Why would there be something to give if you have nothing to hide?
Apologies Joe, I fail to see any logic in your statements. You can certainly come up with some sort of unknown falacy to justify just about anything. It doesn’t make it the most likely story.
The plain and simple story is that if they had nothing to hide it would be overwhelmingly in their interest to testify.
I applaud the intellectual effort to try to go around this, that’s good fun, but isn’t it ample time to concede to the obvious truth by now?
Cheers,
Bernard
That is not how the rule of law works. You need to prove guilt, not innocents. As of now, there is not proof of intent, which is necessary for the bribery (or what ever they call it). And the obstruction charges are completely non-existent since the courts have not ruled on any challenges yet.
The case is very weak, and even the Dems know it. That is why you have Schiff saying things like, "we cant afford to wait for the facts to come out!" Perhaps because the facts dont back up the claims. And then you have other Dems insisting "hearsay evidence can be much better then direct evidence." Much better, really, who would have thought.
Also, let's not forget exactly how unscrupulous Schiff has been. He made up his version of the phone conversation and read it, with out explaining it was a made up, to the country during congress. He lied about not knowing the identity of the whistleblower, and if you actually believe him I have a very nice bridge to sell you real cheap too. He was just caught spying on the phone records of political rivals and reporters who do not cover the impeachment favorably for Dems. It is obvious how corrupt he is; why even work with him.
But regardless of how you feel about Trump's guilt or innocents, look at it politically.
You are a foreigner, so you certainly are not seeing the day to day status of the Democratic party, but it is completely fractured between the progressives and the moderates, and no one has the ability to unite them like Obama did. I have a lot of Dems in my family, moderates and progressives, and they are at each others throats more then they are with me. So this issue is only going to break up the party more, which is already evident with moderate Dems showing 2nd thoughts. Add to that absolutely no republican support; as a matter of fact, unlike the Dems, this issue has completely united the Republicans, even never-Trumpers in the party. Also, according to recent polling, there is a drop in support in the purple districts, and swing states, amongst independents. Last, when this moves to the Senate, the Dems will be giving up control to the Republicans, and Cocaine Mitch's house horrors will go into full swing, whom (let's be honest) is a master strategist. Everyone knows how the Senate will vote at the end of it, which has some Dems out there now saying that there is no limit to how many times you can impeach a president, and they will simply find something else after this is over. (I can see that quote being quite the effective RNC campaign ad come next year.)
It is going to be a political disaster, especially considering the Dems have no legislation to campaign on next year. If you cant see this, then you are simply allowing your ideology to blind your logic. But the thing is, censure would have accomplished the direct opposite. It would have united Dems (at least on this), fractured the Republicans, and then given the Dems some time left over to pass legislation.
Fractured parties don't win national elections, and the rift forming in the Democratic party is immense. It's making me think of the McGovern campaign.
