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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #8440 on: March 03, 2021, 11:57:35 am »

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author=Alan Klein link=topic=136697.msg1210477#msg1210477...  supporting climate change and other left-wing theories...

Really, Alan?  REALLY?
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« Reply #8441 on: March 03, 2021, 11:57:42 am »

In the US,  PBS is more liberal, supporting climate change and other left-wing theories.
What rubbish and stupidity! Correlating world wide scientific consensus (climate change) with “left wing theories”.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.”-Benjamin Franklin
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #8442 on: March 03, 2021, 12:02:46 pm »

In the US,  PBS is more liberal, supporting climate change and other left-wing theories. The BBC has always been biased, I thought it more liberal than conservative.  But either way, I never feel you're getting the news in an unbiased way.  Same with PBS.  I don't think government agencies should be in this business.  There are enough private enterprises and news outlets and you can watch whatever flavor you prefer.  Government news propaganda machines just remind me of Izvestia government newspaper during the Soviet Union days spouting off how great the Communist system is.  I didn't believe them and I don't believe PBS. (or BBC)

I thought you promised to keep your ignorance of British politics to yourself?  Please add Russian to the list.
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« Reply #8443 on: March 03, 2021, 12:15:04 pm »

I would compare the BBC to PBS a quasi-government operation that gets US taxpayer money, not the private MSNBC or Fox.  BBC gets public funding. Can you imagine a public entity like PBS politicking the US government? That would be unheard of. It may be illegal.  Of course, PBS does do that by the type of shows it produces, mostly liberal.  But then, it just claims it's presenting different ideas.  But they could not take a public position like the BBC can get away with. 


The "quasi-government" news agencies (although publicly supported is more accurate) are the only ones I can stand listening to, BBC, CBC, PBS, TVO (in Ontario). I cannot take seriously any of the private networks, consisting mostly of smiling blondes with really large incisors. I am mostly referring to Canadian and American private networks here, I don't have much experience with any others.

What bias the semi-public networks exhibit is easily discounted for, I find, whereas with private networks it's not always easy to know what they're trying to really sell you, which is their main function, imo. In the case of Canada's CBC, governments of every political stripe have routinely bashed the CBC for being biased. The fact that all politicians hate a news source is encouraging to me, as it indicates they may be doing their job. Unlike some (Trump, for instance), I don't think that the press is the government's marketing department.

To me, the susceptibility of a private outlet serving as a propaganda tool is much larger than that of a publicly supported network. Libertarians and Alan will of course disagree but I am basing my opinion on a lifetime of observation, not ideology. It seems like a contradiction, that a publicly funded network is more objective, but seeming contradictions often indicate incomplete understanding of what is really going on.
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« Reply #8444 on: March 03, 2021, 12:18:38 pm »

Speaking of independent news and analysis, I thought some of you might be interested in this piece about Brexit by Gwynne Dyer, https://gwynnedyer.com/2020/the-european-union-free-at-last/. It's not a point of view I've seen elsewhere.
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« Reply #8445 on: March 03, 2021, 12:27:47 pm »

...  Government news propaganda machines just remind me of Izvestia government newspaper during the Soviet Union days spouting off how great the Communist system is.  I didn't believe them and I don't believe PBS. (or BBC)

For someone who believes every word emanating from Trumpistan, that's quite the statement.
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« Reply #8446 on: March 03, 2021, 12:46:29 pm »

Really, Alan?  REALLY?

Really.  They take liberal positions.  They're not balanced as a tax paid for enterprise should be. 

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« Reply #8447 on: March 03, 2021, 12:47:12 pm »

I thought you promised to keep your ignorance of British politics to yourself?  Please add Russian to the list.
Do you even remember Izvestia?

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« Reply #8448 on: March 03, 2021, 12:57:54 pm »

For someone who believes every word emanating from Trumpistan, that's quite the statement.

First I don't believe everything Trump says or does.  He's a spendthrift and was breaking the bank.  He's not a fiscal conservative.  Far from it.  His style sucked.  A big mouth.  Of course, that was unique in politics so it made for a nice show.  "You're fired".  But a politician spouting his stuff is different than a government agency politicking.  We know where the politician is coming from when he does it and can choose to believe or discount as we wish.  But when PBS or another government agency says something with the authority of the government, whether it's true or not, political or not, the citizenry tends to believe it.  Except maybe for the CDC.  :)

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« Reply #8449 on: March 03, 2021, 01:23:09 pm »

Do you really think that PBS is a "government agency that says something with the authority of the government"? Do you know what percentage of PBS's (actually CPB's) income comes from our taxes and what that works out to on a per capita basis?
He obviously doesn't.
This would make his head explode and in the process, a lot fewer post here, fact checking him would result:
https://www.cpb.org/appropriation/
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I don't know who you hang out with, but I don't know anyone who thinks PBS is speaking for the government.
He lost it with todays rubbish about "supporting climate change and other left-wing theories".
This guy is hopelessly lost in an alternative reality which no amount of actual facts or data will ever penetrate. Again, this will never happen (as of today) 169 pages filled with absurdities proves to most readers here.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #8450 on: March 03, 2021, 02:20:05 pm »

Speaking of independent news and analysis, I thought some of you might be interested in this piece about Brexit by Gwynne Dyer, https://gwynnedyer.com/2020/the-european-union-free-at-last/. It's not a point of view I've seen elsewhere.

