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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3060 on: April 28, 2020, 08:22:09 pm »


>> If delaying a surgery can "lead to serious and dangerous situations" Then it is, BY DEFINITION, not elective. Is this hard to understand?? Sheesh!


Peter, since you didn't bother to read my post and the supplied link or you need additional information, let me explain it to you in more detail as it pertains to joint replacement, cancer and heart disease.

1. There are health conditions that start as relatively benign problems and are assigned to elective surgery category, but as the time progresses, these conditions worsen and make the life very difficult for the patient. For example, if you are diagnosed with a knee or hip problem and the specialists recommend a joint replacement surgery, by that time the condition is pretty serious and you are experiencing both, a strong pain and reduced ability to move. Because of that, you'll be moving less, your muscles will weaken, you'll lose balance when standing or walking, start taking more and more painkillers, and maybe even gain weight. Having to deal with all these changes your quality of life goes downhill, you will become less mobile, and even worse, may fall and injure yourself, which would lead to even greater problems. And while going through all this suffering, you are still waiting for your "elective" surgery.

2. Or you may be diagnosed with a cancer that requires surgery. Usually, the cancer treatment starts with surgery and is followed by chemotherapy and radiation. In other cases, the first treatment is a chemotherapy, then surgery and finally radiation. Right now, many initial consultations and even the treatments are postponed.

Decades before COVID-19 struck, Canadians in every province and territory were suffering, and some dying, on ever-lengthening wait lists. In an already overloaded system, with virtually zero spare capacity, treating burgeoning numbers of COVID-19 patients will necessitate further delay for other patients with such time-critical afflictions as cancer. And that’s already happening. Over the past few days, two Ontario women had their cancer surgery operations cancelled so hospitals can free up capacity for COVID-19 patients.

3. Today, Ontario's health minister Christine Elliott said today that 35 cardiac care patients may have died after heart surgeries were cancelled to free up beds for an anticipated surge in COVID-19 patients.
As of April 22, up to 52,700 hospital procedures have been cancelled or avoided in Ontario due to the coronavirus pandemic, according to a report by the Financial Accountability Office of Ontario (FAO).

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/gwyn-morgan-after-this-crisis-is-behind-us-we-must-fix-our-dangerous-health-care-system



It's nice Les to finally hear an honest appraisal from a Canadian of the problems Canada is having with very long delays for treatment and extremely high hospital occupancies.  It's also nice to hear how America shines in some of these areas.  For too long, all we hear in America is how good the national health system is in Canada and elsewhere.  While America has it's problems, they're overblown by people who just want America to have socialized medicine and like Obama did, lie through their teeth to get it.
 
Regarding delays, when I had my triple bypass last year, they wouldn't even let me leave the hospital after my test show problems.  In fact they admitted me within one hour and kept me there for 6 days prepping me for the surgery and waiting for the medicine I had been taking to leave my body to avoid problems during surgery.  I've never had problem getting MRI's or any other tests.  Most were scheduled within days, the next day or even the same day.  I hear in Canada, you can wait 6 months for an MRI, the reason many Canadians come across the border to get them in America.  Thanks for your honest report.   

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3061 on: April 28, 2020, 08:29:03 pm »

Nope, you'd be wrong. 

This just proves to me that you know nothing of what you talk and are pretty much a fool when it comes to cigar.  Friends of Habanos and others do ship high quality sticks to the USA.  Sure, there are plenty of shady sellers, but FoH is not one of them. 

I really hope your brother likes smoking cow shit, because from this I would never trust you as a mule.

And really, how can you not remember how many times you've been too Cuba if it is only 7 or 8?  I could see like 33 or 34 times, but 7 or 8 you cant be sure?  Are you going senile like Biden?

Joe, it seems like you are getting a bit testy...make take one of your Cuban cowshit cigars, light it up and take a few good drags. Cool man...cool. It's all good...we all have our standards...whatever floats your boat is good.

It's 8...I counted it out. Oh...and it's been 10 times to Kauai...my home away from home. Missed this year...maybe in the fall.
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« Reply #3062 on: April 28, 2020, 08:30:29 pm »

Trump Derangement Syndrome.  You know, the reason you are so obsessed with talking about a foreign leader that has nothing to do with you.

But it sure gets your goat. It's fun watching.
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« Reply #3063 on: April 28, 2020, 08:34:38 pm »

It's nice Les to finally hear an honest appraisal from a Canadian of the problems Canada is having with very long delays for treatment and extremely high hospital occupancies.  It's also nice to hear how America shines in some of these areas.  For too long, all we hear in America is how good the national health system is in Canada and elsewhere.  While America has it's problems, they're overblown by people who just want America to have socialized medicine and like Obama did, lie through their teeth to get it.
 
