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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7220 on: September 02, 2020, 08:07:57 pm »

What is your friend's age?  Please be at least a little statistically relevant. 

The age and comorbidities are very relevant when it comes to actual infection, but the virus can jump also onto healthy and younger individuals.The aftereffects can be quite serious and indirectly shorten life as many reports show. If anything, these problems are under reported. 

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On July 7, 2020, the Boston Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez tested positive for the new coronavirus. He was scheduled to start Opening Day for the Sox, but the virus had other plans—damaging Rodriguez’s heart and causing a condition called myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle). Now the previously fit 27-year old ace left-hander must sit out the 2020 season to recover.

Rodriguez is not alone in having heart damage from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. In a new study done in Germany, researchers studied the hearts of 100 patients who had recently recovered from COVID-19. The findings were alarming: 78 patients had heart abnormalities, as shown by a special kind of imaging test that shows the heart’s structure (a cardiac MRI), and 60 had myocarditis. These patients were mostly young and previously healthy. Several had just returned from ski trips.

While other studies have shown a lower rate of heart problems—for example, a study of 416 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 in Wuhan, China, found that 20% of patients had heart damage during hospitalization—clearly, SARS-CoV-2 commonly damages the heart.

https://time.com/5878448/longterm-covid19-recognition-research/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_term=ideas_covid-19
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« Reply #7221 on: September 02, 2020, 09:23:00 pm »

The age and comorbidities are very relevant when it comes to actual infection, but the virus can jump also onto healthy and younger individuals.The aftereffects can be quite serious and indirectly shorten life as many reports show. If anything, these problems are under reported. 

https://time.com/5878448/longterm-covid19-recognition-research/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_term=ideas_covid-19

Thank you for being extremely statistically vague!!! in response to my statistically explicit response.

Care to share actual stats? 

If not, I just think at this point you are pushing an agenda. 
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« Reply #7222 on: September 02, 2020, 09:25:21 pm »

{s}Yes, absolutely.  Because "pushing an agenda" is SO important these days.  {/s}

Well by Democratic standards it is.  BTW, care to refute my stats? 

Apparently not, or you would have listed some, but you didn't 

Drop your agenda and actually help with the issue.  Provide relevant information with stats that can help us assess our risk.

I know this response comes off as harsh (in kind terms), but at this point I just dont care how insensitive I am.  Many (including you) have been so agenda driven with this I am getting more sick of it then C-19. 
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« Reply #7223 on: September 03, 2020, 12:23:28 am »

Thank you for being extremely statistically vague!!! in response to my statistically explicit response.

Care to share actual stats? 

If not, I just think at this point you are pushing an agenda.

I don't have any agenda and I am not going to look up any more stats for you. Some were in the report for which I supplied in the link.
Maybe some superheroes won't get affected or they will just shake off the virus. Especially if they are on a bacon and pork ribs diet.
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« Reply #7224 on: September 03, 2020, 11:43:26 am »

Burger King's future restaurants will be fit for the coronavirus age, with triple drive-thrus, burger pickup lockers, takeout counters and more.

Reminds me when I was a kid. THe hamburger joints like White Castle would have driveups where they'd take your order live and cute little waitresses in short skirts would bring the food back and set up a tray that would lock onto the half opened driver's side window.  Some of these places the waitresses would be wearing roller skates.  The new Burger King restaurants will have more outside dining for your cars.  But no cute waitresses! Doesn't seem like an improvement to me. Maybe they'll use drones to airdrop the meals?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/03/business/burger-king-restaurant-redesign/index.html

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« Reply #7225 on: September 03, 2020, 11:46:21 am »

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« Reply #7226 on: September 03, 2020, 12:05:49 pm »

Burger King's future restaurants will be fit for the coronavirus age, with triple drive-thrus, burger pickup lockers, takeout counters and more.

Reminds me when I was a kid. THe hamburger joints like White Castle would have driveups where they'd take your order live and cute little waitresses in short skirts would bring the food back and set up a tray that would lock onto the half opened driver's side window.  Some of these places the waitresses would be wearing roller skates.  The new Burger King restaurants will have more outside dining for your cars.  But no cute waitresses! Doesn't seem like an improvement to me. Maybe they'll use drones to airdrop the meals?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/03/business/burger-king-restaurant-redesign/index.html

I remember A&W was like that. You'd drive up to an intercom type of system, order your food and it would get delivered to your car on a tray that attached to your window. Now we have drive throughs with people slurping down their burger as they drive. Sometimes progress is not for the better.

