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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6020 on: July 07, 2020, 11:11:13 am »

No problem if Bolsonaro dies. He has three sons governing Brazil with him.
Anyone can take over

I never wish the death of a fellow human being, as obnoxious as he may be.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6021 on: July 07, 2020, 11:17:10 am »

This is why the United States is recording 50,000+ new cases a day:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/07/florida-carsyn-davis-coronavirus/

"A medical examiner’s report recently made public, however, has raised questions about Carsyn’s case. The Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner found that the immunocompromised teen went to a large church party with roughly 100 other children where she did not wear a mask and social distancing was not enforced. Then, after getting sick, nearly a week passed before she was taken to the hospital, and during that time her parents gave her hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug touted by President Trump that the Food and Drug Administration has issued warnings about, saying usage could cause potentially deadly heart rhythm problems."

Oh, her father was a physician assistant and her mother was a nurse. They tried putting her in her grandfather's oxygen tent before finally taking her to the hospital where they refused to have her intubated. Two hospital transfers later, she was finally intubated but died.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/two-weeks-prior-to-dying-from-coronavirus-teen-attended-church-party-with-100-people-report

Sad story, especially since the young lady had several risk factors, including cancer and immnunodepression. Not exercising simple infection risk mitigation measures can be fatal.

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« Reply #6022 on: July 07, 2020, 11:21:09 am »

I never wish the death of a fellow human being, as obnoxious as he may be.
Nor do I, Paulo.
But if he does die, his children are there to replace him. That's what I'm saying.

Anyway he's doing  a lot of damage to his people. As do some other obnoxities as well
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« Reply #6023 on: July 07, 2020, 11:30:05 am »

I never wish the death of a fellow human being, as obnoxious as he may be.

Nor me, whereas Trump thought it "beautiful" to see medical workers die in the fight against coronavirus.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6024 on: July 07, 2020, 11:59:14 am »

Bolsonaro has now tested positive.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-positive-coronavirus-intl/index.html

No big deal. It's just a "little flu". Expanding on the riff: “That's life," he said. "We're all going to die someday."
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6025 on: July 07, 2020, 12:16:18 pm »

Bolsonaro has now tested positive.

No problem. He's now already taking the medicine "Hydroquinone" (or some like that)  that prescribed Dr.Trump
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6026 on: July 07, 2020, 12:17:28 pm »

Sad story, especially since the young lady had several risk factors, including cancer and immnunodepression. Not exercising simple infection risk mitigation measures can be fatal.

Sad indeed. Here is a link to the medical examiner's report. "Cause of Death: Complications of COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) Pneumonia"

https://floridacovidaction.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/carsyn-leigh.pdf

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6027 on: July 07, 2020, 12:18:17 pm »

Nor do I, Paulo.
But if he does die, his children are there to replace him. That's what I'm saying.

Anyway he's doing  a lot of damage to his people. As do some other obnoxities as well

I don´t know how it would work his potential replacement. Anyway, his test came back positive, but he says he is doing ok.

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« Reply #6028 on: July 07, 2020, 12:27:07 pm »

Sad indeed. Here is a link to the medical examiner's report. "Cause of Death: Complications of COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) Pneumonia"

https://floridacovidaction.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/carsyn-leigh.pdf

I didn't see any reference to parental idiocy.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6029 on: July 07, 2020, 12:57:43 pm »

I didn't see any reference to parental idiocy.

Their parental idiocy speaks for itself and I frankly think warrants investigation for criminal neglect.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6030 on: July 07, 2020, 01:35:17 pm »

Idiocy isn't criminal.  They lost their kid,  suffering enough and have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

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« Reply #6031 on: July 07, 2020, 01:46:16 pm »

Idiocy isn't criminal.

Idiocy and criminal neglect are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they frequently are exhibited simultaneously.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6032 on: July 07, 2020, 02:52:35 pm »

Idiocy isn't criminal.  They lost their kid,  suffering enough and have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

It's criminal if it results in neglect...especially if a minor is involved. The person that suffered the most is the kid.
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« Reply #6033 on: July 07, 2020, 03:15:20 pm »

We don't need the state telling parents how to care for their children.  This is not a case of deliberate harm but an error in judgment as to proper care something we are all guilty of as parents. Don't be so righteous.  These people lost their child.  Leave them alone. 

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« Reply #6034 on: July 07, 2020, 03:37:25 pm »

We don't need the state telling parents how to care for their children.  This is not a case of deliberate harm but an error in judgment as to proper care something we are all guilty of as parents. Don't be so righteous.  These people lost their child.  Leave them alone.

Sorry, but we do need to be sure children are not in harm by their environment or the people looking after them. Do you feel a single mom who turns tricks at home and spends all the money on booze and drugs, leaving her kids malnourished...should be allowed to continue raising those kids, or maybe someone needs to step in?
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« Reply #6035 on: July 07, 2020, 03:44:42 pm »

Sorry, but we do need to be sure children are not in harm by their environment or the people looking after them. Do you feel a single mom who turns tricks at home and spends all the money on booze and drugs, leaving her kids malnourished...should be allowed to continue raising those kids, or maybe someone needs to step in?
Red herring.  Both parents were nurses who tried to use their professional skills, obviously unsuccessfully,  to help their child.  The father wasn't a pimp and the mother wasn't turning tricks.  If that were the case, and the child died because of their neglect, then you'd have a different story.  But don't make things up about them that they weren't.

