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Bart_van_der_Wolf

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1520 on: November 15, 2019, 08:28:27 pm »


Nor a Democrat.  Remember it was a democrat, Hunter Biden who received $50K a month for doing nothing [...]

Please, cut the crap. What evidence do you have that Hunter Biden:
a. received $50k a month
b. for doing nothing.

Not answering those, will reduce your remaining credibility to ZERO.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1521 on: November 15, 2019, 09:31:59 pm »

Please, cut the crap. What evidence do you have that Hunter Biden:
a. received $50k a month
b. for doing nothing.

Not answering those, will reduce your remaining credibility to ZERO.
Making such a naive statement and demand on me reduces your credibility to ZERO. 

The government only has to believe there's corruption to open an investigation.  That's how evidence is produced.  There's prima facie belief that someone who collects $50,000 a month for a no show job where he neither speaks the language or knows anything about the work he's doing could be receiving that money for nefarious reasons. If the government sees you driving around in a Ferrari yet your tax return indicates an income of $30,000 a year for the last five years, it raises suspicions.  They will open an investigation to see if you're hiding income to defraud the government.

No one over 12 believes that Hunter Biden earned $50,000  a month legitimately from a corporation riddled with corruption without possible favors being proffered possibly with the knowledge of his father the VP.  Certainly the president has a right to order that investigation especially since in coincided with other corrupt practice Ukraine was going on during that period.  Both Trump and Obama before him demanded that the Ukraine straighten out corruption.    Meanwhile, Hunter Biden resigned from his "positions" in both the Ukraine and China companies within the last two weeks.  Or they terminated him, or....who knows?


The bottom line is Democrats have been scratching around for an impeachment for three years to smear Trump.  That's what they want to run on in 2020 because they have nothing else.  While Trump runs on MAGA Make America Great Again, Democrats will run on TBDG - Trump Bad Democrats Good.  I have to admit, it's catchy. I wish I had thought of it.  :)

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1522 on: November 15, 2019, 09:40:24 pm »

Making such a naive statement and demand on me reduces your credibility to ZERO. 

The government only has to believe there's corruption to open an investigation.  That's how evidence is produced.

Clear. Your statements deserve no credibility whatsoever then. That even doesn't qualify you for an ignore list. That would be too much of an honor.

Thanks for confirming though, it saves me some time having to point out how ludicrous the statements are each and every time and time again.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1523 on: November 15, 2019, 09:43:53 pm »

Clear. Your statements deserve no credibility whatsoever then. That even doesn't qualify you for an ignore list. That would be too much of an honor.

Thanks for confirming though, it saves me some time having to point out how ludicrous the statements are each and every time and time again.
Well in that case, I apologize for keeping you up so late in the Netherlands for no reason at all.  What time is it there anyway? 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1524 on: November 15, 2019, 10:25:29 pm »

I don't think that it is correct to say that it "proves that is nothing but political". It just proves that they're using polling data to help decide on a strategy. On the surface it seems like a bizarre way to proceed, it's not clear to me what public opinion has to do with it. I doubt that most people understand the nuances of what's being discussed in the first place.

But as I've said before, I have no oar in this water. I couldn't care less if he's impeached or not. I think the better long-term strategy would have been to keep pointing out all the repulsive things he's done since taking office in the view of tossing him out at the next election. I would have made that priority 1, but other people are different ideas. Maybe their thinking was that if Trump was kept busy worrying about impeachment, it would distract him from doing other harm. :)

Hmmmm, ... hmmmmm, ..., but the defacto speaker of the Dems feels otherwise. 

"“At the end of the day, we have to be able to come together as a caucus, and if it is this Ukrainian allegation that is what brings the caucus together, then I think we have to run with however we unify the House,” Ocasio-Cortez told Wolf Blitzer, who asked the Congresswoman whether she hoped other potential violations by Trump would be considered in any articles of impeachment.

