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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #820 on: November 01, 2019, 06:16:44 pm »

There are 40+ republicans on the three committees that are conducting the impeachment investigations.

Yep.  That's (one reason) why their little dog and pony show is total nonsense. 
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #821 on: November 01, 2019, 06:30:55 pm »

There are 40+ republicans on the three committees that are conducting the impeachment investigations.

At this point truth and common sense have become totally unrelated to the behaviour of republicans.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #822 on: November 01, 2019, 06:32:33 pm »

Bernard, if there is any “disrespect” for the Constitution, it comes from Democrats, who have been desperately trying to overturn election results by a slow-motion coup d’etat, clutching at the straws, and making mountains out of molehills. As if they haven’t learned anything from the spectacular failure that the Russian Connection was, they are now going for the Ukrainian one. The result will be the same: Trump 2020.

I am at a loss why a smart person like you is comfortable looking himself in the mirror and feel that this bunch of lies is aligned with who you are and the values you stand for.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #823 on: November 01, 2019, 07:05:14 pm »

I am at a loss...

That is because you totally misjudged the situation. Which shouldn't be surprising, given the distance you are observing.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #824 on: November 01, 2019, 07:12:56 pm »

... After Trump leaves office, or is removed by the impeachment process, he could be charged with any federal crimes he committed during his tenure.

Again, there are NONE. Were there at least a single one, Dems would pounce on it for impeachment. The fact that Mueller couldn't indict a sitting president doesn't mean that Congress could not start impeachment. The fact that he couldn't exonerate him either is a simple formal logic: you can not prove a negative (in this case, absence of proof).

But hey, keep drinking that Russian vodka. Or even better, switch to a Ukrainian one.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #825 on: November 01, 2019, 07:22:58 pm »

There are 40+ republicans on the three committees that are conducting the impeachment investigations.

Can somebody provide evidence for that? I didn't dig deep into that, but the only "proof" I saw is that those Republicans are members of those committees. That fact might or may not mean that they are actually participating in those impeachment hearings. And if they are, then they are protesting the closed nature of the hearings in which, procedurally, they are not allowed to issue their own subpoenas or question witnesses. Again, I admit that I did not dig deep into the issue, so I welcome if someone proves me wrong. 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #826 on: November 01, 2019, 07:24:25 pm »

At this point truth and common sense have become totally unrelated to the behaviour of republicans.

Which (whose) truth and which (whose) common sense? You state that as if you (collective you) are the holder of absolute truth and common sense.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #827 on: November 01, 2019, 07:41:20 pm »

Here's a prediction for you guys: The Democrat impeachment circus will lead to (1) The Republicans retaking the House next year. (2) The Republicans hanging on to the Senate next year, and (3) The reelection of Trump next year. Keep your eyes peeled and your ear to the ground. (Can't think of any more clichés at the moment.) Stay alert.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #828 on: November 01, 2019, 08:20:08 pm »

Bernard, if there is any “disrespect” for the Constitution, it comes from Democrats, who have been desperately trying to overturn election results by a slow-motion coup d’etat, clutching at the straws, and making mountains out of molehills. As if they haven’t learned anything from the spectacular failure that the Russian Connection was, they are now going for the Ukrainian one. The result will be the same: Trump 2020.

It's not in any sense a coup.

A coup d'état (/ˌkuː deɪˈtɑː/ ( listen); French: [ku deta]), also known by its German name putsch (/pʊtʃ/), or simply as a coup, is the overthrow of an existing government by non-democratic means; typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a dictator, the military, or a political faction.

An impeachment and trial is clearly and specifically Constitutional and legal. You might not like it, but it's not a coup.

What I really don't understand about Trump supporters -- and specifically you Slobodan -- is your acceptance of a guy like Trump. I assume you're pretty conservative. Trump isn't. Neither are his politics. I mean, as an economist do you think the signature Trump achievement so far, his tax cut, which has led to a near trillion dollar deficit at a time of increasing tax collections was a good idea? Or are you one of those people who believe the deficits don't matter? People say, "I don't like Trump, but I support his policies." Which policies? The trade war with China that's devastated our farm economy? The encouragement of such things as coal mining, at a time when we know if does great damage to the environment AND is already uneconomic, given the rise of fracking and natural gas? I personally don't disagree that socialism is a threat we need to deal with (see Soviet Communism, Mao, Pol Pot -- it's generally been as bad or worse than fascism, when it's leaders get cornered) but you don't deal with it by supporting a fascist like Trump. But the thing that worries me more than anything is the fact that Trump is deranged. He suffers from known mental illnesses called delusional disorder of the grandiose type and from narcissism. As I made clear in an earlier post, I can live with a conservative president, or, for that matter, a liberal President. I have a hard time with a crazy one, who makes decisions like the one he made on Syria, apparently without consulting virtually any military leaders.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #829 on: November 01, 2019, 09:58:12 pm »

Here's a prediction for you guys: The Democrat impeachment circus will lead to (1) The Republicans retaking the House next year. (2) The Republicans hanging on to the Senate next year, and (3) The reelection of Trump next year. Keep your eyes peeled and your ear to the ground. (Can't think of any more clichés at the moment.) Stay alert.

