 pm »

Are you unaware of any Republicans that have tried to commit voter fraud?
Maybe there were.  But it seems to be a Democrat thing.  Maybe it just seems that way because the two states I've lived in, NY and NJ, are Democratic run. And in both states, the Governors and highest members of their legislatures have been corrupt, maybe more so than other states.
Regardless, we should have rules that lessen the chance that either party can cheat. 

Just for fun, I found this list of election fraud in my current state of NJ. Notice how so many of them were for Fraudulent Use of Election Ballots.  Here's one.  You can see the rest in the link.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=NJ

John Fernandez

John Fernandez, who worked for the Essex County Department of Economic Development, was convicted of election fraud, absentee ballot fraud, and forgery. Fernandez submitted phony absentee ballots while he was working on the 2007 election campaign of state Sen. Teresa Ruiz. Fernandez's scheme involved messenger ballots, which are used by voters home-bound by illness or a disability. Fernandez fraudulently obtained the ballots, then filled them out on behalf of the voters who had never received them. He received a five-year prison sentence.

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« Reply #9486 on: March 31, 2021, 11:06:55 pm »

Just looking at my last post, can you imagine what happens when ballots are sent to dead people and people who moved?  The odds those ballots will be fraudulently completed and submitted as legal votes are huge.  It's why democrats wanted this to be a regular process and one wonders how many were illegally submitted in the 2020 election, not just for president, but for other positions like senator and congressmen as well as local positions?

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« Reply #9487 on: March 31, 2021, 11:20:27 pm »

It seems Georgia had election fraud as well.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=GA&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All

Here's one done by Republicans that should make Democrats smile.  Maybe their new law will stop Republicans from cheating more than Democrats.

Excerpt from 2018 on above link:
Georgia's 28th House District

The 2018 election for Georgia's 28th House district was overturned twice by Senior Superior Court Judge David Sweat because some out-of-district voters submitted ballots, some voters moved out of the district between the first and second runoff elections, and there was at least one instance of duplicate voting. Though individuals were not prosecuted, this northeastern Georgia district faced three elections in the same year between the same Republican candidates (no Democrats ran). In the end, the incumbent lost to challenger Chris Erwin.

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« Reply #9488 on: March 31, 2021, 11:37:46 pm »

This is why you don't want electioneering including handing out water and food near the voting lines and booths.

Calvin Mattox

Calvin Mattox, a Philadelphia election-board worker, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor "qualification of election officials" charge. Mattox, a Democrat, worked at Poll 43-7 despite not being a resident of the 43rd Ward as required by state law. He and three others were charged following allegations of fraud in a 2017 special election for the statehouse seat for the 197th District. The cabal were accused of, among other things, intimidating voters who did not want to vote for the Democrat candidate. In court, witnesses testified that they were not able to cast ballots for the candidates of their choice. Mattox was sentenced to one year of probation and stripped of his voting rights until 2022.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=PA&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All

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« Reply #9489 on: April 01, 2021, 12:01:22 am »

Misc violations:

Apparently, Ms. Taylor isn't Russian.

Mary P. Taylor

Mary P. Taylor was found guilty of a misdemeanor charge of "communicating false information to registered voters." Taylor, a critic of the Hampton school board, designed a fake website registered in the name of Ann Stephens Cherry, a candidate for the board, which endorsed incumbent Martha Mugler. On the website, Taylor posted a fake election date that fell one week after the real election. The Judge sentenced Taylor to 100 hours of community service and imposed a $1,000 fine.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=VA&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All

Apparently, the dead are healthy enough to vote. Nice to see such civic-minded Republicans for a change.

Lauren Creekmore Peabody

Lauren C. Peabody, of Virginia Beach, worked as a campaign staffer for the GOP candidate in the 2nd Congressional District of VA. In that role, she signed off on petition signatures, that she did not witness, to get Shaun Brown, a Democrat, on the ballot as an Independent in order to take away votes from the Democratic nominee (her boss's main opponent). The signatures were forgeries of deceased individuals and former residents. She was charged with two counts of election fraud and pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of "willful neglect of election duty." She received a 12-month suspended sentence based on a year of good behavior and was ordered to pay a $1,000 fine.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=VA&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All

 Absentee voters

Melvin Howell

Melvin Howell, of Asbury Park, pleaded guilty to a fourth degree felony charge after she filled out applications for nonexistent voters in a local school board election. According to the Union County Clerk, at least 54 ballots were tainted with irregularities. Howell was sentenced to one year of probation.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=VA&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All

Problems with absentee ballots

Brian McDouglar

Brian McDouglar, a resident of Cahokia, Illinois, was sentenced to two years in prison on charges of falsifying or tampering with an absentee ballot, a class 3 felony. McDouglar illegally took an absentee ballot from a voter he was not related to and then placed that ballot in the mail.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=IL&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All

More dead people voting.  Such civic-mindedness is impressive.

