You are suggesting that we ban US citizens from entering the country, which is crazy and unconstitutional. You're clutching at straws here.
This is just false. You are suggesting that we ban US citizens from entering the country, which is crazy and unconstitutional. You're clutching at straws here.
Now that's just plain ridiculous. By definition, elective surgery is for situations that don't pose a serious health risk.
McLennan, the forum maroon spews nonsense once again. He simply can't handle the facts. Maroon does not understand free enterprise and the loads of people beside the Trump campaign that sells swag. They can buy it whereever they choose. I guess maroon has never bothered to see the number of vendor outside a Trump rally. Nope, ya gotta remain oblivious to reality to be a good leftist as long as you have OMB virus.
Elective surgery does not mean optional surgery. It simply means nonurgent, and what is truly nonurgent is not always so obvious. Gerard Doherty, the chair of the surgery department at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, which began postponing elective surgeries on Friday, says surgical procedures can fall into one of three categories. About 25 percent of the surgeries performed at his hospital can be delayed without much harm. These might include joint replacements and bariatric surgeries for weight loss. Another 25 percent are for life-threatening emergencies that need to be treated right away: perforated bowels, serious heart problems, bones that have broken through the skin.The last 50 percent are the tricky ones. These cases, Doherty says, have “some potential for harm to delay”; they might include cancer and problems in the blood vessels of the arms and legs.
He did not suggest that at all. He didn't even imply it.
Well then he, nor you, should have no reason to complain about those 40K people that came in unless you are in fact implying that we should have banned USA citizens.
Banning is at one extreme...letting them in without any conditions is the other extreme. I don't think we are talking about either extreme here...but some measures in the middle.
Once again Peter, you are showing your lack of knowledge. Not all elective surgeries are purely cosmetic; we are not talking about lasik eye surgery here. Many cancer treatments are deemed elective, as are many other life preserving surgeries.
My sister in law had surgery for her cancer 2 weeks ago. My aunt had a brain clot that was operated on last week. Elective surgeries are those that are truly elective like knee replacements that no doubt put the person in discomfort for a few months, but is not life threatening. Any surgery that is required to save lives are continuing.
Quebecers living with cancer are now living in fear of seeing their disease progress during the COVID-19 crisis. The Canadian Cancer Society (CCS) reported this alarming fact Monday. According to the CCS, many people with cancer are anxious due in particular to the postponement or cancellation of their treatments. Quebec Health Minister Danielle McCann said at a news conference on Monday that the decision to postpone or cancel treatment, such as a mastectomy, was not taken lightly.
Roisin Pelan is 38 and lives in Lancashire. She has incurable breast cancer and had been taking chemotherapy tablets every day. Every three months she also visits the hospital to receive the drug intravenously. Last month she was told her chemotherapy treatment would be stopped for 12 weeks. "It's terrifying they've stopped treatment that I know is keeping me alive," she says. "To have that taken away is just unbearable. How do we know it's only going to be 12 weeks? This pandemic could go on a lot longer."
Mark Shelton, from Solihull, has been treated at Birmingham's Queen Elizabeth Hospital since he was diagnosed with metastatic malignant melanoma in 2015. His immunotherapy was suspended for a minimum of 12 weeks as resources are redirected to the coronavirus effort. The hospital trust said it was having to make "difficult decisions". "I'm going to miss three cycles [of treatment] because the resources are going towards helping coronavirus patients," Mr Shelton said.
Trump was decisive. He shut down travel from China. Biden and Democrats called him a xenophobe and racist for doing that. So Biden would have done less. So I'm voting for the person who was more decisive. Trump.
Boris returned to #10 yesterday, apparently with a better appreciation for the danger the virus is, and all softy towards the NHS.
Peter, delaying elective surgeries can lead to serious and dangerous situations. Maybe more so in Canada than in USA where the waiting times are normally shorter. If a cancer chemotherapy is postponed by a few weeks, that might not be not critical, but if it stretches to more than 6 months, that would be a death sentence. Similarly, a bad hip if not treated could lead to a fall and thus to serious complications and deferred diabetes consultation could result in an amputated leg. If delaying a surgery can "lead to serious and dangerous situations" Then it is, BY DEFINITION, not elective. Is this hard to understand?? Sheesh!
He waited until it became clear that the virus was going to be a real killer so then he shut down the economy with governor's support.
Quote from: LesPalenik on April 28, 2020, 09:52:13 amPeter, delaying elective surgeries can lead to serious and dangerous situations. Maybe more so in Canada than in USA where the waiting times are normally shorter. If a cancer chemotherapy is postponed by a few weeks, that might not be not critical, but if it stretches to more than 6 months, that would be a death sentence. Similarly, a bad hip if not treated could lead to a fall and thus to serious complications and deferred diabetes consultation could result in an amputated leg. If delaying a surgery can "lead to serious and dangerous situations" Then it is, BY DEFINITION, not elective. Is this hard to understand?? Sheesh!You're still getting it wrong Peter.
No one complained about letting them in, no one implied not letting them in. Red herring.
McLennan, the forum maroon spews nonsense once again. He simply can't handle the facts. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=trump%202020&ssPageName=GSTL
