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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3060 on: January 14, 2020, 01:56:19 pm »

So Trump as president is doing what he promised as a candidate? Gee, who woulda guessed.
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« Reply #3061 on: January 14, 2020, 02:05:04 pm »

Yeah, the US constitution is a joke. And who needs oaths of office anyway.

As good as our unwritten Brit one, and also as good as the guys and gals in power in any given term. They, constitutions, written or by precedent, simply mean what the powers that be want them to mean.

I bet you the "office" has heard many an oath on just about every topic before it.

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« Reply #3062 on: January 14, 2020, 02:34:30 pm »

So Trump as president is doing what he promised as a candidate? Gee, who woulda guessed.

Funny, but incomplete.  You forgot:

Promise:  Lock her up!
Action: Hillary cleared by Trump DoJ.  Again.

And I know we can come up with more :)

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« Reply #3063 on: January 14, 2020, 02:40:02 pm »

As good as our unwritten Brit one, and also as good as the guys and gals in power in any given term. They, constitutions, written or by precedent, simply mean what the powers that be want them to mean.

I bet you the "office" has heard many an oath on just about every topic before it.
While many Americans feel that the Supreme Court should not read in their own understanding, and often they do, the fact that it is written still makes it more powerful than if unwritten.  Also, you're conflating elected officials with the supreme court justices that latter who hold the position for life.  If an elected official violates the Constitution, he is kept in check by the Supreme Court and its justices as we saw with the Muslim travel ban and as well as the Congress as we see now with the impeachment.  They can't do whatever they want. 

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« Reply #3064 on: January 14, 2020, 03:13:22 pm »

... They, constitutions, written or by precedent, simply mean what the powers that be want them to mean...

Oh, please, Rob! What the US Constitution means is determined by the SCOTUS, not "the powers that be."

What it doesn't mean is what you, or I, or Bart think it means.

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« Reply #3065 on: January 14, 2020, 05:42:06 pm »

Oh, please, Rob! What the US Constitution means is determined by the SCOTUS, not "the powers that be."

What it doesn't mean is what you, or I, or Bart think it means.

Well, they have one fine old lady therein!

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« Reply #3066 on: January 14, 2020, 06:06:50 pm »

Well, they have one fine old lady therein!

:-)

May her life be long and healthy.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3067 on: January 15, 2020, 05:58:41 am »

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« Reply #3068 on: January 15, 2020, 10:24:07 am »

President Trump again displayed ignorance about what Impeachment is all about.  In a Tweet this morning he complains, "...why didn’t Nervous Nancy and Corrupt politician Adam ‘Shifty’ Schiff give us a fair trial in the House..."  The simple answer is that there was no trial!!!  It was similar to a Grand Jury hearing where prosecutors set the agenda.  The President will have his day in court shortly as Senators will weigh the evidence and make the decision on the articles of Impeachment.  I wonder if Rudy Giuliani will be one of the lawyers defending the President.  That would add high humor to this whole thing.
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« Reply #3069 on: January 15, 2020, 10:40:57 am »

Stop playing word games.  Sure it's not a trial as usually done in US courts.    But it was a political trial, which is wrose.  Like a Star Chamber one they use to have in the Soviet Union where the judge was prosecutor and jury as well.  Trump's tweet  meant that he wasn't given little chance to defend himself against charges.  The Democrats who control the House wouldn't let Republicans call their own witnesses or to cross examine in a fair way. 

And no it's not the same as a grand jury.  That's a terrible analogy.  A grand jury is secret.  Nothing that goes on there may be released to the public under criminal penalty.  That way people don;t get smeared as Trump was smeared.  Of course, that's not what happened in the House.  The whole thing was to smear Trump and not give him a chance to defend himself.  That';s the point he was making.  Any reasonable person sees the bias in the whole Democrat impeachment process up to including Pelosi's attempt to hold the articles from being sent to the Senate and demanding the Senate comply with her demands which is a violation of the Constitution.  MAybe we should impeach her.

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« Reply #3070 on: January 15, 2020, 11:00:44 am »

Oh, they play word games ? 

That is why the president of the US can call everybody corrupt...  it is a word game...
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« Reply #3071 on: January 15, 2020, 11:15:25 am »

Sure he plays word games too.  It's politics.  But impeachment is a very serious game to play.  W don;t go there as a usual procedure.  To do impeachment casually for political reasons is going to create a situation where it will happen often now.  Here's an issue with Apple and cell phone secrecy laws regarding law enforcement that's in the news now.  A very serious issue, things that should be discussed in Congress.  So what are they doing?  Playing political games for three years wasting everyone's time to try to gain power rather than doping the people's business.  We should wait for elections to determine if we want a president to be re-elected. 

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« Reply #3072 on: January 15, 2020, 11:38:27 am »

Yes. He plays word games. Really pisses off the Democrats. Makes them make gross mistake after gross mistake. It'll cost the Democrats the Presidency, the House, and the Senate.
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« Reply #3073 on: January 15, 2020, 12:15:00 pm »

Yes. He plays word games. Really pisses off the Democrats. Makes them make gross mistake after gross mistake. It'll cost the Democrats the Presidency, the House, and the Senate.
So how do you know when Trump actually says something he really means?
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« Reply #3074 on: January 15, 2020, 01:40:38 pm »

So how do you know when Trump actually says something he really means?

That's an impossibility.
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« Reply #3075 on: January 15, 2020, 02:32:08 pm »

So how do you know when Trump actually says something he really means?
Compare the things he's done with what he promised during the campaign.  The rest is just conversation.
-Defeated ISIS, Killed Al Baghdadi
-Passed a new tax and business legislation
-Opened the pipeline
-reduced regulation
-pulled out of the Paris Accord
-Pulled out of the Iran agreement, has Iran on the ropes, things looking up for the people there
-Increased business activity, markets at record highs
-Open offshore up for more oil exploration
-Phase 1 of new trade with China signed today.  The rest is a work in progress
-Ditto with NAFTA and trade with other countries
-NATO 2% increase from Europe countries
-Got more conservative judges on the Supreme and Federal courts

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3076 on: January 15, 2020, 04:03:33 pm »

Last but not least, Alan:

Made liberals cry every step of the way!

That alone is worth four more years.

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« Reply #3077 on: January 15, 2020, 06:17:54 pm »

Last but not least, Alan:

Made liberals cry every step of the way!

That alone is worth four more years.

If he loses, what will we do?  :)

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« Reply #3078 on: January 15, 2020, 07:51:07 pm »

If he loses, what will we do?  :)
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