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faberryman

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6880 on: August 12, 2020, 11:45:30 am »

All the pundits on cable TV are talking about nothing but her color.  All the Democrats were demanding that Biden pick no one but a Black woman, which he did.  It was based on gender and race.  Your dismissal of her ancestry isn't supported by the facts.

I am saying I really don't care about her ancestry, but it sure has gotten you and Ray all riled up. Why?

Now, what "facts" is my dismissal of her ancestry not supported by? That talking heads on cable news are talking about her race and gender?

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« Reply #6881 on: August 12, 2020, 01:31:52 pm »

I am saying I really don't care about her ancestry, but it sure has gotten you and Ray all riled up. Why?

Now, what "facts" is my dismissal of her ancestry not supported by? That talking heads on cable news are talking about her race and gender?


Exactly.  That's all they talked about. How Biden had to pick a black person, a woman.  That's racist and misogynist.  What would people say if I said the president has to pick a white man for a political position?  We should get past that.  We're all better than that.

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« Reply #6882 on: August 12, 2020, 01:49:28 pm »

Exactly.  That's all they talked about. How Biden had to pick a black person, a woman.  That's racist and misogynist.  What would people say if I said the president has to pick a white man for a political position?  We should get past that.  We're all better than that.

I don't know what "Exactly." refers to. Maybe talking heads talking about Harris's race and gender? What do you expect? They are paid to talk about it.  Only a small segment of people watch cable news, so I don't expect talking heads talking about it will make much difference. Maybe you should cut back on cable news watching if it upsets you. I didn't watch TV last night.
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« Reply #6883 on: August 12, 2020, 02:11:27 pm »

I don't know what "Exactly." refers to. Maybe talking heads talking about Harris's race and gender? What do you expect? They are paid to talk about it.  Only a small segment of people watch cable news, so I don't expect talking heads talking about it will make much difference. Maybe you should cut back on cable news watching if it upsets you. I didn't watch TV last night.
It wasn't just talking heads.  The whole democrat party political class was demanding that he pick a black woman. And Biden sucked up to them by agreeing he would do that.  Oh.  If she had some credentials for being VP, that would be helpful too. 

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« Reply #6884 on: August 12, 2020, 02:14:45 pm »

It wasn't just talking heads.  The whole democrat party political class was demanding that he pick a black woman. And Biden sucked up to them by agreeing he would do that.  Oh.  If she had some credentials for being VP, that would be helpful too.

What do you care? You aren't going to vote for Biden anyway.

I didn't hear this level of hysteria from you when Trump picked Pence to lock in the evangelical vote.
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« Reply #6885 on: August 12, 2020, 02:24:50 pm »

What do you care? You aren't going to vote for Biden anyway.
I care because all this picking people and dividing people by race, gender, religion,  heritage divides us as Americans and causes conflicts among us.  We separate into tribes rather than acting like Americans, a common people.  It's dangerous. It encourages us against them. It plays out in violence pitting one group against the other like Shia and Sunni Iraqis or ISIS. Northern Ireland comes to mind.  Even the French Quebecois and English in Canada.  We don't need that.

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« Reply #6886 on: August 12, 2020, 02:27:50 pm »

I care because all this picking people and dividing people by race, gender, religion,  heritage divides us as Americans and causes conflicts among us.  We separate into tribes rather than acting like Americans, a common people.  It's dangerous. It encourages us against them. It plays out in violence pitting one group against the other like Shia and Sunni Iraqis or ISIS. Northern Ireland comes to mind.  Even the French Quebecois and English in Canada.  We don't need that.

Like I mentioned before, Trump has done more harm by dividing the people than any other president I've known. The unrest in the US is worsening. If you are so against dividing the people, why are you going to vote for Trump?
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« Reply #6887 on: August 12, 2020, 02:33:17 pm »

I care because all this picking people and dividing people by race, gender, religion,  heritage divides us as Americans and causes conflicts among us.  We separate into tribes rather than acting like Americans, a common people.  It's dangerous. It encourages us against them. It plays out in violence pitting one group against the other like Shia and Sunni Iraqis or ISIS. Northern Ireland comes to mind.  Even the French Quebecois and English in Canada.  We don't need that.

You sound overwrought to me. I am more concerned about the white supremacists voting for Trump because Biden's VP pick is black (or whatever you determine her ancestry to be). They are the ones with guns. And they aren't wearing masks.

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« Reply #6888 on: August 12, 2020, 02:36:03 pm »

Like I mentioned before, Trump has done more harm by dividing the people than any other president I've known. The unrest in the US is worsening. If you are so against dividing the people, why are you going to vote for Trump?
I'm voting for Trump because the Democrats are more socialist than he.  I also think he can defend the US better than Biden.

Regarding your other point, how can you accuse Trump with a straight face of dividing people when your candidate Biden deliberately says he ruling out white people for VP?  THat he's going to act prejudicial towards a particular race?  Don't you see how that drives the other side into defending their prerogatives, for joining  up as a group to counter it?  By your demanding certain group like blacks and women get favorite treatment, you encourage other groups to demand their fair share as well.  It's the Democrats that are causing this divide playing the race and gender cards for years, long before Trump.  Now he is acting as a counter to your prejudice.  Both sides are wrong and should stop it.  But you can't complain when the other side does what you're doing. 

