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Ivo_B

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Violence in Ecuador
« on: October 13, 2019, 02:37:38 pm »

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2019, 03:51:29 pm »

Photojournalism, Ivo.

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2019, 04:16:50 pm »

Photojournalism, Ivo.

Interesting.

It is street in disguise. Look at the series and find the ‘street’.
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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2019, 07:47:04 pm »

Yes. It's on a street so it's gotta be street. Right?

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2019, 01:29:59 am »

Yes. It's on a street so it's gotta be street. Right?
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Let’s turn things around. They have protest boards, so it has to be Photojournalism, right?

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2019, 03:12:19 am »

🙄

Let’s turn things around. They have protest boards, so it has to be Photojournalism, right?

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For it to be street is should be shot at a flea market, farmers market, craft market or restaurant. Have you learnt nothing Ivo?
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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2019, 03:42:03 am »

For it to be street is should be shot at a flea market, farmers market, craft market or restaurant. Have you learnt nothing Ivo?

I studied those particular masters of street insufficiently, I guess.

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2019, 09:46:55 am »

Photojournalism, Ivo.

Is it even photojournalism if the subjects are obviously posing?

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2019, 10:08:29 am »

Good point, Slobodan. But I'd say, "yeah." I've seen plenty of photojournalist's efforts that clearly were posed.

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2019, 12:43:08 pm »

Is it even photojournalism if the subjects are obviously posing?

Hm, good point.
And since I was visiting Brussels: An informal traveler journalistic street impression.
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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2019, 12:46:47 pm »

Good point, Slobodan. But I'd say, "yeah." I've seen plenty of photojournalist's efforts that clearly were posed.


Wait a minute...

Are you admitting that a style is defined by it’s contemporary practice?

Russ? 🤦🏻‍♂️

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2019, 01:06:02 pm »

Hm, good point.
And since I was visiting Brussels: An informal traveler journalistic street impression.

Ah, must be a 'Travel Atmospheric', then.

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2019, 01:07:26 pm »

Ah, must be a 'Travel Atmospheric', then.

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Yes!
A journalistic travel Atmospheric

Like it.
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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2019, 07:43:33 pm »

It's okay, guys. You'll never understand the difference but it doesn't matter.

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2019, 01:21:19 am »

It's okay, guys. You'll never understand the difference but it doesn't matter.

I’m beyond Kohlbergs second level, Russ.
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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2019, 04:19:55 am »

This is turning into the kind of juvenile thing that can turn some people right off LuLa and bloody Internet conversations completely. And to think there are those who believe that it requires a political contex and content for that to happen! Far from it: politics matter to all of us, whether we realise it or not - they are fundamentally existential, whatever we believe. But photography? Come on.

Definitions of photographic genre are but a form of filing convenience, and as such, very useful in the way that any filing system is; those who feel it somehow offends their sensibilites for their "work" to be be able to be documented as fitting some specific category or more, really should accept that they are not unique in their outputs, that almost nothing today can lay claim to being usefully unique. We might all have honestly considered ourselves unique prior to the advent of the Internet if only because not all of us lived in capětal cities where exhibitions were abundant, and therefore our knowledge of what was going down was limited to our little insular ghetto and the magazines we bought.

A little honest, modest person perusal would do none of us any harm.

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2019, 04:32:57 am »

This is turning into the kind of juvenile thing that can turn some people right off LuLa and bloody Internet conversations completely. And to think there are those who believe that it requires a political contex and content for that to happen! Far from it: politics matter to all of us, whether we realise it or not - they are fundamentally existential, whatever we believe. But photography? Come on.

Definitions of photographic genre are but a form of filing convenience, and as such, very useful in the way that any filing system is; those who feel it somehow offends their sensibilites for their "work" to be be able to be documented as fitting some specific category or more, really should accept that they are not unique in their outputs, that almost nothing today can lay claim to being usefully unique. We might all have honestly considered ourselves unique prior to the advent of the Internet if only because not all of us lived in capětal cities where exhibitions were abundant, and therefore our knowledge of what was going down was limited to our little insular ghetto and the magazines we bought.

A little honest, modest person perusal would do none of us any harm.

Wouldn’t it be nice it started by the ones who claims the total knowledge of everything!
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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2019, 04:55:00 am »

Is it even photojournalism if the subjects are obviously posing?

Exactly; it's attempted street-cum-photojournalism. And not without a little shot at using the resulting imagery as attack within LuLa.

Spanish tv last night showed the Catalan separist mobs in Barcelona confronting police of all kinds because the leaders of the rebellion had finally received their prison sentences. Just as in Hong Kong: airport lock-down; innocent travellers unable to enter or leave for hours, connections missed. What did British tv show of it?

On the ground, marchers and crowds waving flags, strutting into camera and saying it's about democracy! They could equally have been supporting the Bacelona footlball team. One guy showed a little red mark on his elbow, reminiscent of those left on the skins of tourists who don't know better than to scratch a mosquito bite. Everything today is "about democracy"; every crackpot little twerp with an agenda and the ability to excite even more dumb crowds claims he's doing it for democracy. Wait; that US lady who accidently killed a British motorcyclist will find soon herself embroiled in chants of democracy.

And that's another example of how the UK press sucks at its job: the parents of that poor kid have been taken over by the press, flown to the US and are being pushed into situations they would never have accomplished on their own. Their grief is being channelled into political battles about diplomatic immunity, none of which will bring the victim back, ease the loss. They harp on about another modern totem: closure. Fuck me, you lose somebody you love and who means the world to you and there is no bloody "closure: the hurt doesn't vanish by magic because somebody else is in prison, has been lynched or whatever. Closure is a concept that lives within the same box of verbal and politically correct bullshit as everything else these days; it's something that has a solution price in dollars or in public vindication. It's meaningless beyond the confines of marketing newspapers and tv channels and making somebody rich because somebody else has died.
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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2019, 04:56:02 am »

Wouldn’t it be nice it started by the ones who claims the total knowledge of everything!

No, by all of us, Ivo.

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Re: Violence in Ecuador
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2019, 04:58:54 am »

Rob, you are free to pigeonhole to your heart's content. Each to their own. Here, at least, we all get a say.

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