I guess the drive through is better during Covid times.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7227 on: September 03, 2020, 01:54:12 pm »

What is your friend's age?  Please be at least a little statistically relevant. 

Age has been shown to be a very important aspect of whether or not you suffer from this in the long term.  BTW, if you don't want to answer, just let it be understood I will take this entire post as being statistically vague on purpose of pushing an agenda. 

Fact is, only 2.7% of those who have died are under the age of 45.  Only 6% of those who have died, died solely from C-19, meaning 94% had pervious conditions.  The majority of people who have caught this show no symptoms worth even worrying about.  90% of those who test positive can no longer pass it on.  Saying there are people who deal with medium term effects (it has not been long enough to say long term yet) is the same as saying some who catch the flu have medium term effects, even though the majority do not. 

I am tired of statistically vague statements.  Sorry for the lack of empathy, but after 6+ months of constant fear mongering from the press, I am just getting tired of not seeing important stats that allow us to assess risk.

Same age as me, under 50. I'm being statistically vague because I just copied his post for a personal account of the misery a formerly very fit person is going through. I'm not aware of other conditions he might have but nothing I'm aware of or that seemed to affect his lifestyle.

Did you read the article with the quote?

That's ok about lack of empathy. I've come to expect that from you and Trump supporters in general. I don't think anyone would support him with a well developed sense of empathy. It has to hit you personally before you care.
 
That 6% statistic talking point illustrates a good example of misunderstood and/or manipulated conclusions from statistics.
Here's a quote from Fauci that I'm sure you will find a way to brush aside as partisan or whatever.

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That does not mean that someone who has hypertension or diabetes who dies of Covid didn’t die of Covid-19. They did,” Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the program. “So the numbers you’ve been hearing -- there are 180,000-plus deaths -- are real deaths from Covid-19. Let (there) not be any confusion about that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/01/fauci-debunks-theories-of-low-cdc-coronavirus-death-toll-there-are-180000-plus-deaths-in-us.html
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« Reply #7228 on: September 12, 2020, 07:16:01 am »

Political interference in medical data, it's incredible that people think that this could work, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-interfered-with-cdc-reports-on-covid-19-412809.

All the malarkey about a free society punctuated by Soviet-era tactics, except inexpertly bungled. I mean, this kind of crap can only work if no one knows it's happening, but there it is, all over the web. Arrogance and stupidity make a terrible combo.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7229 on: September 14, 2020, 08:01:06 pm »

The story linked above by Robert Roaldi regarding Michael Caputo, the Trump appointed Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services for Public Affairs, and his activities to change, delay, suppress and retroactively edit scientific reports on COVID-19 by the Centers for Disease Control that were deemed to contradict or undermine what President Trump was saying publicly, just gets more insane. His job is to coordinate the messaging of HHS that functions as the center of the U.S. public health bureaucracy and includes the Food and Drug Administration, the CDC and the National Institutes of Health, which lead the government’s pandemic response.

Yesterday, Caputo in a Facebook Live broadcast went on a deranged rant in which he said...

- The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was harboring a “resistance unit” determined to undermine President Donald Trump. The CDC was riddled with anti-Trump researchers who “walk around like they are monks” and “holy men” but engage in “rotten science.” Scientists “deep in the bowels of the CDC have given up science and become political animals.”

- They “haven’t gotten out of their sweatpants except for meetings at coffee shops” to plot “how they’re going to attack Donald Trump next,” Caputo said. “There are scientists who work for this government who do not want America to get well, not until after Joe Biden is president.”

- “You understand that they’re going to have to kill me, and unfortunately, I think that’s where this is going,”

- Caputo on Sunday complained on Facebook that he was under siege by the media and said that his physical health was in question and his “mental health has definitely failed.” “I don’t like being alone in Washington,” he said, describing “shadows on the ceiling in my apartment, there alone, shadows are so long.”

- He then ran through a series of conspiracy theories, culminating in a prediction that Trump will win reelection but his Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, will refuse to concede. “And when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin. The drills that you’ve seen are nothing. If you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it’s going to be hard to get.”

- Caputo continued his social media effort after the Facebook event, retweeting a conspiratorial post that hinted with no evidence that armed camps were being established in Washington, D.C.: “Occupants don’t look like vagrants. Looks like forward basing for militant street ops,”

Caputo boasted in his Facebook talk that the president had personally put him in charge of a $250 million public service advertising campaign intended to help America to get back to normal. “I’m not going anywhere,” he said. “I swear to God, as God is my witness, I am not stopping.” “I don’t want to talk about death anymore,” he said, adding, “You’re not waking up every morning and talking about dead Americans.”