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« Reply #6889 on: August 12, 2020, 02:38:38 pm »

You sound overwrought to me. I am more concerned about the white supremacists voting for Trump because Biden's VP pick is black (or whatever you determine her ancestry to be). They are the ones with guns. And they aren't wearing masks.


You're trying to distract from the fact that Democrats are acting racist by demanding a black VP. 

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« Reply #6890 on: August 12, 2020, 02:39:03 pm »

I'm voting for Trump because the Democrats are more socialist than he.  I also think he can defend the US better than Biden.

Regarding your other point, how can you accuse Trump with a straight face of dividing people when your candidate Biden deliberately says he ruling out white people for VP?  THat he's going to act prejudicial towards a particular race?  Don't you see how that drives the other side into defending their prerogatives, for joining  up as a group to counter it?  By your demanding certain group like blacks and women get favorite treatment, you encourage other groups to demand their fair share as well.  It's the Democrats that are causing this divide playing the race and gender cards for years, long before Trump.  Now he is acting as a counter to your prejudice.  Both sides are wrong and should stop it.  But you can't complain when the other side does what you're doing.

Trumps actions over and over show he'd never consider a black Vice President. Words are one thing...actions is a totally different thing.

"Those shit hole countries in Africa" comes to mind.
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« Reply #6891 on: August 12, 2020, 02:43:58 pm »

You're trying to distract from the fact that Democrats are acting racist by demanding a black VP.

Well, if that's what you think, don't vote for them. But please try to get a grip on yourself.
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« Reply #6892 on: August 12, 2020, 02:49:25 pm »

... the fact that Democrats are acting racist by demanding a black VP.

They are?

Relax, Alan, stick to decaf.
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« Reply #6893 on: August 12, 2020, 02:54:47 pm »

Trumps actions over and over show he'd never consider a black Vice President. Words are one thing...actions is a totally different thing.

"Those shit hole countries in Africa" comes to mind.
He wasn't referring to the people there but rather their economic and corrupt conditions.

However, you're point has a certain amount of validity.  What's happening is like I said above, democrats playing the race card and gender politics, have caused people on the other side to close ranks to protect themselves.  It's forced them to identify by race and gender too.  Democrats are causing this dividing up into tribes.  None of it is good.  People should be rewarded by their talent and hard work.

When I had my small contracting company in NYC, I used to have to fight large companies with loads of resources to win contracts from the NYC government.  Meanwhile, minorities and women owned companies had selected projects where the large companies couldn't bid nor could my small company because I was neither black, Hispanic, nor female.  It counted for nothing that I was a poor white guy from The Bronx. Not that I was looking for special treatment, just a fair process.  Why was I selected out of that process? I didn't grow up black and female like Harris.  So Democrats separated me out into a non-deserving group.  Why?  How's that fair? That kind of gender and race politics and economics pushes people into their own groups supported by those who will fight for them.  Democrats created the very adversarial racist politics they then complain about.  They're phonies. 

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« Reply #6894 on: August 12, 2020, 02:55:10 pm »

By your demanding certain group like blacks and women get favorite treatment, you encourage other groups to demand their fair share as well.

Is there a problem with people asking for their fair share?
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« Reply #6895 on: August 12, 2020, 03:06:07 pm »

Is there a problem with people asking for their fair share?
When it's done at the expense of someone else who's just as deserving, yes. 

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« Reply #6896 on: August 12, 2020, 03:11:18 pm »

When it's done at the expense of someone else who's just as deserving, yes.

I thought we were talking about fair shares, not unfair shares.
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« Reply #6897 on: August 12, 2020, 03:16:12 pm »

I thought we were talking about fair shares, not unfair shares.
Contracts and jobs  and college admissions aren't awarded to groups. Individuals get them.  So if I as a person can't even bid a NYC contract because I'm neither a minority nor female, then I've been treated unfairly.  I've been prejudiced out of the selection process.  So if a candidate comes along and promises to do away with policy that favors blacks, women and other "minorities", I'm going to support that candidate.  It's not that I'm a racist.  I just want to be treated fairly on an even playing field.

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« Reply #6898 on: August 12, 2020, 03:19:21 pm »

Contracts and jobs  and college admissions aren't awarded to groups. Individuals get them.  So if I as a person can't even bid a NYC contract because I'm neither a minority nor female, then I've been treated unfairly.  I've been prejudiced out of the selection process.  So if a candidate comes along and promises to do away with policy that favors blacks, women and other "minorities", I'm going to support that candidate.  It's not that I'm a racist.  I just want to be treated fairly on an even playing field.

So who got cheated out of Biden's VP pick?

Did anyone get cheated out of Trump's VP pick of Pence? Trump picked a Republican, so all the Democrats got cheated because they were automatically excluded. Doesn't seem fair. And Pence is male so all the females got cheated. And Pence is white so all the people of color got cheated. And Pence is an evangelical, so all the non-evagelicals got cheated. Need I go on?
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« Reply #6899 on: August 12, 2020, 03:24:47 pm »

So who got cheated out of the VP pick? Did anyone get cheated out of Trump's VP pick of Pence?
The American people were cheated.   By limiting the selection process to black females only, Biden eliminated 90% the country where someone more qualified than Kamala Harris could have been picked.

Those potential selectees within the 90% were also cheated. They weren't even considered. 
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