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Peter McLennan

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5840 on: June 24, 2020, 09:28:38 pm »

As someone about 20% into Bolton's book, I share interest in responses to Bernard's inquiry.
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« Reply #5841 on: June 24, 2020, 09:45:29 pm »

For some people an inconvenience is not being able to get a haircut or pedicure, or not getting served at a restaurant.
To an uninitiated even postponement of elective surgery or a chemotherapy treatment may seem to be inconvenience, but to somebody in dire need of a medical diagnosis or a treatment it is a matter of life and death. If a tattoo artist or barber is allowed to ply his trade with a mask on, the doctors should be allowed to do it, too.

I'm glad that you and your friends are OK. Unfortunately, in the last few months I witnessed several deaths and complications due to medical offices being closed by overly rigid administration rules rather than governed by common sense and practical arrangements.

As a point of fact, me and my friends are *not* ok.  I lost one of my oldest, best friends on the leading edge of this thing.  He was 49 years old, and you can read about him here. I and several other friends were waiting to talk to him on the phone when he died.

Please understand - I am absolutely not minimizing or otherwise downplaying the tragic loss of someone who was unable to get necessary treatment due to shutdowns.  The loss of their lives in not one bit less tragic than that of Chad's.  My point is that we could have had another 10K, 100K, or 500K "Chads," and preventing that has to be weighed against the cost of people that are suffering because of limited accessibility to treatment and services.
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« Reply #5842 on: June 24, 2020, 10:10:23 pm »

Please understand - I am absolutely not minimizing or otherwise downplaying the tragic loss of someone who was unable to get necessary treatment due to shutdowns.  The loss of their lives in not one bit less tragic than that of Chad's.  My point is that we could have had another 10K, 100K, or 500K "Chads," and preventing that has to be weighed against the cost of people that are suffering because of limited accessibility to treatment and services.

James, we are talking about two different things. Waiting rooms full with sick people are obviously quite risky. So are the big rallies or mass street demonstrations.
Doctor with a proper N95 mask and plastic shield, examining one patient at a time in an enclosed office with an air purifier is quite safe (unless the patient is coughing, sneezing, having elevated temperature - which would disqualify him from seeing that doctor in the first place).

As I mentioned, last week I went to my dentist, and the procedure was the pretty much the same as last year, before Covid-19. As an experienced professional, already then he wore a mask and protective glasses. The only difference was the air purifier in the examination room, forehead temperature sensor, and the plexiglass barriers for the receptionists. And for this we had to wait 15 weeks?

Most people are responsible and willing to take the required precautions when engaging in business or in a hospital. Even the long term care homes where 80% of the deaths in Canada occurred, came up with safe procedures how to protect the old, yet taking good care of them.

As to the dummies who congregate where they shouldn't, that's an entirely different story and I wish too that they could be locked up for a long time.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5843 on: June 24, 2020, 10:15:40 pm »

James, we are talking about two different things. Waiting rooms full with sick people are obviously quite risky. So are the big rallies or mass street demonstrations.
Doctor with a proper N95 mask and plastic shield, examining one patient at a time in an enclosed office with an air purifier is quite safe (unless the patient is coughing, sneezing, having elevated temperature - which would disqualify him from seeing that doctor in the first place).

As I mentioned, last week I went to my dentist, and the procedure was the pretty much the same as last year, before Covid-19. As an experienced professional, already then he wore a mask and protective glasses. The only difference was the air purifier in the examination room, forehead temperature sensor, and the plexiglass barriers for the receptionists. And for this we had to wait 15 weeks?

Sure - I get that it seems silly.  I guess I just don't see it as overly intrusive when we're still working out what the very best safety precautions are.

Most people are responsible and willing to take the required precautions when engaging in business or in a hospital. Even the long term care homes where 80% of the deaths in Canada occurred, came up with safe procedures how to protect the old, yet taking good care of them.

This is not the case where I live ;)

As to the dummies who congregate where they shouldn't, that's an entirely different story and I wish too that they could be locked up for a long time.

This IS the case where I live - we've got a lot of these chumps to deal with :(
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« Reply #5844 on: June 25, 2020, 03:33:53 am »

As someone about 20% into Bolton's book, I share interest in responses to Bernard's inquiry.

You may share the interest and you may discuss it to your heart's content but unless it's relevant to Covid-19, you will do it elsewhere.

Jeremy
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5845 on: June 25, 2020, 04:01:59 am »

I think you are making an assumption that I was hating Obama for being black, instead for his policies? And by the same token, that I support Trump based on his personality? Neither is true, and in both cases I support or not their policies, not personalities.

Is that why you refer to him as "Hussein"?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5846 on: June 25, 2020, 04:34:55 am »

Is that why you refer to him as "Hussein"?

Why wouldn’t I? It IS* his middle name.

* I initially carelessly typed IS twice

P.S. If you want to continue this discussion, move it to the new Election thread please.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5847 on: June 25, 2020, 07:21:03 am »

You may share the interest and you may discuss it to your heart's content but unless it's relevant to Covid-19, you will do it elsewhere.

Jeremy

Apologies, you are right I should have asked this elsewhere.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5848 on: June 25, 2020, 11:27:33 am »

Maybe this should go in the humor thread - I'm just not sure. 

