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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3040 on: April 28, 2020, 07:25:53 pm »

Lol Bernard.  Well according to you standards every country but two got it wrong.  And Sweden should be bomb off the earth according to your rederic. 
Well, Trump doesn't run those countries so it doesn't matter.

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« Reply #3041 on: April 28, 2020, 07:30:44 pm »

Well, Trump doesn't run those countries so it doesn't matter.

Yes that’s right.  Trump is the only y person Bernard complains about openingly, proving his DTS even more. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3042 on: April 28, 2020, 07:34:45 pm »

Mike Pence is so manly he doesn't even wear a face mask in a healthcare facility. What a guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/coronavirus-mike-pence-tours-mayo-clinic-without-mask.html

That's leadership at it's best. Screw the healthcare facilities protocol of everyone needing to wear a mask at all times. Screw the staff that have been working day and night battling this virus with full gear on. I'm better than everyone else...I don't need a mask when every other single person around me is wearing one.

Where the hell is the leadership in the USA...it's falling flat on it's face. Embarrassment.
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« Reply #3043 on: April 28, 2020, 07:41:55 pm »

That's leadership at it's best. Screw the healthcare facilities protocol of everyone needing to wear a mask at all times. Screw the staff that have been working day and night battling this virus with full gear on. I'm better than everyone else...I don't need a mask when every other single person around me is wearing one.

Where the hell is the leadership in the USA...it's falling flat on it's face. Embarrassment.

Maybe he was smoking a cigar; how can you smoke a cigar with a mask on? 

I was just on the golf course chipping some balls around, and plenty of hiker with masks gave me bad looks.  Not sure if it was the lack of a mask or the cigar though that caused them such grief.
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« Reply #3044 on: April 28, 2020, 07:44:41 pm »

When a liberal realizes people just dont care anymore about what you think. 

Governor Lashes Out at Weekend Crowds That Packed Orange County Beaches

Poor Governor Newsom, probably the most left wing governor of the most left wing state. 
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« Reply #3045 on: April 28, 2020, 07:46:53 pm »

Maybe he was smoking a cigar; how can you smoke a cigar with a mask on? 

I was just on the golf course chipping some balls around, and plenty of hiker with masks gave me bad looks.  Not sure if it was the lack of a mask or the cigar though that caused them such grief.
Glad to hear you are out and about. The hikers were probably objecting to the cigar. You can smell it; you cannot smell the coronavirus. Well, I am pretty sure about that. Alan's wife may know better.
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« Reply #3046 on: April 28, 2020, 07:48:44 pm »

Glad to hear you are out and about. The hikers were probably objecting to the cigar. You can smell it; you cannot smell the coronavirus.

Even through a mask? 

In my defense, it was a Cuban, not a nasty Nicaraguan stick. 
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« Reply #3047 on: April 28, 2020, 07:51:59 pm »

Maybe he was smoking a cigar; how can you smoke a cigar with a mask on? 

I was just on the golf course chipping some balls around, and plenty of hiker with masks gave me bad looks.  Not sure if it was the lack of a mask or the cigar though that caused them such grief.

Or maybe he's just another idiot...fallowing his leaders footsteps.
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« Reply #3048 on: April 28, 2020, 07:53:48 pm »

Even through a mask? 

In my defense, it was a Cuban, not a nasty Nicaraguan stick.

Where did you get the Cuban. You know Cuba sends their garbage cigars to the USA.
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« Reply #3049 on: April 28, 2020, 08:02:10 pm »

Where did you get the Cuban. You know Cuba sends their garbage cigars to the USA.

In Cuba; remember, I've been to Cuba, twice.  We've gone over this before.  Havana is my Meca. 

Plus I have a source in Brisbane and the custom agents are more concerned about drugs then cigars coming into the country. 

FYI, I highly doubt you know you ass form a hole in the ground when it comes to cigars and quality thereof. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3050 on: April 28, 2020, 08:02:32 pm »

Glad to hear you are out and about. The hikers were probably objecting to the cigar. You can smell it; you cannot smell the coronavirus. Well, I am pretty sure about that. Alan's wife may know better.
Well, she doesn't play golf or hike. Or smoke cigars. But she is wondering when she'll be able to get back to the nail place. 

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3051 on: April 28, 2020, 08:04:15 pm »

Lol Bernard.  Well according to you standards every country but two got it wrong.  And Sweden should be bomb off the earth according to your rederic.

No idea where you got that from what I have been writing.

The countries that got it right were those that started early and effectively either or both the following counter measures:
- lock down
- intensive testing + contact tracing and isolation of people infected or possibly infected

There are many and Sweden is part of those. Note the emphasis on early.

The countries that haven’t been doing as well have reacted too late for a variety of reason mostly related to poor leadership.

Among those sub-par leaders Trump comes out only as a close second to Xi, but without the excuse of not knowing what he was facing.