The Health and Human Services department said in a statement: “Mr. Caputo is a critical, integral part of the president’s coronavirus response, leading on public messaging as Americans need public health information to defeat the COVID-19 pandemic.”

Michael Caputo has no background in health or science. In the 1980s Caputo was mentored by Roger Stone in politics, and became his driver. He learned from Stone that political campaigns could be turned into wins for candidates if the public found them entertaining. He and Roger Stone are very close friends. He testified before a House investigations panel that he talks with Roger Stone almost daily and has for years. He has also been close to Paul Manafort for almost as long.

Caputo moved to Russia in 1994, after the fall of the Soviet Union, and was an adviser to Boris Yeltsin. He established his own political public relations firm there. He worked for Russia's Gazprom Media in 2000 where he worked on improving the image of Vladimir Putin in the U.S. and once entertained Vladimir Putin at a reception at his house in Russia. He moved back to the U.S. and founded a public relations company, and then moved to Ukraine to work on a candidate's campaign for parliament.

Donald Trump hired Caputo in 2014 to launch an astroturfing campaign in support of his stalking-horse bid for the Buffalo Bills. Caputo established a shell organization "Bills Fan Thunder" and hired a fake leader. When Trump placed his bid and was no longer allowed to have ties to the organization, Caputo went fully rogue and launched a naked smear campaign against one of the other bidders, Jon Bon Jovi and Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment.

Caputo was a senior adviser to Trump's campaign from November 2015 to June 2016. On March 12, 2020 Caputo tweeted in response to the baseless conspiracy that the US brought coronavirus to Wuhan that, "Sure, millions of Chinese suck the blood out of rabid bats as an appetizer and eat the ass out of anteaters but some foreigner snuck in a bottle of the good stuff. That's it." He was appointed to his current position as Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services the next month.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/14/michael-caputo-coronavirus-sedition-election

https://www.baltimoresun.com/ct-nw-nyt-michael-caputo-video-sedition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Caputo
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« Reply #7230 on: September 14, 2020, 09:37:30 pm »

The story linked above by Robert Roaldi regarding Michael Caputo, the Trump appointed Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services for Public Affairs, and his activities to change, delay, suppress and retroactively edit scientific reports on COVID-19 by the Centers for Disease Control that were deemed to contradict or undermine what President Trump was saying publicly, just gets more insane. His job is to coordinate the messaging of HHS that functions as the center of the U.S. public health bureaucracy and includes the Food and Drug Administration, the CDC and the National Institutes of Health, which lead the government’s pandemic response.

Yesterday, Caputo in a Facebook Live broadcast went on a deranged rant in which he said...

- The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was harboring a “resistance unit” determined to undermine President Donald Trump. The CDC was riddled with anti-Trump researchers who “walk around like they are monks” and “holy men” but engage in “rotten science.” Scientists “deep in the bowels of the CDC have given up science and become political animals.”

- They “haven’t gotten out of their sweatpants except for meetings at coffee shops” to plot “how they’re going to attack Donald Trump next,” Caputo said. “There are scientists who work for this government who do not want America to get well, not until after Joe Biden is president.”

- “You understand that they’re going to have to kill me, and unfortunately, I think that’s where this is going,”

- Caputo on Sunday complained on Facebook that he was under siege by the media and said that his physical health was in question and his “mental health has definitely failed.” “I don’t like being alone in Washington,” he said, describing “shadows on the ceiling in my apartment, there alone, shadows are so long.”

- He then ran through a series of conspiracy theories, culminating in a prediction that Trump will win reelection but his Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, will refuse to concede. “And when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin. The drills that you’ve seen are nothing. If you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it’s going to be hard to get.”

- Caputo continued his social media effort after the Facebook event, retweeting a conspiratorial post that hinted with no evidence that armed camps were being established in Washington, D.C.: “Occupants don’t look like vagrants. Looks like forward basing for militant street ops,”

Caputo boasted in his Facebook talk that the president had personally put him in charge of a $250 million public service advertising campaign intended to help America to get back to normal. “I’m not going anywhere,” he said. “I swear to God, as God is my witness, I am not stopping.” “I don’t want to talk about death anymore,” he said, adding, “You’re not waking up every morning and talking about dead Americans.”

The Health and Human Services department said in a statement: “Mr. Caputo is a critical, integral part of the president’s coronavirus response, leading on public messaging as Americans need public health information to defeat the COVID-19 pandemic.”

