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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #1420 on: April 16, 2020, 12:12:28 pm »

Will those cases outnumber the virus cases and deaths soon?  I have a friend whose daughter has cancer somewhat in remission but still on active treatment.  She's been getting it for a year or two.  I'm not sure she's still receiving the same care now.  If so, she's in a lot of jeopardy.  Multiply that by millions.

Alan, that's a breakdown on your medical system if she can't continue receiving treatments.
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« Reply #1421 on: April 16, 2020, 12:12:52 pm »


The US works pretty poorly in a great many respects, just as does any country. The US is mainly different in that its population likes to have lots of guns and is obsessed with this fear of being robbed of some archaic rights long irrelevant to today's world, and actually more than a little counterproductive to its wellbeing today.

It does have the problem of having to cope with having far too many different races and religions deeply built into its structure, thus losing a common sense of national unity that runs second to its senses of colour and original ethnicity from Europe and elsewhere. Those things aside, it contains the usual mixture of wise men and idiots as does almost anywhere else. In fact it may, in a sense, be ahead of the curve: much of Europe is building up for itself through immigration that very same state of lack of national unity and of conflicting religions and language to be found in America already.

That the fragmentation of legal and political control is so prevalent in your country, with different states free to go the way their governors think may get them re-elected is one reason why you face many of the current problems that you do and why fierce fights develop. Nobody speaks with one voice - they can't.

Frankly, you represent the wost-case scenario of what Europe might become, much the reason for the victory of the Brexiteers who saw too much integration turning a loose alliance of business and social convenience into something closer to the States. As long as Britain kept its own currency, all it had to do was take advantage of the bonuses of membership. In reality, it always controlled its own borders, and well before joining the political entity of the Community it had already lost any idea of how many people were inside there legally or otherwise. Controlling your own borders should never be taken to imply that you can or do do it well.

Understanding how the USA works is not rocket science: internationally, we get deep lessons of it every bloody day on our tv screens. Or at least, we did before lock-down stopped reporters from doing that.

About guns: march 2020 was the first month where there were no reported instances of gun shooting in public places in the USA. So I guess lockdown works...

In Spain, the lack of a central voice was damaging in this crisis - each regional parliament did whaever they chose was appropriate. With the results we know.

In Portugal I am quite proud of all political parties joining efforts to combat this crisis, so the government can focus on what is important. Political games can beresumed after this intermission.

The good thing about Trump's press conferences is that they are hillarious and provide some good laughing every day. Laughing is good forour health.

Boris must fe feeling more humble now and less vacuous. He even mentioned gratitude to two of his nurses that were assisting him 24/7. both nurses were immigrants, something that must shock brexiteers.

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« Reply #1422 on: April 16, 2020, 12:14:14 pm »

That's a lot then what the media can do it seems.

Hmm, seems you skipped high school English class a lot.
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« Reply #1423 on: April 16, 2020, 12:15:06 pm »

Nice try but an utter failure Chez, which is pretty much par for the course for you....

Better yet, tell us who those leaders were and what experts both they and Trump listened to and the timeline.  You have a very solid track record of shooting your mouth off making claims that have nobasis in fact.  Prove your claim, if you can. Or slink away, your choice.

Craig I have zero desire to respond to anything you post. You have shown your colours too many times. I just don't feel like getting into the mud and wrestling with you...as you seem to enjoy this too much.
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« Reply #1424 on: April 16, 2020, 12:15:35 pm »

Thanks for pointing it out Slobodan, when I wrote it, I didn't see the subsequent posts.

However, the C19 crisis created a real mess in the hospitals, clinics, and retirement/nursing homes, and not only due to available beds in emergency departments.
I don't know how many emergency beds are available in our hospitals, but here in Ontario there are not enough available doctors. Some retired doctors renewed their licences and are now helping out, but that's still not enough.
Same for nurses and other support staff, many of them are sick and not available for work. Some nurses were working in multiple nursing homes, but that practice has been banned now (which makes a lot of sense), and consequently, many nursing and retirement homes are now understaffed.

Pretty much all non-critical medical and physiotherapy appointments have been canceled and postponed. Many of these cases will become critical.

I'm sure there is other information available like this from my State, Indiana, which shows hospital usage.

https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/2393.htm
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #1425 on: April 16, 2020, 12:17:25 pm »

Many here are still talking about isolation?  Meanwhile, everyone else in the world is moving on and talking about their failing economies and the need to get back to work.

The UK government has just announced a 3 week extension to the lockdown. An opinion poll release earlier today found that 91% of Brits are in favour of an extension.
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« Reply #1426 on: April 16, 2020, 12:18:35 pm »

Slobodan...really? You?

Please show me where I called any forum member this or that, or questioned directly their intelligence?