Am still waiting for an explanation from Alan, or anybody else for that matter, about how the Swedish approach would be applicable to the US in the current situation.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3052 on: April 28, 2020, 08:08:17 pm »

Yes that’s right.  Trump is the only y person Bernard complains about openingly, proving his DTS even more.

Wrong again. I am just as critical about Abe, macron,...

But they have still been doing a better job than Trump at 2 levels:
- they reacted too late but not as late as Trump
- they are not conveying inconsistent messages to the public, they are not undermining the efforts of their scientific teams, they are not discussing in public crazy solutions that even my 8 years old daughter think are ridiculous (true story also)

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #3053 on: April 28, 2020, 08:09:08 pm »

Peter, delaying elective surgeries can lead to serious and dangerous situations. Maybe more so in Canada than in USA where the waiting times are normally shorter. If a cancer chemotherapy is postponed by a few weeks, that might not be not critical, but if it stretches to more than 6 months, that would be a death sentence. Similarly, a bad hip if not treated could lead to a fall and thus to serious complications and deferred diabetes consultation could result in an amputated leg.

>> If delaying a surgery can "lead to serious and dangerous situations" Then it is, BY DEFINITION, not elective. Is this hard to understand?? Sheesh!

Peter, since you didn't bother to read my post and the supplied link or you need additional information, let me explain it to you in more detail as it pertains to joint replacement, cancer and heart disease.

1. There are health conditions that start as relatively benign problems and are assigned to elective surgery category, but as the time progresses, these conditions worsen and make the life very difficult for the patient. For example, if you are diagnosed with a knee or hip problem and the specialists recommend a joint replacement surgery, by that time the condition is pretty serious and you are experiencing both, a strong pain and reduced ability to move. Because of that, you'll be moving less, your muscles will weaken, you'll lose balance when standing or walking, start taking more and more painkillers, and maybe even gain weight. Having to deal with all these changes your quality of life goes downhill, you will become less mobile, and even worse, may fall and injure yourself, which would lead to even greater problems. And while going through all this suffering, you are still waiting for your "elective" surgery.

2. Or you may be diagnosed with a cancer that requires surgery. Usually, the cancer treatment starts with surgery and is followed by chemotherapy and radiation. In other cases, the first treatment is a chemotherapy, then surgery and finally radiation. Right now, many initial consultations and even the treatments are postponed.

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The daughter of a man whose "life-saving" brain cancer surgery was cancelled, said doctors were "having to make the decision about who lives and who dies" because of coronavirus. James Byrom, 72, had been due to have an operation at Addenbrooke's Hospital in Cambridge on Monday. The family said the decision to cancel was "devastating".
The hospital said it was trying to keep services running normally and was explaining options to patients. My Byrom, who was diagnosed a month ago, said he was told surgery was the only option.

"Doctors are having to make a decision about who lives and who dies, and if you're of a certain age, do the public realise if you've got cancer, you don't stand a chance"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-52197408

Decades before COVID-19 struck, Canadians in every province and territory were suffering, and some dying, on ever-lengthening wait lists. In an already overloaded system, with virtually zero spare capacity, treating burgeoning numbers of COVID-19 patients will necessitate further delay for other patients with such time-critical afflictions as cancer. And that’s already happening. Over the past few days, two Ontario women had their cancer surgery operations cancelled so hospitals can free up capacity for COVID-19 patients.

3. Today, Ontario's health minister Christine Elliott said today that 35 cardiac care patients may have died after heart surgeries were cancelled to free up beds for an anticipated surge in COVID-19 patients.
As of April 22, up to 52,700 hospital procedures have been cancelled or avoided in Ontario due to the coronavirus pandemic, according to a report by the Financial Accountability Office of Ontario (FAO).

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Canada’s hospital capacity has been in steady decline. The latest available statistics comparing 24 developed countries show that in 2017 Canada ranked dead last in hospital beds per capita at just 2.5 per thousand. Germany, Austria, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Lithuania, France, Slovakia, Belgium and Latvia all had more than twice that number.

The U.S. was only marginally better at 2.8 per cent, but that’s where the similarity ends. The occupancy level of Canada’s hospital beds was 92 per cent. Because logistics and staffing make 100 per cent utilization impossible that effectively means zero unused capacity. By contrast, hospital bed occupancy in the U.S. was just 64 per cent. And for intensive care unit (ICU) critical care beds, which are crucial for COVID-19 treatment, the U.S. ranked first of the 24 countries with 35 per thousand population. Canada has only 12 per thousand population, the same number as Italy, which has been overwhelmed by the crisis.

