US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[faberryman]

No, I think it should just be inherent, regardless of what I think. 

I am just pointing out this if you are of the left for positive rights, this makes no sense from that perspective.  I was being critical of that side.

So if you think the right should be inherent and not require a bill in the state legislature, why did you write the next to the last paragraph in your post expressing the opposite opinion?

[faberryman]

Speaking of Hunter Biden, I have been away from the story for a couple of days, so I headed on over to Breitbart, which is right-leaning and was recommended to me by others here, and where there were quite a few stories last week, and I found exactly one story reporting that a Rasmussen poll said 54% of those polled thought Joe Biden benefited from Hunter Biden's deals. Rasmussen polls tend to be favorable to Trump so that was not much of a surprise. But that was it. What's going on? What is the status of the laptop, hard drive, and thousands of emails, photos and videos?

[Alan Klein]

Speaking of Hunter Biden, I have been away from the story for a couple of days, so I headed on over to Breitbart, which is right-leaning and was recommended to me by others here, and where there were quite a few stories last week, and I found exactly one story reporting that a Rasmussen poll said 54% of those polled thought Joe Biden benefited from Hunter Biden's deals. Rasmussen polls tend to be favorable to Trump so that was not much of a surprise. But that was it. What's going on? What is the status of the laptop, hard drive, and thousands of emails, photos and videos?

Some agent at the FBI is using it to Photoshop his pictures.

[Craig Lamson]

Speaking of Hunter Biden, I have been away from the story for a couple of days, so I headed on over to Breitbart, which is right-leaning and was recommended to me by others here, and where there were quite a few stories last week, and I found exactly one story reporting that a Rasmussen poll said 54% of those polled thought Joe Biden benefited from Hunter Biden's deals. Rasmussen polls tend to be favorable to Trump so that was not much of a surprise. But that was it. What's going on? What is the status of the laptop, hard drive, and thousands of emails, photos and videos?

MSM blackout.  Watch Tucker tonight.  He has Bobblehead on for the hour.

Of course the the Hunter sex tapes are out, a Russian honey pot photo spread and a few more things.  It’s there but hard to find.

[faberryman]

MSM blackout.  Watch Tucker tonight.  He has Bobblehead on for the hour.

Is Breitbart MSM now?

Of course the the Hunter sex tapes are out, a Russian honey pot photo spread and a few more things.  It’s there but hard to find.

Why?

[Alan Klein]

Is Breitbart MSM now?

Why?

Are you old enough to look at those pictures?

[faberryman]

Are you old enough to look at those pictures?

Probably too old.

[Alan Klein]

Probably too old.

Me too.

[Alan Goldhammer]

I love my radiators!  Water though not steam. 

I had a friend actually pay a plumber $15K to install a radiator system in his house because he hated force hot air so much.

I wonder if radiators are even installed in new builds these days.  I think radiant heated tile floors are an option but they are quite pricey. 

[Alan Goldhammer]

Your response is very confusing. First, I never mentioned abortion. I was speaking in general terms. Second, if abortion is not mentioned in the constitution as an individual liberty as you stated, why did the Supreme Court even rule on it?  Shouldn't they have left it to each individual state to decide? That was the policy before Roe.  Finally, what does you being an atheist have to do with anything?  No one is accusing atheists of being immoral or moral.  In any case, lawsuits are not determined based on the bible but rather on the constitution.

The Supreme Court had to rule on it because a court case came before it.  Before Roe, there were only a handful of states that allowed abortions.  I believe New York may have been the first on that did.  I remember someone in grad school at Indiana buying a woman a plane ticket to NY to get one (this was 1970) as there was no place in the Midwest that permitted it.

I raise the issue of being an atheist as many religions have their own codes that they would like to impose on others.

[Alan Goldhammer]

Why did not Rudy Giuliani provide the laptop image to MSM outlets.  I know the WaPo and NY Times both requested it.  Doesn't this imply that the story if phony.  Why not let everyone have a look and do the forensics.

[Craig Lamson]

Is Breitbart MSM now?

Why?

The last story I saw on Breitbart was from yesterday, but I may have missed some.  There are a couple of related articles on the WSJ.

The rest of the media....gone fishing.  News cycle has moved on...days to the election.  But bobblehead is pretty impressive on Tucker.

Why. Sensationalism.

[faberryman]

Why did not Rudy Giuliani provide the laptop image to MSM outlets.  I know the WaPo and NY Times both requested it.  Doesn't this imply that the story if phony.  Why not let everyone have a look and do the forensics.

Rudy has his hands full dealing with his appearance in the most recent Borat movie. You don't want to know. But if you do, just google it. I am watching it right now. I am in about 30 minutes with another hour to go. I don't know if I can make it to the end when Giuliani appears. May have to take it a half hour at a time.

[Craig Lamson]

Why did not Rudy Giuliani provide the laptop image to MSM outlets.  I know the WaPo and NY Times both requested it.  Doesn't this imply that the story if phony.  Why not let everyone have a look and do the forensics.

I think they requested it and he said he would not give it to them but would make it available for them to see.  It appears they chose not to do that.

Quite frankly I would not give them the drive either.  But that’s just me because I would not trust them as far as I could throw their buildings.

To me it implies Rudy didn’t  trust them either.  Other outlets got access to the drive.

[Alan Klein]

The Supreme Court had to rule on it because a court case came before it.  Before Roe, there were only a handful of states that allowed abortions.  I believe New York may have been the first on that did.  I remember someone in grad school at Indiana buying a woman a plane ticket to NY to get one (this was 1970) as there was no place in the Midwest that permitted it.

I raise the issue of being an atheist as many religions have their own codes that they would like to impose on others.

You don't have to be religious to have moral or ethical codes.  You have these codes even though you say you're an atheist.  So why assume people are against abortion only because they're religious?    Even many people who don't want laws against abortion find the whole process pretty revolting. 

[Alan Klein]

The Supreme Court had to rule on it because a court case came before it. Before Roe, there were only a handful of states that allowed abortions.  I believe New York may have been the first on that did.  I remember someone in grad school at Indiana buying a woman a plane ticket to NY to get one (this was 1970) as there was no place in the Midwest that permitted it.

I raise the issue of being an atheist as many religions have their own codes that they would like to impose on others.

I'm sure the numbers would be different today without Roe.  Certainly less states that it would be illegal.

The legal position prior to Roe v. Wade was that abortion was illegal in 30 states and legal under certain circumstances in 20 states
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States

[Alan Klein]

Why did not Rudy Giuliani provide the laptop image to MSM outlets.  I know the WaPo and NY Times both requested it.  Doesn't this imply that the story if phony.  Why not let everyone have a look and do the forensics.

I'm confused.  Doesn't the FBI have the machine?

[Alan Klein]

The last story I saw on Breitbart was from yesterday, but I may have missed some.  There are a couple of related articles on the WSJ.

The rest of the media....gone fishing.  News cycle has moved on...days to the election.  But bobblehead is pretty impressive on Tucker.

Why. Sensationalism.

Get Trump. Protect Biden.

[faberryman]

I'm confused.  Doesn't the FBI have the machine?

Allegedly. Last week the FBI declined to comment. Maybe something has changed since then.

[Craig Lamson]

Allegedly. Last week the FBI declined to comment. Maybe something has changed since then.

There is a copy of the order to  computer guy to give the laptop to the FBI.  Need more?