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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7620 on: October 15, 2020, 11:43:47 am »

So tell us, who do you count Deaths,or better yet, how do OTHER countries count covid deaths comnpare to the USA?.  Apples to orages comparisons are utterly useless unless you have an agenda to push.

Well, why don't you all tell us how deaths are counted? And are you really sure the USA death count is accurate as there has been some shady things taking away the official infection numbers announcements from the CDC and having the White House track this. Just seems everything in the US gets politicized and as such very suspect to tampering.
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« Reply #7621 on: October 15, 2020, 11:52:54 am »

So tell us, who do you count Deaths,or better yet, how do OTHER countries count covid deaths comnpare to the USA?.  Apples to orages comparisons are utterly useless unless you have an agenda to push.

Yeah, I think someone in this thread pointed out that during the height of the outbreak in NYC the paramedics were counting people who fell down the stairs and broke their necks as COVID deaths so they could get reimbursed by the government for going out and fetching the bodies. The shithole countries are at a distinct advantage because they don’t have that many buildings with stairs. Fewer stairs, fewer deaths. I’m not sure what the deal is with Europe.
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« Reply #7622 on: October 15, 2020, 11:52:58 am »

Maybe insulting America is a better choice rather than laughing at us.  I stand corrected.

"America"?  No. Trump and his disciples - yes.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7623 on: October 15, 2020, 11:55:28 am »

I realise that it's not all that far below the general intellectual level of the discussion in this thread

Is this the summit of your ability to argue about politics?

Is mocking the intellectual abilities of participants the desired standard of discussion?
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« Reply #7624 on: October 15, 2020, 12:06:30 pm »

Is mocking the intellectual abilities of participants the desired standard of discussion?
He's being rhetorical, tongue in cheek.  It's not their intellectual abilities he's knocking but their rather low class,  infantile playground mocking discourse.  He was just being more courteous than me. 

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« Reply #7625 on: October 15, 2020, 12:15:04 pm »

Yeah, I think someone in this thread pointed out that during the height of the outbreak in NYC the paramedics were counting people who fell down the stairs and broke their necks as COVID deaths so they could get reimbursed by the government for going out and fetching the bodies. The shithole countries are at a distinct disadvantage because they don’t have that many buildings with stairs. I’m not sure what the deal is with Europe.
That's an insult to my fellow-New Yorkers, especially the EMS workers.  What I recall here was the fact the NYC government added many deaths of people who let's say died of a heart attack in their homes, that these were caused by Covid because they couldn't get into fully occupied hospitals where they would have maybe been saved from the heart attack.  But I don't recall anyone accusing EMS workers of fraud except you and certainly I'm not aware of any facts that they actually did that. 

It's bad enough Europeans insult us.  Do you as an American have to join the chorus? 

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« Reply #7626 on: October 15, 2020, 12:20:06 pm »

It means that Europeans were for the last 6 months laughing at America and castigating our numbers.  So now, Europe's numbers are worse than America's.  I've been saying that we all need a little humility.  Let's wait until this is all over before pointing fingers and scoring who did better.  This disease has a mind of its own and we're like babes in the woods trying to figure it out.  The economies of the world are collapsing. No matter how well a country thinks it's doing, there's nothing to be happy about.  Your secure job and health today may be gone tomorrow.

I never laughed about USA, just trumpeteers and their lack of competence. Again, please look at the actual numbers and try to understand them. In March/April, Europe's numbers were worse than USA ones, because we were ahead in the disease timing. Same thing now, we are in the 2nd wave, the USA is still coming out of the 1st one. Don't worry, you will get the 2nd wave in a few weeks.

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« Reply #7627 on: October 15, 2020, 12:21:16 pm »

It's bad enough Europeans insult us.  Do you as an American have to join the chorus?

You seem to think this is a football game - "our team" against "their team". It's not. Nobody is insulting "us" - they are horrified by Trump and his impact on ordinary people. That's it. No need to pretend that there is some conspiracy against you, much as it might serve your position.
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« Reply #7628 on: October 15, 2020, 12:26:56 pm »

You seem to think this is a football game - "our team" against "their team". It's not. Nobody is insulting "us" - they are horrified by Trump and his impact on ordinary people. That's it. No need to pretend that there is some conspiracy against you, much as it might serve your position.
Sorry.  It's about politics.  If Trump had shut down the economy, you would have complained that he should have kept it open because he's destroying it.  Whatever he does, good or bad, you're against it.