I think it's a view that's getting ever more evidently true as British businesses either close or move their operations to Europe. The fishing industry particularly, who had been very Pro Brexit, have found that nobody wants to buy their fish after they've been sitting in a truck stuck in customs for a week.
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« Reply #8451 on: March 03, 2021, 02:22:50 pm »

Do you even remember Izvestia?

Sure I do, but my Russian is not good enough to pretend to know what it said without just making stuff up.
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« Reply #8452 on: March 03, 2021, 02:27:19 pm »

A more accurate description would be - fortunately Trump was taken out before he could inflict more damage.

I seem to remember Joe Biden saying he was going to have a 100 new government run mass vaccine sites by the end of February.  He opened up a whooping 7. 

Slow clap for Joe Biden saving the day. 
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #8453 on: March 03, 2021, 02:42:29 pm »

I seem to remember Joe Biden saying he was going to have a 100 new government run mass vaccine sites by the end of February.  He opened up a whooping 7. 
Slow clap for Joe Biden saving the day.

Now some facts for you to utterly ignore:

February 13 OKLAHOMA CITY — The Biden administration’s plan to open 100 vaccination sites by the end of the month was initially embraced by governors and health officials, who considered it a much needed lifeline to get more Americans inoculated against the coronavirus.
But reality has quickly set in: Some are hesitating to take the offer, at least for now, saying they don’t need more places to administer doses. They just need more doses.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/02/13/tight-supply-creates-reluctance-over-federal-vaccine-sites/

Even slower clap for Trump:
Biden inheriting nonexistent coronavirus vaccine distribution plan and must start 'from scratch,' sources say
Updated 5:08 PM ET, Thu January 21, 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/biden-covid-vaccination-trump/index.html

February 21st:
Since their approval in December, more than 75 million doses of the two-shot-regimen Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have been distributed, of which 63 million have been injected, reaching 13% of Americans. Nearly 45 million of those doses have been administered since Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20.

Good news you can utterly ignore (until end of May):
March 3rd:
Biden Stands by May Timeline for Vaccines for All US Adults
President Joe Biden says the U.S. expects to take delivery of enough coronavirus vaccine for all adults by the end of May — two months earlier than anticipated.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-03-03/biden-vows-enough-vaccine-for-all-us-adults-by-end-of-may

Maybe Joe's going to travel to the Capital tomorrow for the return of Trump (as 19th president).  ???
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« Reply #8454 on: March 03, 2021, 03:26:02 pm »

This explains a lot:

Report: Pentagon watchdog finds Ronny Jackson drank on duty and harassed staff
Rep. Ronny Jackson (R-Texas) allegedly made "sexual and denigrating" comments about a female staffer, drank alcohol and took sleeping medication while working as White House physician, according to a report obtained by CNN Tuesday night.

And I wonder if he shared:
Ambien and alcohol on trips with the President
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« Reply #8455 on: March 03, 2021, 03:50:25 pm »

Status of FEMA Vaccination Sites announced in February - Currently 16 are open with an additional center opening tomorrow and another next week

This is only one of several federal initiatives taken to support states in vaccination efforts.

Opened Feb. 16  California: Oakland Coliseum / California State University Los Angeles

Opened Feb. 23  New York: Medgar Evers College - Brooklyn / York College – Queens

Opened Feb. 24-26  Texas: NRG Stadium - Houston / Fair Park - Dallas / Globe Life Field - Arlington

Opened Today Mar. 3  Florida: Miami-Dade Community College / Tampa Greyhound Track - Tampa / Valencia College - West Campus, Orlando / Gateway Mall - Jacksonville

Opened Today Mar. 3  New York: New York National Guard Armory - Yonkers / Former Kodak Hawkeye Lot - Rochester / Delavan Grider Community Center - Buffalo / Washington Avenue Armory - Albany

Opened Today Mar. 3  Pennsylvania: Pennsylvania Convention Center - Philadelphia

Opening Tomorrow Mar. 4  Illinois: United Center - Chicago

Opening Next Week Mar. 10  North Carolina: Four Seasons Center - Greensboro

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« Reply #8457 on: March 04, 2021, 12:55:22 am »

Really.  They take liberal positions.  They're not balanced as a tax paid for enterprise should be.

My “really?” referenced your assertion that climate change is a left-wing theory.
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« Reply #8458 on: March 04, 2021, 07:32:14 am »

My “really?” referenced your assertion that climate change is a left-wing theory.

I was being provocatively political. Climate change, like the mask, has become a political symbol. Each side uses them as a flag to show which group they belong to.  Unfortunately, their raison d'etre gets lost in the shuffle.

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« Reply #8459 on: March 04, 2021, 08:08:03 am »

Climate change, like the mask, has become a political symbol.

Only for idiots - and I only see one person here making the equivalence.
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