“. . . We also need to move quite quickly because we’re talking about the potential compromise of the 2020 elections.  And so this is not just about something that has occurred; this is about preventing a potentially disastrous outcome from occurring next year.”

I guess as Ben Franklin said, three can keep a secret if two are dead.

Insofar as the text I bolded, good luck with that! 
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1525 on: November 15, 2019, 10:36:16 pm »

Well in that case, I apologize for keeping you up so late in the Netherlands for no reason at all.  What time is it there anyway?

You make me yawn.

I'm finishing a report on airpollution, and I needed a comic relief. Disappointed again.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1526 on: November 15, 2019, 11:23:59 pm »

You make me yawn.

I'm finishing a report on airpollution, and I needed a comic relief. Disappointed again.
Well, it's hard to be funny this late in the night.   :o

Alan Klein

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1527 on: November 16, 2019, 11:42:30 am »

Good advice from Obama to Democrats too far on the left.

"Obama Says Average American Doesn’t Want to ‘Tear Down System’
Former President Barack Obama, in an address to liberal donors, warned candidates not to go too far left and sought to calm those who were concerned about the state of the Democratic primary."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/us/politics/barack-obama-2020-dems.html

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1528 on: November 16, 2019, 11:54:52 am »

Please, cut the crap. What evidence do you have that Hunter Biden:
a. received $50k a month
b. for doing nothing.

Not answering those, will reduce your remaining credibility to ZERO.

Take a chill pill, Bart. I know ignorance is bliss, but one can take that principle too far.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1529 on: November 16, 2019, 12:31:37 pm »

Take a chill pill, Bart. I know ignorance is bliss, but one can take that principle too far.

Thanks for the advice Frans, but Alan K. has no problem demonstrating that principle, hence the questions ...
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1530 on: November 16, 2019, 01:40:44 pm »

One humorous, one serious:

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1531 on: November 16, 2019, 03:45:09 pm »

Media, congress, etc: Trump did X and it's illegal.

Trump: I didn't do X.

Media, congress, etc: Here's proof that  you did it

Trump: OK I did it but it's not illegal or wrong.

Media, congress, etc: Here's proof that its wrong/illegal.

Trump: OK, so what. Witch hunt!!!
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1532 on: November 16, 2019, 05:23:16 pm »

Media, congress, etc: Trump did X and it's illegal.

Trump: I didn't do X.

Media, congress, etc: Here's proof that  you did it

Trump: OK I did it but it's not illegal or wrong.

Media, congress, etc: Here's proof that its wrong/illegal.

Trump: OK, so what. Witch hunt!!!
The Bidens are corrupt so they should be investigated.  That's not illegal.  I thought you were opposed to corruption. 

The democrats will impeach regardless because they want to win the presidential election in 2020 and need to smear Trump because they got nothing else to run on or anyone except Biden who might win.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1533 on: November 16, 2019, 09:22:51 pm »

The Bidens are corrupt so they should be investigated.  That's not illegal.  I thought you were opposed to corruption. 

The democrats will impeach regardless because they want to win the presidential election in 2020 and need to smear Trump because they got nothing else to run on or anyone except Biden who might win.

It appears as if Trump tried to use the power of the state to force someone (the guy in Ukraine) to help Trump in a personal political battle. He didn't try to use American muscle to accomplish a foreign policy objective or fix some trade problem or accomplish some national security objective, he did to enhance his own political fortune. He didn't do it for the country.

What I cannot understand is why you don't think this is problem.

Trump's political aspirations ARE not the concern of the state. The USA is NOT Trump. You don't seem to be able to separate these concepts. Except I think you probably can but choose not to, or pretend not to. Explain to us how your behaviour is any different to that of a paid-for troll.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1534 on: November 16, 2019, 11:02:17 pm »

It appears as if Trump tried to use the power of the state to force someone (the guy in Ukraine) to help Trump in a personal political battle. He didn't try to use American muscle to accomplish a foreign policy objective or fix some trade problem or accomplish some national security objective, he did to enhance his own political fortune. He didn't do it for the country.