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« Reply #7629 on: October 15, 2020, 12:27:41 pm »

I have a lot of international friends and family across several continents and none of them are laughing at or insulting the USA for this.
The primary response I see is pity.
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« Reply #7630 on: October 15, 2020, 12:37:28 pm »

Sorry.  It's about politics.  If Trump had shut down the economy, you would have complained that he should have kept it open because he's destroying it.  Whatever he does, good or bad, you're against it.

That's a total non-response to my point.  Yes I'm anti-Trump, but that doesn't mean that I "insult America" (what does that even mean, anyway?).  Lots of Americans are anti-Trump - are you accusing them of being less "American" than you are?
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« Reply #7631 on: October 15, 2020, 12:56:19 pm »

I have a lot of international friends and family across several continents and none of them are laughing at or insulting the USA for this.
The primary response I see is pity.
Not pity. Schadenfreud.

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« Reply #7632 on: October 15, 2020, 01:03:56 pm »

Not pity. Schadenfreud.

You are really quite deluded if you think that.
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« Reply #7633 on: October 15, 2020, 01:05:54 pm »

Not pity. Schadenfreud.

Yes, pity. For having to deal with all this death, disease, denial, and BS like the sentiment in your post ^^.
Pity for being willfully ignorant or having to deal with those who are.

A little presumptuous again telling me what my family thinks or feels but I guess it's par for the course.
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« Reply #7634 on: October 15, 2020, 01:34:20 pm »

Well, why don't you all tell us how deaths are counted? And are you really sure the USA death count is accurate as there has been some shady things taking away the official infection numbers announcements from the CDC and having the White House track this. Just seems everything in the US gets politicized and as such very suspect to tampering.

If I knew I would have already told you.
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« Reply #7635 on: October 15, 2020, 01:43:33 pm »

Here's how CDC counts cases and deaths.  It's not easy or completely accurate because of so many variables.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/about-us-cases-deaths.html#accuracy

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« Reply #7636 on: October 15, 2020, 01:51:31 pm »

Here's how CDC counts cases and deaths.  It's not easy or completely accurate because of so many variables.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/about-us-cases-deaths.html#accuracy

The CDC only aggregates the data submitted by the States. In any case is they way that number is assembled consistant with the methods used by all the other countries in the world? 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7637 on: October 15, 2020, 03:05:12 pm »

You seem to think this is a football game - "our team" against "their team". It's not. Nobody is insulting "us" - they are horrified by Trump and his impact on ordinary people. That's it. No need to pretend that there is some conspiracy against you, much as it might serve your position.

That us versus them attitude came directly from Trump when he didn't want that cruise ship that had infected American citizens aboard to dock in Los Angeles because his Covid numbers would look bad. What an ass.
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« Reply #7638 on: October 15, 2020, 03:54:02 pm »

That us versus them attitude came directly from Trump when he didn't want that cruise ship that had infected American citizens aboard to dock in Los Angeles because his Covid numbers would look bad. What an ass.
Could it be he was protecting the country from more infections?  After all, democrat Gov Cuomo of NY sent sick patients home to their old age homes where they spread the disease. He should have kept them isolated or remain in hospitals until better.  His stupidity accounted for half the deaths in New York.  If Trump let infected people in, you'd be the first to complain he doesn't care about anyone.  The fact is, anything Trump does is wrong according to Trump haters and you twist his statements and actions into something evil.

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« Reply #7639 on: October 15, 2020, 04:59:11 pm »

Could it be he was protecting the country from more infections?  After all, democrat Gov Cuomo of NY sent sick patients home to their old age homes where they spread the disease. He should have kept them isolated or remain in hospitals until better.  His stupidity accounted for half the deaths in New York.  If Trump let infected people in, you'd be the first to complain he doesn't care about anyone.  The fact is, anything Trump does is wrong according to Trump haters and you twist his statements and actions into something evil.

Well then he's an idiot if he thought he was protecting the country. At the same time he was stopping that cruise ship from docking ( because it will make my Covid numbers look bad --> idiot ) hundreds of thousands of US citizens were coming home from all over the world, many infected without any kind of quaranteening guidance from the big Chetos. They all landed on home soil, many with the virus and merrily went on their ways, infecting many others without even knowing it. There...the damage started...and without any plans from the top...this unrestricted spread just continues from one state to the next.

He still has zero plans on how to combat the virus. It did not "some day magically go away". It did not "go away when it gets hot". It has never been "under control". A major fail of the most important thing that Chetos had to tackle during the past 4 years.
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