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Craig Lamson

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2660 on: January 02, 2020, 03:23:18 pm »

he thinks that not Russia but Ukraine meddled in the 2016 elections,

Lets just hold your feet to the fire on only one of your claims....

Please support the quoted claim with facts.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2661 on: January 02, 2020, 04:46:54 pm »

Lets just hold your feet to the fire on only one of your claims....

Please support the quoted claim with facts.

try this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2662 on: January 02, 2020, 05:00:45 pm »

try this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0

Try this.  It shows that the Ukrainians were up to their eyeballs helping Clinton against Trump in the 2016 election.  So who's right?  I don't think anyone knows for sure.   Well, the legal investigation that Trump called for with the new Ukrainian president would find out.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2663 on: January 02, 2020, 05:15:04 pm »

try this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0

The question is...did Trump claim it was UKRAINE and not Russia that hacked the 2016 election.

Wanna try again? 
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2664 on: January 02, 2020, 05:19:03 pm »

Lets just hold your feet to the fire on only one of your claims....

So you agree that the rest is correct.

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Please support the quoted claim with facts.

You'll have to do with the following summary (I can't be bothered enough to search for Trump's literal quotes that the Crowdstrike computer server was in Ukraine):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories_related_to_the_Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal#Adoption_by_Trump
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2665 on: January 02, 2020, 05:24:15 pm »

Barf bag ready, Peter? Okay:     He tells it like it is.


mmmmffffpppBLECHHHH!!!!!
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2666 on: January 02, 2020, 05:27:30 pm »

So you agree that the rest is correct.

We can get to those after you finish the first one.

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You'll have to do with the following summary (I can't be bothered enough to search for Trump's literal quotes that the Crowdstrike computer server was in Ukraine):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories_related_to_the_Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal#Adoption_by_Trump

Epic fail.

It has nothing to do with any servers.  Its the explicit claim you made that Trump thought it was Ukraine and NOT Russia that hacked the 2016 election.  If you make a claim you need to be able to back it up.  Who knows, YOU might be the victim of fake news and are spreading it yourself.

Besides wiki is such a useless source.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2667 on: January 02, 2020, 05:32:54 pm »

He speaks colloquially like most human beings. 

Horse poo.  I know nobody who speaks like him.  In fact, much of what comes of his mouth isn't speaking at all. It's just word salad.  Unintelligible.

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The anti-Trump press deliberately misinterprets much of what he says because it's politically expedient.

Sigh. SO many times we've heard this specious, vacuous argument.  "It's not fair! They're all against him!"  Puhleeeeze.




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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2668 on: January 02, 2020, 05:34:28 pm »

Let me give you my perspektive. For the record, I vaccinated my child, and believe in vaccinations. Autism, vaccinations, and anti-vaccination movement are all very serious matters alone, let alone in combination. The anti-vaccination movement, right or wrong (and I do believe they are wrong), can not be easily dismissed. What needs to be done is to dissuade them, not simply dismiss them. That starts by listening to and acknowledging their concerns. Humans are hard-wired to look for cause-consequence in anything new or bad happening (e.g., the rise in autism). In that anecdote about an autistic baby, I believe he ended it with “Is there a link? I don’t know” (citing from memory).

Trump is a laymen in many areas, bar real estate development. That puts him on an equal footing with many among his constituents. That’s part of his folksy charm. People can relate to that. So, when faced with a mother with an autistic child, he can react to that at the same layman level, acknowledging her concerns as a minimum. Or he could label her as an ignorant deplorable. Well, we’ve seen how the latter worked for a certain presidential candidate.

Perceptive post, Slobodan.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2669 on: January 02, 2020, 06:00:02 pm »

Perceptive post, Slobodan.


Are you saying then, Slobodan and Peter, that as with many in the old British Labour Party still believe, an appeal to the great unwashed is the way to fly? It used to work until Blair proved that having a brain wasn't a bad thing. It won him several elections in a row, just as for Mrs Thatcher. It's had its day, this technique: this time it got them the lowest vote since the Middle Ages for playing that card.

If your theory about being dumb and folksy is cool, God help us all for where it's going to take us, us being the world at large. A pig ignorant world leader is not a good thing: it's a time bomb nobody seems to have the balls or wit to defuse.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2670 on: January 02, 2020, 07:21:56 pm »


Are you saying then, Slobodan and Peter, that as with many in the old British Labour Party still believe, an appeal to the great unwashed is the way to fly? It used to work until Blair proved that having a brain wasn't a bad thing. It won him several elections in a row, just as for Mrs Thatcher. It's had its day, this technique: this time it got them the lowest vote since the Middle Ages for playing that card.