An October 2019 Fraser Institute report on health care in 28 countries found that Canada ranked second highest in per capita spending, but last in access to treatment. How could this have been allowed to happen? When the crisis ends, that’s a question Canadians grieving for their lost loved ones will want answered. But that answer is already clear. Canada is the only country in the world that outlaws private health care. Prime ministers, premiers and health-care administrators have known for years that our government-run monopoly system was suffering from the dual afflictions of unsustainable cost growth and ever lengthening wait lists. Meanwhile, anti-private sector unions and other entrenched interests vigorously perpetuated the myth that Canada had the “world’s best health system” and stoked fear of “for profit” health care.

With infections rising each day, Canadian doctors face the daunting prospect of deciding who will be treated and who will not. Those life-and-death decisions must be made, not only for patients with COVID-19, but for other seriously ill patients who are displaced.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/gwyn-morgan-after-this-crisis-is-behind-us-we-must-fix-our-dangerous-health-care-system


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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3054 on: April 28, 2020, 08:10:48 pm »

No idea where you got that from what I have been writing.

The countries that got it right were those that started early and effectively either or both the following counter measures:
- lock down
- intensive testing + contact tracing and isolation of people infected or possibly infected

There are many and Sweden is part of those. Note the emphasis on early.

The countries that haven’t been doing as well have reacted too late for a variety of reason mostly related to poor leadership.

Among those sub-par leaders Trump comes out only as a close second to Xi, but without the excuse of not knowing what he was facing.

Cheers,
Bernard

Well pardon me, I did not notice you changed you mind half way through.  Or perhaps it is hard to keep tract of your thoughts on other countries since, you know, you only ever come here to critique Trump without prod.  You only ever share your feelings on other countries when asked. 

Perhaps if you spent an equal amount of time criticizing all of those you dont like without query, I would have more repsect for what you write. 

Face it Bernard, you only ever trash Trump, someone who has no control over your life, which makes you seem like you have a serious case of TDS.  Why dont you first start by talking shit on your PM first before going off on foreign leaders who have no rule over you. 
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« Reply #3055 on: April 28, 2020, 08:12:04 pm »

Wrong again. I am just as critical about Abe, macron,...

But they have still been doing a better job than Trump at 2 levels:
- they reacted too late but not as late as Trump
- they are not conveying inconsistent messages to the public, they are not undermining the efforts of their scientific teams, they are not discussing in public crazy solutions that even my 8 years old daughter think are ridiculous (true story also)

Cheers,
Bernard

I should have said without prod.  Only Trump do you criticize without being questioned.  You, as a non-American, never just come here to blow off steam, on your own, about any other leader.  This pretty much proves to me you have TDS. 
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« Reply #3056 on: April 28, 2020, 08:12:08 pm »

In Cuba; remember, I've been to Cuba, twice.  We've gone over this before.  Havana is my Meca. 

Plus I have a source in Brisbane and the custom agents are more concerned about drugs then cigars coming into the country. 

FYI, I highly doubt you know you ass form a hole in the ground when it comes to cigars and quality thereof.

Well you'd be totally wrong. I've been to Cuba numerous times, 7 maybe 8 times, and have been a mule for my brother bringing back Cuban Cigars. I learned an awful lot about Cuban cigars over my time...and I know for sure the cigars sent to the states are second quality...very much on par what can be bought on the street or beaches.

Glad you enjoy your cigars...hope they are better than dried cow shit wrapped in leaves.
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« Reply #3057 on: April 28, 2020, 08:15:18 pm »

Well you'd be totally wrong. I've been to Cuba numerous times, 7 maybe 8 times, and have been a mule for my brother bringing back Cuban Cigars. I learned an awful lot about Cuban cigars over my time...and I know for sure the cigars sent to the states are second quality...very much on par what can be bought on the street or beaches.

Glad you enjoy your cigars...hope they are better than dried cow shit wrapped in leaves.

Nope, you'd be wrong. 

This just proves to me that you know nothing of what you talk and are pretty much a fool when it comes to cigar.  Friends of Habanos and others do ship high quality sticks to the USA.  Sure, there are plenty of shady sellers, but FoH is not one of them. 

I really hope your brother likes smoking cow shit, because from this I would never trust you as a mule.

And really, how can you not remember how many times you've been too Cuba if it is only 7 or 8?  I could see like 33 or 34 times, but 7 or 8 you cant be sure?  Are you going senile like Biden? 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3058 on: April 28, 2020, 08:17:25 pm »

I should have said without prod.  Only Trump do you criticize without being questioned.  You, as a non-American, never just come here to blow off steam, on your own, about any other leader.  This pretty much proves to me you have TDS.

No idea what TDS is, but if you say so...  ;D ;D ;D

You have kept demonstrating a level of objectivity such that your words can be trusted.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #3059 on: April 28, 2020, 08:18:29 pm »

No idea what TDS is, but if you say so...  ;D ;D ;D

You have kept demonstrating a level of objectivity such that your words can be trusted.

Cheers,
Bernard

Trump Derangement Syndrome.  You know, the reason you are so obsessed with talking about a foreign leader that has nothing to do with you. 
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