Thomas Rudd

Thomas Rudd, a former coroner in Lake County, Illinois, was charged with five felony counts of perjury for making false statements on nominating petitions for his 2016 re-election. Rudd signed the petitions, falsely indicating he had been personally present when voters signed them, and later made the same claim under oath. Prosecutors alleged that 15-20 petition signatures were falsified, including one in the name of a person who had been dead for over 10 years. The felony charges were dismissed as part of a plea deal, and Rudd pleaded guilty to five misdemeanor charges of disregard of the election code. He was given 24 months of probation, ordered to pay two $5,000 fines, and was barred from public employment for five years.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=IL&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All

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« Reply #9490 on: April 01, 2021, 03:19:08 am »

Lying Klein - nobody cares what you say.
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« Reply #9491 on: April 01, 2021, 09:25:58 am »

This is why you don't want electioneering including handing out water and food near the voting lines and booths.

Calvin Mattox

Calvin Mattox, a Philadelphia election-board worker, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor "qualification of election officials" charge. Mattox, a Democrat, worked at Poll 43-7 despite not being a resident of the 43rd Ward as required by state law. He and three others were charged following allegations of fraud in a 2017 special election for the statehouse seat for the 197th District. The cabal were accused of, among other things, intimidating voters who did not want to vote for the Democrat candidate. In court, witnesses testified that they were not able to cast ballots for the candidates of their choice. Mattox was sentenced to one year of probation and stripped of his voting rights until 2022.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=PA&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=All

Would it be ok if the Red Cross or U.N. election observers handed out food and water? Or anybody else who was not running for office?

As I asked earlier, since all those people waiting in line can be electioneered to on Twitter or Facebook et al. on their phones as they wait, what real world impact do these 19th century laws have anyway other than as silly diversion?
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« Reply #9492 on: April 01, 2021, 09:53:41 am »

Would it be ok if the Red Cross or U.N. election observers handed out food and water? Or anybody else who was not running for office?

As I asked earlier since all those people waiting in line can be electioneered to on Twitter or Facebook et al. on their phones as they wait, what real world impact do these 19th century laws have anyway other than as silly diversion?

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It's to prevent enticing or intimidating people to vote one way or the other while they are standing on line.  Your selection of a criminal activity of that type proves this goes on. 

In addition, the new law the Democrats want to pass will allow ballot harvesting and phony ballots production and phony voting without control.  The entire election process will become suspect. 

"There are a panoply of problems with H.R. 1 and S.1 — the House and Senate companion bills that would effect a massive voter overhaul on the federal level on an unprecedented scale. A lot of them center on how the so-called “For the People Act” deals with mail-in voting.

The bills stipulate that no state can “require an individual to provide any form of identification as a condition of obtaining an absentee ballot,” nor can it “require notarization or witness signature or other formal authentication (other than voter attestation) as a condition of obtaining or casting an absentee ballot.”

The bills effectively make ballot harvesting legal nationwide, too; each state “shall permit a voter to designate any person to return a voted and sealed absentee ballot to the post office, a ballot drop-off location, tribally designated building, or election office so long as the person designated to return the ballot does not receive any form of compensation based on the number of ballots that the person has returned and no individual, group, or organization provides compensation on this basis.”

In other words, as long as the designees aren’t paid by the ballot, they can collect the ballot.

They can collect as many of them as they want, too: States “may not put any limit on how many voted and sealed absentee ballots any designated person can return to the post office, a ballot drop off location, tribally designated building, or election office.”


https://www.westernjournal.com/whopping-irregularities-easily-swung-elections-alarming-audit-results-montana/

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« Reply #9493 on: April 01, 2021, 09:56:45 am »

Lying Klein - nobody cares what you say.
There you go again attacking the person rather than the idea.  Typical response from those on the left.  Silence those with who you disagree.

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« Reply #9494 on: April 01, 2021, 10:10:14 am »

It's to prevent enticing or intimidating people to vote one way or the other while they are standing on line.  Your selection of a criminal activity of that type proves this goes on. 


I don't understand this comment. What criminal activity? Do you mean online electioneering? Is it illegal for social media to post election-related material on election day? How about newspapers?

There may have been an embargo of electioneering on election day in some jurisdictions, that rings a bell, but it doesn't seem to me to be observed anywhere anymore. Am I wrong about that?




https://www.westernjournal.com/whopping-irregularities-easily-swung-elections-alarming-audit-results-montana/

I looked around that web site and I cannot take anything it says seriously. It appears to be similar to the old National Enquirer.
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« Reply #9495 on: April 01, 2021, 10:14:15 am »

There you go again attacking the person rather than the idea.  Typical response from those on the left.  Silence those with who you disagree.

