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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2020, 12:33:28 pm »

Facebook, Google, Twitter and any other social media platform should be regulated as utilities. Right now, they support posting angry and offensive content as long as it is left leaning or socialist. BLM and Antifa are violet hate groups bent on destroying the nuclear family, Christianity and our government. (Read their websites if you don't believe me). Yet, they censor our President and conservative political and social groups.They allow Planned Parenthood yet remove Pro Life posts. It's terrible. When they are caught, they blame the "algorithm"! This a lie as it is always conservative posts being taken down. It so obvious that they have an agenda and if you are not in agreement with their agenda, you are attacked.

They should be regulated to allow differing view points, even those that are not in alignment with their globalist socialist perspective.

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Amen, brother!

An A+ example of how ideology corrupts critical thinking and reasoning in human beings. All ideology. Every ideology of every description.

In digital imaging terms, ideologies seek to drag a persons reasoning skills from 16-bit down towards 1-bit processing. They make things that are complex appear simple and easy to digest. It's often fear based and always aimed at providing emotional comfort rather than intellectual enlightenment.
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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2020, 01:18:45 pm »

An A+ example of how ideology corrupts critical thinking and reasoning in human beings...

A lofty proclamation, but I would be rather interested in your "critical thinking and reasoning" behind it.

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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2020, 01:31:28 pm »

Not to mention that people are loosing decades-old jobs for merely uttering "All lives matter."

What it it with you guys?  ;)
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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2020, 01:37:57 pm »

A lofty proclamation, but I would be rather interested in your "critical thinking and reasoning" behind it.

I rather doubt that you would be interested. People always find a way to prevent their ideological filters from becoming unclogged.

Ideology operates on blind faith. The faith is somewhat less of a problem than the blindness.
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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2020, 01:58:17 pm »

Stop.

For those not familiar with the H&M marketing campaign in 2018, featuring the "coolest monkey..." (and later apologized, under pressure from the usual snowflakes) here is some background:

https://nypost.com/2018/01/11/mother-of-boy-in-hms-coolest-monkey-ad-says-get-over-it/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/09/hm-apologises-image-black-child-wearing-coolest-monkey-jungle/

Note that his mother, who was apparently present during the shooting, did not see anything wrong with it (and rightly so), and her message after the outrage was "get over it."

I called my daughter of similar age a monkey. Many parents do. A suggestion was made that a white boy wearing that hoodie would be more appropriate, while the black boy should be wearing a hoodie with the "survival expert" on it. I disagree.

Here is my take: if you really want to forget about racism, instead of seeing it everywhere and in everything, then there should be no difference which color the boy wearing it is. This way, with the usual outrage culture, you are just amplifying the stereotype, instead of getting rid of it by letting it worn out by itself and lose its edge.


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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2020, 01:59:16 pm »

What it it with you guys?  ;)

Sorry, typo corrected.

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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2020, 02:00:31 pm »

I rather doubt that you would be interested. People always find a way to prevent their ideological filters from becoming unclogged.

Ideology operates on blind faith. The faith is somewhat less of a problem than the blindness.

That is pretty condescending.

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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2020, 05:03:29 pm »

Facebook, Google, Twitter and any other social media platform should be regulated as utilities. Right now, they support posting angry and offensive content as long as it is left leaning or socialist...  Yet, they censor our President and conservative political and social groups...  It's terrible... It so obvious that they have an agenda and if you are not in agreement with their agenda, you are attacked.

They should be regulated to allow differing view points, even those that are not in alignment with their globalist socialist perspective.
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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2020, 05:56:36 pm »

You seem to be suggesting that people with those beliefs are prevented from posting in those areas. Is this actually true?
If you're claiming discrimination, it needs to be proven.

Exactly.  Unvalidated assertions are precisely that.  "Unvalid"

Trump does this all the time.  For example, his claim that there's rampant voter fraud.  He says it all the time, without evidence.  It's never been proven or demonstrated.

Hence, as I stated elsewhere, "It's lies and bullshit".

If social media required proof to back up assertions, perhaps it'd be less toxic there.

Note that I don't think this should apply to opinions, provided they're clearly stated as such.
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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2020, 06:03:30 pm »

That is pretty condescending.

It was not intended to be condescending. I was expressing my doubt, not making a declaration.

The reasons for that doubt were broadly generalized. I restrained my expression of those reasons in order to avoid being more specific and pointed regarding my opinion of the post and your approval of it.

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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2020, 06:36:03 pm »

... and so on... and so on... and so on...

What are those links supposed to prove ?

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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2020, 06:58:41 pm »

The left has alway controlled the media...

That's going to come as quite a shock to Rupert Murdoch, Sinclair Broadcast Group, Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck, and a vast array of other conservative media outlets and commentators.

Have you told them who controls them yet?
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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2020, 06:59:20 pm »

What are those links supposed to prove ?