If your theory about being dumb and folksy is cool, God help us all for where it's going to take us, us being the world at large. A pig ignorant world leader is not a good thing: it's a time bomb nobody seems to have the balls or wit to defuse.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2671 on: January 02, 2020, 07:47:42 pm »


Are you saying then, Slobodan and Peter...

You built a straw man, Rob.

As for “defusing the time bomb,” the deep state, Democrats, and the media, have been attempting a slow-motion coup for two and and half years. No pasarán.

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« Reply #2672 on: January 02, 2020, 08:02:41 pm »

+10

Are you saying then, Slobodan and Peter, that as with many in the old British Labour Party still believe, an appeal to the great unwashed is the way to fly? It used to work until Blair proved that having a brain wasn't a bad thing. It won him several elections in a row, just as for Mrs Thatcher. It's had its day, this technique: this time it got them the lowest vote since the Middle Ages for playing that card.

If your theory about being dumb and folksy is cool, God help us all for where it's going to take us, us being the world at large. A pig ignorant world leader is not a good thing: it's a time bomb nobody seems to have the balls or wit to defuse.
I think everyone who votes should have at least a Masters Degree and own real estate.  Letting the hoi polloi vote is stupid.  We'll wind up like Britain.  :)

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« Reply #2673 on: January 02, 2020, 09:53:16 pm »

A game changer.  In a lot of areas.  Sends a message to Iran and Iraq.  Another to Kim and Xi. And to the Democrats who think they denuded Trump. 

Iran Confirms Death of Powerful  Revolutionary Guard Commander
Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani was killed in a strike in Baghdad, Iraqi and Lebanese media reported.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/world/middleeast/qassem-soleimani-iraq-iran-attack.html

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« Reply #2674 on: January 02, 2020, 11:02:30 pm »

I think everyone who votes should have at least a Masters Degree and own real estate.  Letting the hoi polloi vote is stupid.  We'll wind up like Britain.  :)

Owning real-estate should be optional.


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« Reply #2675 on: January 02, 2020, 11:52:31 pm »

Owning real-estate should be optional.



Well, I've always lived in Democrat mainly states - New York and New Jersey.  Democrats always win. So my republican vote never counts anyway.  I might as well stay home on election eve and Photoshop my photos.   On the other hand I voted for the new democrat candidate for president, Bloomberg, when he ran for mayor of NY 2 times, then a third when he changed the restriction for running three times, a la FDR.  Of course he was a Republican before he was a Democrat and a Democrat before that and before that I think he was something else.  I voted for Nixon twice, and NY went for him.  Of course he was almost impeached.  On the other hand, I didn't vote for Bill Clinton either time, and he was impeached.  Now Trump who I voted for and won was also impeached, although Nancy says she's not sure about that.  American politics is very confusing.   Maybe we need a Queen like Canada and do away with elections.  You still have royalty, don;t you? :)

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2676 on: January 03, 2020, 04:18:15 am »

You built a straw man, Rob.

As for “defusing the time bomb,” the deep state, Democrats, and the media, have been attempting a slow-motion coup for two and and half years. No pasarán.

Not a straw man: simply another way of illustrating the same thing that you described.

As for "deep state" well, hasn't every state a need for something more permanent than an elected govt., that changes every so often, when the reality of the world is that it does not act in accordance with another state's four- or five-year electoral plans, but continues apace at its own speed, which to complicate matters further, is erratic at best?

The effects of total changes of posture dependent on govt. in charge are already apparent in Israel, for example, where land-grabs are now presumed sanctioned by Big Bro USA whereas before there was at least a semblance of restraint and observance of international laws. In fact, come to think of it, Trump has taken America back to where history used to have England and France: at war or not at war, depending on which royal in England was married to whom in France. A Jewish son-in-law at the side of the US throne made all the difference. Or have you a better explanation? Or worse: is reality to be clouded, denied by the PC prohibition on calling it as it is?

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #2677 on: January 03, 2020, 04:20:57 am »

Owning real-estate should be optional...

False notion!? That is exactly what democracy is. Such a statement is precisely why there is the strain of anti-intellectualism - intellectual elitism.

Having “knowledge,” a master degree, or PhD, does not guarantee a unanimous political (or any other) opinion. Therefore, a lack of knowledge is not the reason for differing political opinions.

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« Reply #2678 on: January 03, 2020, 05:56:08 am »

Wrong, it's not like it is, but it's the way he sees things. And from the looks of it, his vision is impaired.

Wrong. His vision is 2020  ;)

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« Reply #2679 on: January 03, 2020, 07:10:24 am »

Wrong. His vision is 2020  ;)

He demonstrated that with the killing of the second most powerful man in Iran at great distance ...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50979463

Can you imagine Iran killing the most important military of the US?

It is his brain that worries me. The US is looking for war with Iran and many will be victim. Just what we need.
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