Nope. Just calling out your lies and your dishonesty in refusing to admit them and apologise. Nothing to do with "ideas" or politics. Just about your personal integrity. Until you've done that there's no point in considering what else you have to say - may as well talk to a dog in the street.
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« Reply #9496 on: April 01, 2021, 10:20:08 am »

There you go again attacking the person rather than the idea.  Typical response from those on the left.  Silence those with who you disagree.

There you go again, playing the victim after making false assertions about what someone said. Victimology is now a bedrock foundation of conservative ideology. Cry and say they're silencing me whenever your false claims are exposed.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #9497 on: April 01, 2021, 10:26:45 am »

There you go again, playing the victim after making false assertions about what someone said. Victimology is now a bedrock foundation of conservative ideology. Cry and say they're silencing me whenever your false claims are exposed.
Alan is the victim of his massive stupidity, meaning his readers are the true victims.
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« Reply #9498 on: April 01, 2021, 11:09:43 am »

I don't understand this comment. What criminal activity? Do you mean online electioneering? Is it illegal for social media to post election-related material on election day? How about newspapers?

There may have been an embargo of electioneering on election day in some jurisdictions, that rings a bell, but it doesn't seem to me to be observed anywhere anymore. Am I wrong about that?



I looked around that web site and I cannot take anything it says seriously. It appears to be similar to the old National Enquirer.
There's no rule regarding on-line campaigning that I'm aware of in Georgia or anywhere else.  In any case, how would you enforce electioneering or campaigning on twitter within 100 feet or in the building where the voting goes on?  They would have to take people's cellphones away, an unlikely situation and something that is not in the law or done at all.

However, on the other hand, stopping actual people from electioneering right before people vote is an important rule.  In NYC, when I voted at my nearby Junior High School, the election officials place signs within 100 feet of the building.  A cop was stationed outside to maintain the rule and order. Politicians and their supporters would stand past the 100-foot line and pass out campaign literature and shake hands.  But the cop would stop anyone from doing that within 100 feet. 

If politicians wanted to hand out water and sandwiches beyond 100 feet, I suppose they could do that.  But I never saw that happen in 60 years of voting.  Allowing that to happen within 100 feet or in the building where people voted, would only encourage enticement, persuasion, and intimidation of voters.  The law tries to prevent that, a rational and reasonable rule.  The argument that people are going to die on the line from thirst is just a BS argument to allow electioneering.

I just googled it again and found a similar rule in Texas.  It doesn't mention water or food.  But Georgia obviously wanted to make it clear that's not allowed either because people will claim they're not electioneering when they pass out water when they actually are electioneering.

Electioneering
Each early voting and election day polling place must be organized with 100-foot distance markers posted at surrounding outside entries to the building.  During the voting period and inside this protected area, it is prohibited to electioneer, including expressing preference for or against any candidate, measure, or political party. A violation of this provision in the Election Code is a Class C misdemeanor. Tex. Elec. Code §§ 61.003, 85.036.

Please note that the early voting clerk and the presiding judge of each polling place, as appropriate, have the authority of a district judge while serving in that capacity. This authority enables the early voting clerk or the presiding judge, as appropriate, to use his or her discretion to ensure the safety and efficiency of the early voting and election day polling place and the surrounding 100-foot area. Tex. Elec. Code §§ 32.075(e), 81.002.

While an election judge or early voting clerk has the authority to ensure that electioneering is not occurring within the 100 foot marker, Section 32.075(e) of the Code specifically states that a presiding judge may not enforce electioneering provisions outside of the 100-foot distance markers. The same prohibition applies to an early voting clerk, per Section 81.002 of the Code.

If you or your presiding judges have questions as to what constitutes electioneering, encourage them to contact either your office or our office directly with specific questions.

Regulating Electioneering Outside 100-Foot Marker
An entity that owns or controls a public building being used as a polling place may not prohibit electioneering outside of the 100-foot distance marker. However, the entity may enact reasonable regulations in regards to the time, place, and manner of electioneering. Tex. Elec. Code § 61.003(a-1).

Only a court of law can determine what is reasonable in terms of time, place and manner. However, an example of a reasonable regulation may include prohibiting electioneering on sidewalks or driveways to keep them clear for pedestrians and traffic.

Finally, we recommend that all regulations be content neutral. If you have questions, we suggest that you contact your attorney.
https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/laws/advisory2018-11.shtml

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« Reply #9499 on: April 01, 2021, 11:47:36 am »

First-time weekly unemployment figures unexpectedly go up again to over 700K.

Maybe, with the Biden threat of taxes going up, businesses that were expecting to hire more, have held back.  I think businesses are going to wait and see what happens.  They won't jump the gun.  They'll wait until more orders come in.  Then hire rather than the other way around.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-idUSKBN2BO5G5

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