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[faberryman]

An undivided government does not consider the whole country.  They have too much power.  Our freedoms are better protected when both parties control the government.

Sounds like you have that book memorized.

[Alan Klein]

What are you referring to when you say : an undivided government? A one party system? Who is talking about that! I don’t think you even know what socialism really is....not communism but a social democratic system...i grew up in one, nothing is perfect but there is perfect and then there is the US in 2020...systematic rascism, and a race to the bottom in terms of economic inequality....
Of course having only 2 parties that will agree on one thing only (making sure there will never be a third) does not help....
this is barely a democracy at all anymore anyway at this point.....

I didn't mean that an undivided government is necessarily socialist. I was referring to government when one party, either Democrat or Republican, control the presidency and both houses of Congress.  There's little thought of compromise. Either party rides roughshod over the other and dismiss half the country's citizens.  Also, laws are passed two quickly and with little thought. 

Socialism is a different concept.  America is already half way there.  Calling socialism social democracy reminds me of calling death passing away.  It's pretty much the same thing.  Whenever government decides to control your money, you lose freedoms. Currently both parties have drank the Cool-Aide and are printing money with no thought of how they're destroying the currency and will push this country into a worse depression.  There won't be any cheese left for a mouse to get a tooth in. 

[hogloff]

I didn't mean that an undivided government is necessarily socialist. I was referring to government when one party, either Democrat or Republican, control the presidency and both houses of Congress.  There's little thought of compromise. Either party rides roughshod over the other and dismiss half the country's citizens.  Also, laws are passed two quickly and with little thought. 

Socialism is a different concept.  America is already half way there.  Calling socialism social democracy reminds me of calling death passing away.  It's pretty much the same thing.  Whenever government decides to control your money, you lose freedoms. Currently both parties have drank the Cool-Aide and are printing money with no thought of how they're destroying the currency and will push this country into a worse depression.  There won't be any cheese left for a mouse to get a tooth in.

Would you call the Norwegian countries socialist? Would you call Canada socialist? If so...give me that than what America has become. I have freedom, I have my health taken care of and I have a nice pension that keeps me fed. I'm also very proud that the many Syrian families that made my town home have these same basic rights.

[pschefz]

I didn't mean that an undivided government is necessarily socialist. I was referring to government when one party, either Democrat or Republican, control the presidency and both houses of Congress.  There's little thought of compromise. Either party rides roughshod over the other and dismiss half the country's citizens.  Also, laws are passed two quickly and with little thought. 

Socialism is a different concept.  America is already half way there.  Calling socialism social democracy reminds me of calling death passing away.  It's pretty much the same thing.  Whenever government decides to control your money, you lose freedoms. Currently both parties have drank the Cool-Aide and are printing money with no thought of how they're destroying the currency and will push this country into a worse depression.  There won't be any cheese left for a mouse to get a tooth in.

Where do you get this stuff? Government controls your money? What are you talking about? Pretty much all of Europe is democratic, most basic ideas are based on social democracies (which most countries in Europe are) .....there are billionaires, there are less fortunate, a lot of doctors drive Porsche’s, play golf and probably buy leicas as well....but there is healthcare for all, education for all and people don’t have to fear the police....pretty basic stuff actually...
You live in some Reagan aera propaganda commercial....go hide, the Russians are coming! Funny thing is, the Russians are much more of danger today....especially with Trump not even having a clue how much is is being played....

Everybody (everybody, really everybody) knows that this dragging on and dragging out none existent government action on COVID is what is breaking the bank.....not to mention the human cost....all other developed countries have taken drastic measures early, maybe took a bigger hit earlier but are on the way to recovery....the US with its non response dragged its feet, it cost literally trillions and we are worse off....so it will cost trillions more....and again....this is not the fault of the democrats....and really, NOT giving people the cash and lifeline now will cost even more....but that just does not seem to be in the republican playbook: thinking a year or even two ahead.....

[Alan Klein]

We're living on debt. Currency will be worthless.  The bells will toll.  Wealth is being disappated and transferred to the rich. What is social democracy going to do when the whole thing collapses?

[Jim Pascoe]

We're living on debt. Currency will be worthless.  The bells will toll.  Wealth is being disappated and transferred to the rich. What is social democracy going to do when the whole thing collapses?

Possibly start again with a better system.....?

Jim

[Jim Pascoe]

Peter: that was obviously written by some guy who sees his side of politics as something honorable and moral.  But when the other side practices it, it's dishonorable and immoral.  These are the same people who favor free speech as long as the speech concurs with their thinking.  If the other sides speech doesn't,  than it shouldn't even be allowed. It must be quashed.  It's these people who are the true Fascists who want to control the universe to their liking. They abhor freedom.  They are the statists who seek power and want to control you from cradle to grave.