Michael Caputo has no background in health or science. In the 1980s Caputo was mentored by Roger Stone in politics, and became his driver. He learned from Stone that political campaigns could be turned into wins for candidates if the public found them entertaining. He and Roger Stone are very close friends. He testified before a House investigations panel that he talks with Roger Stone almost daily and has for years. He has also been close to Paul Manafort for almost as long.

Caputo moved to Russia in 1994, after the fall of the Soviet Union, and was an adviser to Boris Yeltsin. He established his own political public relations firm there. He worked for Russia's Gazprom Media in 2000 where he worked on improving the image of Vladimir Putin in the U.S. and once entertained Vladimir Putin at a reception at his house in Russia. He moved back to the U.S. and founded a public relations company, and then moved to Ukraine to work on a candidate's campaign for parliament.

Donald Trump hired Caputo in 2014 to launch an astroturfing campaign in support of his stalking-horse bid for the Buffalo Bills. Caputo established a shell organization "Bills Fan Thunder" and hired a fake leader. When Trump placed his bid and was no longer allowed to have ties to the organization, Caputo went fully rogue and launched a naked smear campaign against one of the other bidders, Jon Bon Jovi and Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment.

Caputo was a senior adviser to Trump's campaign from November 2015 to June 2016. On March 12, 2020 Caputo tweeted in response to the baseless conspiracy that the US brought coronavirus to Wuhan that, "Sure, millions of Chinese suck the blood out of rabid bats as an appetizer and eat the ass out of anteaters but some foreigner snuck in a bottle of the good stuff. That's it." He was appointed to his current position as Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services the next month.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/14/michael-caputo-coronavirus-sedition-election

https://www.baltimoresun.com/ct-nw-nyt-michael-caputo-video-sedition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Caputo


Some of those quotes are surreal.

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« Reply #7231 on: September 15, 2020, 01:36:10 pm »

The story linked above by Robert Roaldi regarding Michael Caputo, the Trump appointed Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services for Public Affairs, and his activities to change, delay, suppress and retroactively edit scientific reports on COVID-19 by the Centers for Disease Control that were deemed to contradict or undermine what President Trump was saying publicly, just gets more insane. His job is to coordinate the messaging of HHS that functions as the center of the U.S. public health bureaucracy and includes the Food and Drug Administration, the CDC and the National Institutes of Health, which lead the government’s pandemic response.

Yesterday, Caputo in a Facebook Live broadcast went on a deranged rant in which he said...

- The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was harboring a “resistance unit” determined to undermine President Donald Trump. The CDC was riddled with anti-Trump researchers who “walk around like they are monks” and “holy men” but engage in “rotten science.” Scientists “deep in the bowels of the CDC have given up science and become political animals.”

- They “haven’t gotten out of their sweatpants except for meetings at coffee shops” to plot “how they’re going to attack Donald Trump next,” Caputo said. “There are scientists who work for this government who do not want America to get well, not until after Joe Biden is president.”

- “You understand that they’re going to have to kill me, and unfortunately, I think that’s where this is going,”

- Caputo on Sunday complained on Facebook that he was under siege by the media and said that his physical health was in question and his “mental health has definitely failed.” “I don’t like being alone in Washington,” he said, describing “shadows on the ceiling in my apartment, there alone, shadows are so long.”

- He then ran through a series of conspiracy theories, culminating in a prediction that Trump will win reelection but his Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, will refuse to concede. “And when Donald Trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin. The drills that you’ve seen are nothing. If you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it’s going to be hard to get.”

- Caputo continued his social media effort after the Facebook event, retweeting a conspiratorial post that hinted with no evidence that armed camps were being established in Washington, D.C.: “Occupants don’t look like vagrants. Looks like forward basing for militant street ops,”

Caputo boasted in his Facebook talk that the president had personally put him in charge of a $250 million public service advertising campaign intended to help America to get back to normal. “I’m not going anywhere,” he said. “I swear to God, as God is my witness, I am not stopping.” “I don’t want to talk about death anymore,” he said, adding, “You’re not waking up every morning and talking about dead Americans.”

The Health and Human Services department said in a statement: “Mr. Caputo is a critical, integral part of the president’s coronavirus response, leading on public messaging as Americans need public health information to defeat the COVID-19 pandemic.”

Michael Caputo has no background in health or science. In the 1980s Caputo was mentored by Roger Stone in politics, and became his driver. He learned from Stone that political campaigns could be turned into wins for candidates if the public found them entertaining. He and Roger Stone are very close friends. He testified before a House investigations panel that he talks with Roger Stone almost daily and has for years. He has also been close to Paul Manafort for almost as long.