Regarding delays, when I had my triple bypass last year, they wouldn't even let me leave the hospital after my test show problems.  In fact they admitted me within one hour and kept me there for 6 days prepping me for the surgery and waiting for the medicine I had been taking to leave my body to avoid problems during surgery.  I've never had problem getting MRI's or any other tests.  Most were scheduled within days, the next day or even the same day.  I hear in Canada, you can wait 6 months for an MRI, the reason many Canadians come across the border to get them in America.  Thanks for your honest report.   

And then why a good friend of mine from Gorgia age 72 needs to keep working in order to have coverage for his wife's medication and both his knees are totalled, barely can walk...yet cannot afford to have knee replacement surgery. His medical coverage from work does not cover his wife's expensive drugs and his knee surgery. He'd love to be on a 6 month waiting list...he's on a lifetime waiting list right now.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3064 on: April 28, 2020, 08:35:12 pm »

Trump Plans to Declare Meat Supply ‘Critical,’ Aiming to Reopen Plants

WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Tuesday that he would declare meat processing plants “critical infrastructure” to ensure that facilities around the country remained open as the government tried to prevent looming shortages of pork, chicken and other products as a result of the coronavirus.

The action comes as meat plants around the country have turned into coronavirus hot spots, sickening thousands of workers, and after the head of Tyson Foods, one of the country’s largest processors, warned that millions of pounds of meat would simply disappear from the supply chain.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/business/economy/trump-meat-food-supply.html

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« Reply #3065 on: April 28, 2020, 08:41:26 pm »

My last post on meat, is where the national government can use its powers to control issues relating to the virus while leaving the day-to-day control within each state to the governors.  It allows the federal system to work.  It gives the 50 state's powers and the federal government power to coordinate their effort.  While one can argue whether the president should do this to the meat producers, it answers the questions and complaints of people who were finger pointing how Trump takes and releases his powers to the governors.  It's respectful governance and smart policy.

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« Reply #3066 on: April 28, 2020, 08:44:02 pm »

Joe, it seems like you are getting a bit testy...make take one of your Cuban cowshit cigars, light it up and take a few good drags. Cool man...cool. It's all good...we all have our standards...whatever floats your boat is good.

It's 8...I counted it out. Oh...and it's been 10 times to Kauai...my home away from home. Missed this year...maybe in the fall.

Are you sure?  You're starting to sound like Biden when it comes to his grandkids.  One time it was 5, another it was 6, but really, if you count the stripper's kids from Hunter's fun night, it's 7. 

No wonder you prefer Biden, you have so much in common. 
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« Reply #3067 on: April 28, 2020, 08:51:56 pm »

And then why a good friend of mine from Gorgia age 72 needs to keep working in order to have coverage for his wife's medication and both his knees are totalled, barely can walk...yet cannot afford to have knee replacement surgery. His medical coverage from work does not cover his wife's expensive drugs and his knee surgery. He'd love to be on a 6 month waiting list...he's on a lifetime waiting list right now.


Tell your friend to apply to Medicare.  His knee surgery would be covered I believe up to 80% of the costs.  His work insurance I think would then be secondary and might pick up some or all of the remaining 20%.    Everyone over 65 can go on Medicare.  If his wife is over 65, she can get Medicare Part D for medication although there is a gap where you have to pay out of pocket unless you have gap insurance.  Something in your story doesn't make sense to me.  Maybe you can elaborate.   Your friend should contact the Medicare office and find out how he could best be helped. 

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« Reply #3068 on: April 28, 2020, 08:54:15 pm »

PS.  Is he or she a veteran?  The Veterans Administration provides free services for vets.   Also, SOcial Security provide payment for up to 100% disability.  He ought to contact them as well as his Medicare office and VA office if applicable. 

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« Reply #3069 on: April 28, 2020, 08:54:47 pm »

Are you sure?  You're starting to sound like Biden when it comes to his grandkids.  One time it was 5, another it was 6, but really, if you count the stripper's kids from Hunter's fun night, it's 7. 

No wonder you prefer Biden, you have so much in common.

Who said i prefer Biden. The choice is Tweedle dee and Tweedle dum. Can't decide who is dee and who is dum...but the more Trump speaks the more I know who is dum.

Take my advice...take a few good drags of that Cuban shit cigar...you'll feel better...at least in your head.
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« Reply #3070 on: April 28, 2020, 08:56:09 pm »

Tell your friend to apply to Medicare.  His knee surgery would be covered I believe up to 80% of the costs.  His work insurance I think would then be secondary and might pick up some or all of the remaining 20%.    Everyone over 65 can go on Medicare.  If his wife is over 65, she can get Medicare Part D for medication although there is a gap where you have to pay out of pocket unless you have gap insurance.  Something in your story doesn't make sense to me.  Maybe you can elaborate.   Your friend should contact the Medicare office and find out how he could best be helped.