Alan - that is the point - the author is writing about politics in general - not about their own politics. You (and I'm not really singling you out personally in this) are exactly the subject of the author.  You see everything as left or right, Rep or Dem, black or white.  Everything.

Jim

[BernardLanguillier]

We're living on debt. Currency will be worthless.  The bells will toll.  Wealth is being disappated and transferred to the rich. What is social democracy going to do when the whole thing collapses?

Could you please be a bit more nuanced in your criticism of the consequences of Trump’s decisions?

Because what you describe is exactly the result of his decisions, more so than any president before him.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BernardLanguillier]

Alex Azar is in Taiwan.

Trump obviously designed the move to mess with China, but he may not have understood the implicit admission of his failure to deal with the covid19 crisis.

Taiwan, the closest country to China, 23 million inhabitants, super dense,... 7 deaths. Extrapolated to the US (15 times higher population)... it should mean 150 deaths... not 162,000.

So Trump sends Azar to acknowledge that Taiwan has been 1,000+ times better than his administration to deal with covid.

I applaud the lucidity!!!

Irony aside, what this is telling us though is that Trump is most probably putting together a plan to once again run away from his historical failures. This time by triggering a form of conflict with China. Every single move he is making is designed to support this strategy. The bigger it is the better.

I hope that democratic forces in the US will be able to stop this. Because we have a man here who is trying to start a war to hide his personal incompetence...

Regards,
Bernard

[jeremyrh]

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1293144638338015236?s=21

There he goes again - well I guess one World War is much like another!

[Alan Klein]

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1293144638338015236?s=21

There he goes again - well I guess one World War is much like another!

Oh stop it. A verbal misqueue.  He's talked about the Spanish flu before how it occured 100 years ago. 

[faberryman]

Oh stop it. A verbal misqueue.  He's talked about the Spanish flu before how it occured 100 years ago.

So does this mean you will not point out any of Biden's gaffes?

[Alan Klein]

So does this mean you will not point out any of Biden's gaffes?

So does this mean you will not point out any of Biden's gaffes?

I don't have a problem with his gaffes. We all make those.  But I really think he's a little senile.He just picked Kamala Harris as his VP running mate.  So the question that will be asked, is whether she can take over as president, just in case.

[faberryman]

I don't have a problem with his gaffes. We all make those.  But I really think he's a little senile.He just picked Kamala Harris as his VP running mate.  So the question that will be asked, is whether she can take over as president, just in case.

So long as he is only a little senile he will be fine. Kamala Harris seems like a good choice from among those in contention.

[Alan Klein]

So long as he is only a little senile he will be fine. Kamala Harris seems like a good choice from among those in contention.

So long as he is only a little senile he will be fine. Kamala Harris seems like a good choice from among those in contention.

Maybe he could hang out with me in a nursing home.

[faberryman]

Maybe he could hang out with me in a nursing home.

You'd have to ask him.

[hogloff]

Oh stop it. A verbal misqueue.  He's talked about the Spanish flu before how it occured 100 years ago.

He's good at misqueues, little white lies and full out bullshit.

[hogloff]

I don't have a problem with his gaffes. We all make those.  But I really think he's a little senile.He just picked Kamala Harris as his VP running mate.  So the question that will be asked, is whether she can take over as president, just in case.

Well Biden was seen riding a bike for excersise while trump needed help walking up a ramp and struggled with a glass of water at West Point. Then there was that mysterious unplanned doctor visit last November. And let's not forget whose obese. I'd out my money on Biden in a fitness test anyday...and as far as mental fitness...Trump has lost it long ago...he's unfit for his current position...I can't see how he could last another 4.

[Chris Kern]

Well Biden was seen riding a bike for excersise while trump needed help walking up a ramp and struggled with a glass of water at West Point. Then there was that mysterious unplanned doctor visit last November. And let's not forget whose obese. I'd out my money on Biden in a fitness test anyday . . .

Great idea!  Let's skip the debates* and go straight to the treadmill.

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*Just the presidential ones, however.  It would be gratuitously painful to ask the public to watch two inarticulate old guys trying to outdo each other in mangling the English language.  But I'm really looking forward to the televised debate on Oct. 7 between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence: the litigator v. the ideologue.

[Peter McLennan]

Alan - that is the point - the author is writing about politics in general - not about their own politics. You (and I'm not really singling you out personally in this) are exactly the subject of the author.  You see everything as left or right, Rep or Dem, black or white.  Everything.

Jim

Exactly, Jim.  Which is why I replied to Alan:

You do realize, don't you, that you've perfectly validated the article's premise?

Unfortunately, it went  hwffffttttt!