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Slobodan Blagojevic

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2680 on: January 03, 2020, 07:15:17 am »

... Can you imagine Iran killing the most important military of the US?...

That’s why we have the military budget the size of the next 10 competitors... so that nobody dares to imagine that.

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« Reply #2681 on: January 03, 2020, 08:17:17 am »


That’s why we have the military budget the size of the next 10 competitors... so that nobody dares to imagine that.
So you say; The USA permits itself to use the law of the jungle for it is the strongest...
That is the problem- they are ... and therefore extremely dangerous to everyone else, especially with a man like Trump in charge.
A war and the danger of terror attacks on its soil will unite the US behind this 'strong' leader.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2682 on: January 03, 2020, 08:35:37 am »

... A war....

What war?

What exactly war has Trump started in the last two and a half years?

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« Reply #2683 on: January 03, 2020, 09:42:51 am »

What war?

What exactly war has Trump started in the last two and a half years?

I am afraid he possibly just ignited one.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2684 on: January 03, 2020, 09:44:29 am »

What war?

What exactly war has Trump started in the last two and a half years?

Maybe the war that he's going to engage in, because it seems to unite the people, is good for the weapons industry and distracts from domestic issues?
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2685 on: January 03, 2020, 09:47:04 am »

So you say; The USA permits itself to use the law of the jungle for it is the strongest...
That is the problem- they are ... and therefore extremely dangerous to everyone else, especially with a man like Trump in charge.
A war and the danger of terror attacks on its soil will unite the US behind this 'strong' leader.
Stop complaining. America's military helped defeat the Nazis and kept the Soviet Union and Russia off your back for 70 years.  You're free to write these posts because of America. 

No American wants to get into war with Iran.  On the other hand, this Iranian helped kill almost 1000 Americans over the last ten years.  He was creating and adding to the mess in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East.  He was a danger to the oil that heats your home.  Well, soon you;ll be relying on Russia natural gas.  In any case, I suspect Americans will start pulling back soon.  Then when  you'll have to spend more of your own money and blood defending yourselves, you'll miss the days when America was the world's policeman. 

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« Reply #2686 on: January 03, 2020, 09:53:37 am »

I am afraid he possibly just ignited one.

At the very least he's moved it a stage further ahead.

The basic problem is simple: the West generally fails to understand that some other peoples live hoping to die for their religious faith. That forms no part of Western culture, where even dying for country is hardly a wish many or any hold. The only thing I would willingly die to save is family. Close family, blood family.

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« Reply #2687 on: January 03, 2020, 10:03:36 am »

Stop complaining. America's military helped defeat the Nazis and kept the Soviet Union and Russia off your back for 70 years.  You're free to write these posts because of America.

Please don't start about the WOII again  if you cannot find any arguments... we life now and yes I am free to think- i will always be and do not have to be grateful to anybody for that mr Alan Klein.
What are you thinking?

No American wants to get into war with Iran.
That is not what these serial of actions tell me. Iran will hit back for sure and then etc...
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2688 on: January 03, 2020, 10:26:49 am »

So you say; The USA permits itself to use the law of the jungle for it is the strongest...
That is the problem- they are ... and therefore extremely dangerous to everyone else, especially with a man like Trump in charge.
A war and the danger of terror attacks on its soil will unite the US behind this 'strong' leader.

Wow. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen that phrase: “the law of the jungle,” used to justify a nation lying back with its legs spread. A real antique, that argument.

International relations always have operated under the law of the jungle. To go back just a few years: there was Sweden’s Charles XII’s invasion of Russia, then there was Louis XIV against Marlborough, Napoleon against Europe and Russia, The Kaiser with WW I, Hitler with WW II, which included Japan against Asia, to skip over a plethora of less obvious examples.

You seem embarrassed to say where you’re from, Pieter, but I suspect it’s The Netherlands, which always has been a soft touch to any of history’s invasions. Over and over again other nations such as Britain and the U.S. have used the law of the jungle to pull your nuts out of the fire.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2689 on: January 03, 2020, 10:50:10 am »

What war?

What exactly war has Trump started in the last two and a half years?

This one.  The one right here on these pages and on countless other similar sites.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2690 on: January 03, 2020, 10:54:18 am »

This one.  The one right here on these pages and on countless other similar sites.

Right. We never argued before Trump.

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« Reply #2691 on: January 03, 2020, 11:09:24 am »

Wow. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen that phrase: “the law of the jungle,” used to justify a nation lying back with its legs spread. A real antique, that argument.

International relations always have operated under the law of the jungle. To go back just a few years: there was Sweden’s Charles XII’s invasion of Russia, then there was Louis XIV against Marlborough, Napoleon against Europe and Russia, The Kaiser with WW I, Hitler with WW II, which included Japan against Asia, to skip over a plethora of less obvious examples.