What I cannot understand is why you don't think this is problem.

Trump's political aspirations ARE not the concern of the state. The USA is NOT Trump. You don't seem to be able to separate these concepts. Except I think you probably can but choose not to, or pretend not to. Explain to us how your behaviour is any different to that of a paid-for troll.
Corruption in government is the concern of government.  You can;t seem to see that there could be two operating contingencies working here.  One, corruption of the VP and a foreign country that we need to prosecute and political fallout that benefits a politician.  Politicians make all sorts of legal decisions with one eye on political fallout in their favor or against them for that matter.  Obama pulled American troops out of Iraq in 2011 to help him win re-election knowing that he would create a vacuum for ISIS and cost thousands of more lives in extending the war that he could have avoided.  You seem more concerned about $50,000 a month payoffs that the death of people.  No one called for the prosecution of Obama as it was his prerogative to do what he did even though he did it with his eyes on the election.

The Democrats went after Trump based on a phony dossier to investigate Russian collusion.  But of course everyone understood there would be political fallout in the favor of Democrats as proved by the 2018 election when dirtying up Trump helped Democrats win the House.  That wasn't pretty.  The current impeachment after the collusion failed is just more politics on the Democrat side.  The Democrat poll that Joe mentioned earlier shows that the Democrats are only interested in damaging the president, not impeachment in itself.  Only a paid-for-troll couldn't see that.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1535 on: November 16, 2019, 11:59:45 pm »

Only a paid-for-troll couldn't see that.

Could we really get paid for our posts?
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1536 on: November 17, 2019, 12:10:41 am »

I had no idea politicians did good things for America just to get re-elected.





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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1537 on: November 17, 2019, 07:11:40 am »

So, now it looks like the impeachment circus won't hurt the Democrats.

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One thing seems certain: The predicted political backlash over impeachment that Democrats were frightened about will not be taking place. Republicans won't have an easy time employing the standard partisan witch hunt argument.
The case that House Democrats are making to the public about how Trump and his inner circle abused presidential power, skewed foreign policy for personal gain and then tried to hide and obstruct the investigation that followed the revelations is becoming overwhelming. The President himself keeps helping Democrats build their case through his tweets and public statements. His inclination to attack and seek to destroy might work in less frenzied times but now it registers differently in the middle of a formal investigation.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/opinions/democrats-backlash-impeachment-zelizer/index.html
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« Reply #1538 on: November 17, 2019, 07:18:55 am »

So, now it looks like the impeachment circus won't hurt the Democrats.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/opinions/democrats-backlash-impeachment-zelizer/index.html

It's an opinion piece. 

Look at polling, those in the swing states are not for the impeachment hearings.  It is in the swing states where it matters. 
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« Reply #1539 on: November 17, 2019, 07:29:47 am »

It's an opinion piece. 

Look at polling, those in the swing states are not for the impeachment hearings.  It is in the swing states where it matters.

But it could hurt Trump on another level. As recently reported, he underwent an unscheduled health exam on Saturday.

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At February's physical exam, Trump weighed 243 pounds, four pounds more than the previous year's exam. His blood pressure was measured as 118/80, and results showed he had increased his daily dose of rosuvastatin, a medication used to treat high cholesterol, according to the exam results. The examination took "approximately four hours" and did not require any sedation or anesthesia, according to the President's physician, Dr. Sean Conley, who performed and supervised the exam. Last year's exam revealed that Trump has a common form of heart disease and high cholesterol.

Then-White House physician Dr. Ronny Jackson recommended that the President get on a diet, start exercising and set a goal of losing a dozen pounds, but sources told CNN in February that Trump had made only minor changes to his diet and exercise regimen since his 2018 exam. Jackson also revealed that Trump underwent a coronary calcium CT scan as part of his routine physical exam. Trump's score was recorded as 133, and Gupta noted at the time that anything over 100 indicates plaque is present and that the patient has heart disease.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/16/politics/trump-annual-physical-walter-reed/index.html
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