Twitter link to an absolutely batshit insane woman ranting about how masks are the devil's work

She also touches on Bill Gates, citizens' arrest and martial law.  Sadly, her time expired before the name of George Soros was invoked.
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« Reply #5849 on: June 25, 2020, 11:56:21 am »

Maybe this should go in the humor thread - I'm just not sure. 
Free speech folks, free speech. Anybody figured out what her t-shirt says?
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« Reply #5850 on: June 25, 2020, 03:38:41 pm »

I thought it was Florida. 

Huge crowds on England's south coast as people flock to beaches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UULP1RR-9es

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« Reply #5851 on: June 25, 2020, 04:02:31 pm »

I thought it was Florida. 

Huge crowds on England's south coast as people flock to beaches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UULP1RR-9es

Crazy shit.

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« Reply #5852 on: June 25, 2020, 04:07:33 pm »

Actually, the Brighton video portion towards the end doesn't look that bad.  People are spread out more than two meters.  The first section is condensed with a telephoto lens.  We all know that trick on how to squeeze people together.  The press has been biasing their videos over here in America too squeezing everyone together in crowds with big glass - photo journalism at its worst.

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« Reply #5853 on: June 25, 2020, 04:44:57 pm »

Actually, the Brighton video portion towards the end doesn't look that bad.  People are spread out more than two meters.  The first section is condensed with a telephoto lens.  We all know that trick on how to squeeze people together.  The press has been biasing their videos over here in America too squeezing everyone together in crowds with big glass - photo journalism at its worst.

I don't think the beach is really the issue...but the burger stands and pubs that line the beaches where all those thirsty and hungry beach goers end up is another story.

I've seen footage of beach bars crowded with young people dressed in beach attire.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5854 on: June 25, 2020, 05:23:27 pm »

It sure seems that COVID-19 is spiraling out of control in Texas. Fourteen continuous days of record hospitalizations. Fifty-five hundred new cases today. The governor has outlawed elective surgeries in the four largest counties to preserve ICU space. Houston is already out of ICU beds. Florida, Arizona and California aren't doing much better. Still waiting for the virus to magically go away.

Is a mandatory face mask requirement during a pandemic really such an intolerable impingement on personal liberty?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/25/texas-gov-abbott-pauses-states-reopening-plan-as-coronavirus-cases-hospitalizations-rise.html
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5855 on: June 25, 2020, 05:46:32 pm »

Unfortunately 2,200 casualties were reported today, which is the level we saw at the peak of the pandemic.

In separate news some Japan officials are starting to speak about not reopening the country to permanent residents having traveled out of the country before early 2021...

Regards,
Bernard

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« Reply #5856 on: June 25, 2020, 09:36:21 pm »

I don't think the beach is really the issue...but the burger stands and pubs that line the beaches where all those thirsty and hungry beach goers end up is another story.

I've seen footage of beach bars crowded with young people dressed in beach attire.
If that is true, than the video should have shown the burger stands not some squeezed telephoto shot of the beach that's a phony representation.  That's poor journalism and one of the reasons many people have lost respect for media and photojournalism. 

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« Reply #5857 on: June 25, 2020, 09:42:08 pm »

It sure seems that COVID-19 is spiraling out of control in Texas. Fourteen continuous days of record hospitalizations. Fifty-five hundred new cases today. The governor has outlawed elective surgeries in the four largest counties to preserve ICU space. Houston is already out of ICU beds. Florida, Arizona and California aren't doing much better. Still waiting for the virus to magically go away.

Is a mandatory face mask requirement during a pandemic really such an intolerable impingement on personal liberty?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/25/texas-gov-abbott-pauses-states-reopening-plan-as-coronavirus-cases-hospitalizations-rise.html
Maybe people would have more respect for masks today if the experts like Dr. Fauci didn't lie to everyone in the beginning.  At that time they told us masks don't protect us so people wouldn't hoard them and prevent the short supply from going to medical workers.  They were not up front with the truth.  Like other "science", the public gets deceived and lose trust in the science itself.

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« Reply #5858 on: June 25, 2020, 09:51:05 pm »

Maybe people would have more respect for masks today if the experts like Dr. Fauci didn't lie to everyone in the beginning.  At that time they told us masks don't protect us so people wouldn't hoard them and prevent the short supply from going to medical workers.  They were not up front with the truth.  Like other "science", the public gets deceived and lose trust in the science itself.

You don't seem to understand the difference between a lie and incorrect information. You have been accused many times in this thread of putting out incorrect information, and sometimes, you've conceded the fact. If somebody had accused you of lying, though, you would have been upset, because lying is a deliberate falsehood done in bad faith. All kinds of incorrect information came out at the beginning of the pandemic because people were doing the best they could with insufficient information. They weren't lying, they were wrong. Except for Trump, of course. He was lying.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5859 on: June 25, 2020, 11:17:31 pm »

If that is true, than the video should have shown the burger stands not some squeezed telephoto shot of the beach that's a phony representation.  That's poor journalism and one of the reasons many people have lost respect for media and photojournalism.

Alan, you've lost respect for the media ( unless it supports your bias views ), for expert opinions ( unless they support your bias views ) and just about anything else ( unless it supports your bias views ). Seems to be a pattern here.
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