You seem embarrassed to say where you’re from, Pieter, but I suspect it’s The Netherlands, which always has been a soft touch to any of history’s invasions. Over and over again other nations such as Britain and the U.S. have used the law of the jungle to pull your nuts out of the fire.

Well, I think you should be embarrased for your respons(es); It does not matter where i am born to have any opinion. Sometime ago you started about my age being no aged enough...etc.
Please come with real arguments about what is happening NOW.
If you want to talk about ancient history start a 'the good old days' topic...
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2692 on: January 03, 2020, 11:32:29 am »

Best to leave adolescent jingoism behind and be cleared-eyed about these things. On a recent episode of NPR's Fresh Air, they interviewed a Washington Post journalist about the so-dubbed 'Afghanistan Papers', which that publication got hold of after FOI lawsuit(s). The podcast of the interview is here https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/789275078/how-government-officials-misled-the-public-about-the-conflict-in-afghanistan. The info that emerged is pretty damning. There seemed to be a general lack of direction and strategy, which continues to this day. This is not the journalist talking, this is first-hand written testimony by Rumsfeld and several top-level military leaders at the time. It should make for disturbing reading/listening for Americans, especially for those who may have family members in the armed forces.

This is the 2nd paragraph from the text accompanying the podcast,
"Through Freedom of Information Act lawsuits, the Post secured material generated by an internal review of the Afghanistan war called Lessons Learned. The documents include records of interviews with hundreds of military leaders, diplomats, aid workers and Afghan officials. They tell a story of muddled strategic thinking, staggering waste and corruption and repeated failures to understand both their adversaries on the battlefield and the civilian population they were supposed to serve."

Do US citizens trust what their government is telling them enough to send their kids to be killed and/or maimed, that is the question. What is the purpose of the action, that needs to be asked and answered first and foremost.

Of course participants on this forum will reply by blaming it all on Obama, but you should listen to the podcast more carefully and realize that the mess goes back way earlier than the current or the previous administrations.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2693 on: January 03, 2020, 11:44:44 am »

Right. We never argued before Trump.

More vacuity.

Why not: "We never had a war before this one"
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« Reply #2694 on: January 03, 2020, 11:50:13 am »

We should tell all leaders in Afghanistan that they can run their country however they want with one caveat.   That if they again allow terrorists to use their land as a jumping off point to hurt America, we will come back and bomb their country and kill all the leaders who allowed it.

Then our troops should pack their bags and and come home.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2695 on: January 03, 2020, 11:51:41 am »


... the mess goes back way earlier than the current or the previous administrations.

Indeed. That mess you refer to is otherwise known as life.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2696 on: January 03, 2020, 11:55:28 am »

More vacuity.

Why not: "We never had a war before this one"

What the hell are you talking about!?

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« Reply #2697 on: January 03, 2020, 11:58:02 am »

Well, I think you should be embarrased for your respons(es); It does not matter where i am born to have any opinion. Sometime ago you started about my age being no aged enough...etc.
Please come with real arguments about what is happening NOW.
If you want to talk about ancient history start a 'the good old days' topic...

I’m never embarrassed to tell the truth, Pieter. I don’t remember remarking on your age, and I’m not sure how I could do that, since your listed age is N/A. That and the fact that you’re not telling us where you are tells me that for some reason you’re worried about people knowing those things.

I’ve mentioned history because history tells us a lot about human nature and what you call “the law of the jungle.” It’s best to be Tarzan in this jungle if you want to survive. On the other hand, you can depend on the nasty ol’ U.S.A. to be the Tarzan that protects you. That’s why, when I see a European sermon about “the law of the jungle,” I end up ROTFL.

What’s happening NOW? What’s happening now is that finally we have a president who’s willing to do what needs to be done to protect your country as well as the U.S.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2698 on: January 03, 2020, 12:06:17 pm »

Best to leave adolescent jingoism behind and be cleared-eyed about these things. On a recent episode of NPR's Fresh Air. . .

Ah.... yes.... NPR. "Fresh Air." Now THERE's a reliable source  :o ;D

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It should make for disturbing reading/listening for Americans, especially for those who may have family members in the armed forces.

Maybe you haven't noticed, Robert, that the U.S. no longer has a draft. It's all voluntary nowadays, and if you enlist but don't realize you may be facing what I'll call a tough situation, then it's simply Darwin at work.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2699 on: January 03, 2020, 12:32:07 pm »

We should tell all leaders in Afghanistan that they can run their country however they want with one caveat.   That if they again allow terrorists to use their land as a jumping off point to hurt America, we will come back and bomb their country and kill all the leaders who allowed it.

Then our troops should pack their bags and and come home.

In that situation, if we could really "kill all the leaders who allowed it," I would be all in favor. But we cannot. Despite our best intentions we would, as history has shown over and over, kill lots of other people--bomb weddings, hospitals, schools, food caravans, and civilian homes. Is this what the U.S. wants to be known for? And doesn't this just recruit more jihadists who hate the US?
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