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« Reply #1427 on: April 16, 2020, 12:18:43 pm »

Craig I have zero desire to respond to anything you post. You have shown your colours too many times. I just don't feel like getting into the mud and wrestling with you...as you seem to enjoy this too much.

And yet you responded to yet another post of mine.  Being truthful too tough for you?   So I guess, once again you have zero proof to back up your claims.  Seems to be SOP for you.  So slink away it is I guess.  I'm really not suprised.
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« Reply #1428 on: April 16, 2020, 12:20:31 pm »

Hmm, seems you skipped high school English class a lot.

Here you go science lover!

According to Science, You're a Huge Jerk If You Point Out Typos

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« Reply #1429 on: April 16, 2020, 12:21:42 pm »

And yet you responded to yet another post of mine.  Being truthful too tough for you?   So I guess, once again you have zero proof to back up your claims.  Seems to be SOP for you.  So slink away it is I guess.  I'm really not suprised.
Well, I guess that settles that.
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« Reply #1430 on: April 16, 2020, 12:22:34 pm »

The UK government has just announced a 3 week extension to the lockdown. An opinion poll release earlier today found that 91% of Brits are in favour of an extension.

But of course, quite an appropriate response for the Queen's subjects. Surfedom goes through generations and millenia. That's why freedom-loving individuals kicked the Brits out in America.

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« Reply #1431 on: April 16, 2020, 12:23:12 pm »

Well, I guess that settles that.

Seems it's setttled for chez, when the going gets tough, get going!
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #1432 on: April 16, 2020, 12:24:53 pm »

Many here are still talking about isolation?  Meanwhile, everyone else in the world is moving on and talking about their failing economies and the need to get back to work. America is announcing today their plans to re-open its economy.  State governments and their governors have been announcing similar plans.  People here are stuck on keeping everything shut down.  Hey, fellers.  The train has left the station.  Do you have anything to contribute to the future?

Countries or regions of countries that are reopening arefurther along in the crisis, and their infection rate went down after 1 and a half or 2 months. Other countries were hit later on, or will still be hit. Austria and Denmark are slowly reopening because their 7 day moving average is coming down, for example. New York seems to have passed the worst phase of this 1st wave, but other american cities are not there yet.

A governmentt can announce a plan for reopening, but it will be implemented carefully in phases, and will take months. Until a vaccine is in place, or antivirals available, such reopening needs to be closely monitored and phased, and with many social distancing. Older and more sick-prone people will have to be maintained in isolation for months. Assoon as you reopen, infection rate will go up again, and this needs to balanced with economic measures.

This is not a matter of "health" or "economy" - we can have both, but clearly in this first wave of the infection, health needed to prevail. Youcan't have economy without people.

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« Reply #1433 on: April 16, 2020, 12:27:16 pm »

But of course, quite an appropriate response for the Queen's subjects. Surfedom goes through generations and millenia. That's why freedom-loving individuals kicked the Brits out in America.

Are you taking a correspondence course in comedy writing?  ;)
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« Reply #1434 on: April 16, 2020, 12:27:30 pm »

... here in Ontario there are not enough available doctors....

Yes, a well-know problem for socialized medicine.

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« Reply #1435 on: April 16, 2020, 12:29:49 pm »

... You can't have economy without people.

You mean 98% are not enough? Actually, more, 99+ percent, as the dead were mostly already retired.

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« Reply #1436 on: April 16, 2020, 12:32:45 pm »

Are you taking a correspondence course in comedy writing?  ;)

Yes, those courses are now deeply discounted or free... thank you Corrina!

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« Reply #1437 on: April 16, 2020, 12:37:07 pm »

Yes. Until you have things under control...it's stupid to open up. Yesterday was the worst day in deaths in the US...maybe we should still talk about saving lives than opening up your favourite pizza parlour.
The rest of the world is talking about open their economies including my pizza joint.  We've discussed the shutdown for 72 pages.  Can we discuss the future?  At this rate, I'll be dead, God forbid,  before I see the sun again.

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« Reply #1438 on: April 16, 2020, 12:39:52 pm »

The UK government has just announced a 3 week extension to the lockdown. An opinion poll release earlier today found that 91% of Brits are in favour of an extension.

Portugal just voted today to extend 2 more weeks. France the same. Countries will only reopen once they are in the downward curve. Attached is the plot as of today of the 7 days moving average of cases versus number of days after the 100th case. Portugal is the blackline.

It is easy to see that the countries in the down trend will reopen sooner than others that are still not there.

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« Reply #1439 on: April 16, 2020, 12:40:33 pm »

The rest of the world is talking about open their economies including my pizza joint.  We've discussed the shutdown for 72 pages.  Can we discuss the future?  At this rate, I'll be dead, God forbid,  before I see the sun again.

For the near future, I'd recommend extending the lockdown for non-essential services.
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