Caputo moved to Russia in 1994, after the fall of the Soviet Union, and was an adviser to Boris Yeltsin. He established his own political public relations firm there. He worked for Russia's Gazprom Media in 2000 where he worked on improving the image of Vladimir Putin in the U.S. and once entertained Vladimir Putin at a reception at his house in Russia. He moved back to the U.S. and founded a public relations company, and then moved to Ukraine to work on a candidate's campaign for parliament.

Donald Trump hired Caputo in 2014 to launch an astroturfing campaign in support of his stalking-horse bid for the Buffalo Bills. Caputo established a shell organization "Bills Fan Thunder" and hired a fake leader. When Trump placed his bid and was no longer allowed to have ties to the organization, Caputo went fully rogue and launched a naked smear campaign against one of the other bidders, Jon Bon Jovi and Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment.

Caputo was a senior adviser to Trump's campaign from November 2015 to June 2016. On March 12, 2020 Caputo tweeted in response to the baseless conspiracy that the US brought coronavirus to Wuhan that, "Sure, millions of Chinese suck the blood out of rabid bats as an appetizer and eat the ass out of anteaters but some foreigner snuck in a bottle of the good stuff. That's it." He was appointed to his current position as Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services the next month.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/14/michael-caputo-coronavirus-sedition-election

https://www.baltimoresun.com/ct-nw-nyt-michael-caputo-video-sedition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Caputo


Caputo apologized, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/15/michael-caputo-apology-hhs-staff-415206. So that's ok now. Maybe someone talked to him, pointed to a bus and told him, "It's coming for you this time."

I get it that people want to reward loyal campaigners with cushy jobs, but shouldn't competence play a role. At least a little bit.
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« Reply #7232 on: September 15, 2020, 01:50:45 pm »

He blamed his behavior on physical health issues and dealing with death treats against his family. Does that sound plausible? I figured he was just one of those right wing conspiracy theorists who dwell in the Trump diaspora.
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« Reply #7233 on: September 15, 2020, 02:28:59 pm »

He blamed his behavior on physical health issues and dealing with death treats against his family. Does that sound plausible? I figured he was just one of those right wing conspiracy theorists who dwell in the Trump diaspora.

Mental health issues certainly sounds plausible. I hope he can get better and not too many more die as a result of his incompetence and interference.
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« Reply #7234 on: September 15, 2020, 02:41:51 pm »

Mental health issues certainly sounds plausible. I hope he can get better and not too many more die as a result of his incompetence and interference.

He wasn’t claiming mental health issues. He was claiming physical health issues.
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« Reply #7235 on: September 15, 2020, 03:34:24 pm »

He wasn’t claiming mental health issues. He was claiming physical health issues.

Oh right. Maybe the mental issues are just undiagnosed.
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« Reply #7236 on: September 15, 2020, 07:04:12 pm »

Oh right. Maybe the mental issues are just undiagnosed.

If any of you are fans of the long-running "Supernatural" TV show (streams on Netflix) you would have to think that perhaps Caputo is channeling that show. Really.
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« Reply #7237 on: September 15, 2020, 09:34:33 pm »

Scientific American - We’ve never backed a presidential candidate in our 175-year history—until now

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Scientific American has never endorsed a presidential candidate in its 175-year history. This year we are compelled to do so. We do not do this lightly.

The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science. The most devastating example is his dishonest and inept response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which cost more than 190,000 Americans their lives by the middle of September. He has also attacked environmental protections, medical care, and the researchers and public science agencies that help this country prepare for its greatest challenges. That is why we urge you to vote for Joe Biden, who is offering fact-based plans to protect our health, our economy and the environment. These and other proposals he has put forth can set the country back on course for a safer, more prosperous and more equitable future.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden/

* Originally posted in US Elections Thread and reposted here in case someone wants to debate the Covid response aspect of the editorial separately from every other assault on science being made by Trump, as required by the moderator.


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« Reply #7238 on: September 16, 2020, 04:00:27 am »

Donald Trump has claimed Covid-19 will “go away” without a vaccine. In an interview on ABC News on Tuesday, the US president said this would happen because of “herd mentality”. It remains unclear if he meant herd immunity, having repeated the phrase several times.

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« Reply #7239 on: September 16, 2020, 04:18:49 am »

He is hoping to be relected by herd mentality... never heard of herd mentality but then i am Dutch.
It is about today they reach 200.000 casualties; a herd on its own that lost its mentality.
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