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« Reply #6036 on: July 07, 2020, 04:11:46 pm »

Red herring.  Both parents were nurses who tried to use their professional skills, obviously unsuccessfully,  to help their child.  The father wasn't a pimp and the mother wasn't turning tricks.  If that were the case, and the child died because of their neglect, then you'd have a different story.  But don't make things up about them that they weren't.

But the child did die of neglect of proper medical care. Being nurses they should have known better. Neglect is neglect...no matter if you are a nurse or a hooker.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6037 on: July 07, 2020, 04:16:22 pm »

But the child did die of neglect of proper medical care. Being nurses they should have known better. Neglect is neglect...no matter if you are a nurse or a hooker.
Don't forget taking your at risk child to a party with 100 other people, none of whom were practicing social distancing or wearing masks, in the middle of  a pandemic. Hello.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6038 on: July 07, 2020, 04:32:15 pm »

Don't forget taking your child to a party with 100 other people, none of whom were practicing social distancing or wearing masks, in the middle of  a pandemic. Hello.
So we ought to take the kids away from 100 parents?  It's none of your business.

I was watching a video on Youtube the other day.  The father had his kid on top of a mountain that they both jumped off of each in their own hang-gliding outfit.  I think that's neglectful.  But that's me.  Everyone looks at these things differently. Certainly the parents thought they were doing the right thing based on their experience.  Isn't that what we all do raising our children.  Yet, often we are wrong.  But we don't punish parents If they screw up.  It's hard enough on a parent having lost their child that may have been due to their action or inaction. Putting them in jail ism inappropriate.  We don't need government bureaucrats interfering with parental decisions unless it's patently obvious there's neglect.  Families should be left alone and be responsible as they see fit.  These people appear to have been trying to do their best to help their child.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6039 on: July 07, 2020, 04:38:07 pm »

Of course the Founders disagreed on what the final rules should be.  But once those rules were agreed to and memorialized in the written Constitution, it's the constitution that counts.  Using arguments by the "losers" of the arguments makes no sense and has nothing to do with strict interpretation.  You have to go to the written final words for the rules.  Unfortunately, justices have read more into those words than are there in many cases enacting de facto laws never intended by the people or enacted by the Congress.  It's one of the reasons we have a huge, abusive, out-of-control central government, something all the Founders never intended.

The US Constitution is an extraordinarily short document that will fit in your pocket. As originally written, in longhand on parchment, it is all of 4 pages long including all of the signatures. The first 10 amendments added another page. I mention this only to point out that it is a document that is long on the framework of government and relatively short on specific "rules" of governing which are largely left to the various branches of government contained in the framework to sort out. Just to be clear, I'm not saying there are no "rules" in the Constitution. I'm only saying that it devotes a good deal more time to laying out the structure of government than to what laws the Congress should pass, how the Executive Branch should implement them, or how courts should rule on those laws and implementations by which we are governed.

It was the object of a great deal of interpreting by its authors prior to ratification, subsequent to ratification, and by the generations that have followed for centuries. The brevity of the proposed Constitution, while it was being debated in the various states during the ratification process, required a lengthy series of 85 essays (now called the Federalist Papers) that interpreted the meaning, benefits, and words of the Constitution in order to promote the plan to the states and to counter the published essays of those opposed to the new Constitution in what have become known as the Anti-Federalist papers.

The Federalist Papers essays were written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, who were the leading proponents of the need for a new Constitution, and by John Jay the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Because the vast majority were written by Hamilton and Madison, who were instrumental in the drafting and adoption of the Constitution, the Federalist Papers are given great weight and are the most referenced documents in court decisions aside from the Constitution itself.

Here's an excerpt from Federalist 34: "Constitutions of civil government are not to be framed upon a calculation of existing exigencies, but upon a combination of these with the probable exigencies of ages, according to the natural and tried course of human affairs. Nothing, therefore, can be more fallacious than to infer the extent of any power, proper to be lodged in the national government, from an estimate of its immediate necessities. There ought to be a CAPACITY to provide for future contingencies as they may happen; and as these are illimitable in their nature, it is impossible safely to limit that capacity." *The use of all capital letters in the word "capacity" is in the original document by Hamilton. It is has not been altered by me.

Not only did the authors of the Constitution begin to disagree with each other as to their interpretations of the intent and meaning of the document immediately after it was ratified, they changed their individual interpretations at different times and under varying circumstances. One example of this is Madison, who as a congressman in the first session of Congress following ratification, lead opposition to Hamilton's proposal for establishing the First Bank of the United States as unconstitutional, but was defeated. Later, when serving as President, he changed his mind and proposed establishment of the Second Bank of the United States (after the term of the First had expired) as he had come to believe it necessary for orderly government and therefore no longer interpreted it as unconstitutional. In fact, Madison as President reversed himself on many policies that he had earlier opposed on constitutional grounds.

So please forgive me if my eyes roll or I happen to cringe when I hear someone today claim to speak for what "all the Founders never intended" or intended.
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