To you? Nothing whatever.

* Not meant as condescending. I know that you're rather sensitive about that now.
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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2020, 07:09:27 pm »

Exactly.  Unvalidated assertions are precisely that.  "Unvalid"

Trump does this all the time.  For example, his claim that there's rampant voter fraud.  He says it all the time, without evidence. It's never been proven or demonstrated.

Hence, as I stated elsewhere, "It's lies and bullshit".

If social media required proof to back up assertions, perhaps it'd be less toxic there.

Note that I don't think this should apply to opinions, provided they're clearly stated as such.

The Heritage Foundation would beg to differ with you.   Never?  That sounds like bullshit and lies to me.

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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2020, 08:05:43 pm »

For example, his claim that there's rampant voter fraud.  He says it all the time, without evidence.  It's never been proven or demonstrated.

The Heritage Foundation would beg to differ with you.   Never?  That sounds like bullshit and lies to me.

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The poster that you are replying to said RAMPANT voter fraud. The Heritage article, that you link to, references in a BOLD TYPE HEADLINE their database of 1,285 voter fraud cases, but conveniently has no link to the database. I found it thru Google easily (despite their globalist socialist agenda that some claim).

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

Just looking at the most populous state of California, They have 42 cases listed from 2001, the earliest case in their California database, until today. They've been working for 4 years gathering data. The 1,285 cases they have in their database start in 1982 and run thru 2020 and covers the entire USA for local, state, and federal elections as well as signature fraud on petions. I wonder how many votes have been cast in the US since 1982 as well as signatures collected for petitions.

They don't mention in their headlines that it isn't just fraudulent vote cases they've collected, but other types of election law violations as well. They conveniently leave out any information regarding the starting dates for their database. You have to search for it. Maybe that's just an oversight on their part. I'm sure they're not trying to mislead anyone with their articles and reports that require you digging into the data for such information.

If that fits your idea of rampant, Good luck selling the idea. Maybe it's just a reading comprehension issue or an oversight on your part. I'm sure you're not trying to mislead anyone.
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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2020, 08:24:34 pm »

Judging the voter fraud by the number of caught cases is like judging the amount of drugs smuggled into the country by the amount of drugs captured by the DEA.

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« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2020, 08:32:04 pm »

The poster that you are replying to said RAMPANT voter fraud. The Heritage article, that you link to, references in a BOLD TYPE HEADLINE their database of 1,285 voter fraud cases, but conveniently has no link to the database. I found it thru Google easily (despite their globalist socialist agenda that some claim).

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

Just looking at the most populous state of California, They have 42 cases listed from 2001, the earliest case in their California database, until today. They've been working for 4 years gathering data. The 1,285 cases they have in their database start in 1982 and run thru 2020 and covers the entire USA for local, state, and federal elections as well as signature fraud on petions. I wonder how many votes have been cast in the US since 1982 as well as signatures collected for petitions.

They don't mention in their headlines that it isn't just fraudulent vote cases they've collected, but other types of election law violations as well. They conveniently leave out any information regarding the starting dates for their database. You have to search for it. Maybe that's just an oversight on their part. I'm sure they're not trying to mislead anyone with their articles and reports that require you digging into the data for such information.

If that fits your idea of rampant, Good luck selling the idea. Maybe it's just a reading comprehension issue or an oversight on your part. I'm sure you're not trying to mislead anyone.

Nice try but an utter failure.   He went right past Rampant, when he went to it has never been proven or demonstrated. 

BTW, this is what Heritage has to say about their database at the open of the article. From your supplied link.

The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. It does not capture all cases and certainly does not capture reported instances that are not investigated or prosecuted. It is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.


Voter fraud clearly has been proven and demonstrated, and that’s only the cases where the preps have actually been caught.    I’ll wager voter fraud has been happening since the first vote was cast. But that’s yet another discussion.   To think it’s all sweetness and light would be a silly.  Your  mileage may vary.

I’m so glad  you actually went looking at the data.  That makes you a standout in this forum. 

Once you go to “never” you are just offering up bullshit and lies. 
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Re: Should the US Get Rid of Facebook and other Social Media Outlets?
« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2020, 08:35:06 pm »

Judging the voter fraud by the number of caught cases is like judging the amount of drugs smuggled into the country by the amount of drugs captured by the DEA.

There's the question of risk vs reward. How many people are willing to risk prison time to commit voter fraud compared to whatever reward they seek.

The drug trade, on the other hand, can be very lucrative for some. Comparing the two seems a bit of a reach.
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« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2020, 08:37:38 pm »

There's the question of risk vs reward. How many people are willing to risk prison time to commit voter fraud compared to whatever reward they seek.

The drug trade, on the other hand, can be very lucrative for some. Comparing the two seems a bit of a reach.

There not much risk if no one is really looking or you control the system.

Politics can be very lucrative as well.
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