No idea about the details...he's a smart guy so I'm sure he knows. He's still working with bad knees and his wife is still eating up all their coverage in the drugs she needs to live.
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« Reply #3071 on: April 28, 2020, 08:58:43 pm »

Well, sorry to hear about their problems.  I hope things work out for them.

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« Reply #3072 on: April 28, 2020, 09:04:23 pm »

Mike Pence is so manly he doesn't even wear a face mask in a healthcare facility. What a guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/coronavirus-mike-pence-tours-mayo-clinic-without-mask.html

Pence has responded to criticism that he didn't wear a mask by saying he wanted to look the healthcare workers in the eye. Someone needs to tell Pence that you wear a mask over your nose and mouth, not over your eyes.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/28/847570879/pence-responds-to-critics-after-not-wearing-face-mask-at-mayo-clinic

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« Reply #3073 on: April 28, 2020, 09:06:22 pm »

Pence has responded to criticism that he didn't wear a mask by saying he wanted to look the healthcare workers in the eye. Someone needs to tell Pence that you wear a mask over your nose and mouth, not over your eyes.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/28/847570879/pence-responds-to-critics-after-not-wearing-face-mask-at-mayo-clinic



That's a good one Frank. :)

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« Reply #3074 on: April 28, 2020, 09:07:20 pm »

Pence is taking coaching lessons from Trump. :)

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« Reply #3075 on: April 28, 2020, 09:10:45 pm »

Alan, lemme get this straight.  You recently had a triple bypass and you're worried that you won't be able to access beef steak in the immediate future? Am I right?

And we're suppose to take your opinions on topics as diverse as geopolitics and health care systems seriously?
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« Reply #3076 on: April 28, 2020, 09:23:58 pm »

It's nice Les to finally hear an honest appraisal from a Canadian of the problems Canada is having with very long delays for treatment and extremely high hospital occupancies.  It's also nice to hear how America shines in some of these areas.  For too long, all we hear in America is how good the national health system is in Canada and elsewhere.  While America has it's problems, they're overblown by people who just want America to have socialized medicine and like Obama did, lie through their teeth to get it.
 
Regarding delays, when I had my triple bypass last year, they wouldn't even let me leave the hospital after my test show problems.  In fact they admitted me within one hour and kept me there for 6 days prepping me for the surgery and waiting for the medicine I had been taking to leave my body to avoid problems during surgery.  I've never had problem getting MRI's or any other tests.  Most were scheduled within days, the next day or even the same day.  I hear in Canada, you can wait 6 months for an MRI, the reason many Canadians come across the border to get them in America.  Thanks for your honest report.   

Alan, the downside of the American system is the cost of the hospital stay and the hospitals look at every visit as a revenue generating opportunity. For example, if your angiogram shows a 70% artery blockage, in Canada they tell you, it's not too critical yet, let's watch it and see. In USA they wheel you right away to the OR and give you a couple of stents or a triple bypass. And then they prescribe you Plavix for the rest of your life. This happens with privately owned medical facilities.

As to the C19 crisis, the infection rate and death counts in USA are almost 2.5 times higher than in Canada. So I wouldn't say that America shines in these areas.

The problem now is that the medical and dental associations went overboard and banned completely visits to the clinics and specialists without realizing all implications.
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« Reply #3077 on: April 28, 2020, 09:24:36 pm »

Who said i prefer Biden. The choice is Tweedle dee and Tweedle dum. Can't decide who is dee and who is dum...but the more Trump speaks the more I know who is dum.

Take my advice...take a few good drags of that Cuban shit cigar...you'll feel better...at least in your head.

Well, good to know you at least can figure that out, even if counting is difficult. 
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« Reply #3078 on: April 28, 2020, 09:29:43 pm »

Trump Derangement Syndrome.  You know, the reason you are so obsessed with talking about a foreign leader that has nothing to do with you.

Hilarious!

If you think that Trump's disastrous mgt of the crisis has no impact on me as a non American citizen, think again.

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« Reply #3079 on: April 28, 2020, 09:30:33 pm »

Alan, lemme get this straight.  You recently had a triple bypass and you're worried that you won't be able to access beef steak in the immediate future? Am I right?

And we're suppose to take your opinions on topics as diverse as geopolitics and health care systems seriously?
Well, I also have diabetes 2.  My cardiologist doesn't care about the meat.  Because he just wants me to stay off the carbs.
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