And Warren on the ticket pretty much seals the deal. 

$51T healthcare plan, and she claims taxes on the middle class wont go up.   ::)

Oops, excuse me, it's actually $52T. 
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #830 on: November 02, 2019, 12:29:38 am »

At this point truth and common sense have become totally unrelated to the behaviour of republicans.

Cheers,
Bernard


You're apparently not even an American.  Why even respond?  And, do you really think what your media spoon feeds you is the truth?  Myself I don't give a rat's ass what the politics are in Canada or UK.  Have no idea what they are in Japan.  I leave it up to their citizens to decide what they want.


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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #831 on: November 02, 2019, 01:38:04 am »

Let me Google that for you...

How did you miss what I said:

Can somebody provide evidence for that? I didn't dig deep into that, but the only "proof" I saw is that those Republicans are members of those committees. That fact might or may not mean that they are actually participating in those impeachment hearings. And if they are, then they are protesting the closed nature of the hearings in which, procedurally, they are not allowed to issue their own subpoenas or question witnesses. Again, I admit that I did not dig deep into the issue, so I welcome if someone proves me wrong. 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #832 on: November 02, 2019, 04:15:15 am »

You're apparently not even an American.  Why even respond?  And, do you really think what your media spoon feeds you is the truth?  Myself I don't give a rat's ass what the politics are in Canada or UK.  Have no idea what they are in Japan.  I leave it up to their citizens to decide what they want.

Fine, I’ll stop to care about US politics the day US stops to attempt to influence the politics of Japan, Europe and the Middle East and the US$ ceases to control the price of oil and most other core utilities.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #833 on: November 02, 2019, 04:21:40 am »

That is because you totally misjudged the situation. Which shouldn't be surprising, given the distance you are observing.

Have you even considered the possibility that you may be misjudging the situation completely?

Which wouldn’t be surprising if you are limiting your information sources or casting unfounded judgements about those you are ruling out, in the way I suspect you do.

Because any way you look at it, Trump has been violating the constitution.

And you have not provided any sensible explanation showing that he didn’t. You have just kept whining about a conspiracy from liberals without showing any interest whatsoever for the facts at hand, starting from the own admissions of Trump.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #834 on: November 02, 2019, 04:32:19 am »

Can somebody provide evidence for that? I didn't dig deep into that, but the only "proof" I saw is that those Republicans are members of those committees. That fact might or may not mean that they are actually participating in those impeachment hearings. And if they are, then they are protesting the closed nature of the hearings in which, procedurally, they are not allowed to issue their own subpoenas or question witnesses. Again, I admit that I did not dig deep into the issue, so I welcome if someone proves me wrong.

How can you participate to this thread without having checked yourself the most basic aspects about Trump’s impreachement proceedings?

You have just demonstrated without any possible doubt that your opinion is not based on the facts, just on pre-conceived view that democrats are bring unfair to Trump.

Please do yourself a favor and look into this seriously, just look at the facts and make up your opinion based on them.

What’s to be feared?

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #835 on: November 02, 2019, 05:20:56 am »

What’s to be feared?

That there is life outside the bubble?
Or that people are going to take someone seriously, instead of assuming that that person is trolling?
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #836 on: November 02, 2019, 09:51:40 am »

... Because any way you look at it, Trump has been violating the constitution.

And you have not provided any sensible explanation showing that he didn’t...

There is this little annoying thing called presumption of innocence, i.e., it is your job to prove his guilt, beyond a reasonable doubt, not his job or mine. Two years of investigations, with media screeching about his guilt 24/7, with everything and a kitchen sink thrown at him, and... nothing. No proof.

Now we are at the beginning of the circus #2, Ukraine. Good luck with that.

And again, a negative is impossible to prove. It is a basic formal logic. So, no one can “prove” that he didn’t violate the constitution.

Since you are in Japan, it would behoove you to watch Akira Kurosawa’s movie Rashomon. It would teach you a lot about complexities of truth and justice, and that a story may have a number of different views and interpretations.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #837 on: November 02, 2019, 10:31:42 am »

What I really don't understand about Trump supporters -- and specifically you Slobodan -- is your acceptance of a guy like Trump. I assume you're pretty conservative. Trump isn't. Neither are his politics. I mean, as an economist do you think the signature Trump achievement so far, his tax cut, which has led to a near trillion dollar deficit at a time of increasing tax collections was a good idea? Or are you one of those people who believe the deficits don't matter? People say, "I don't like Trump, but I support his policies." Which policies? The trade war with China that's devastated our farm economy? The encouragement of such things as coal mining, at a time when we know if does great damage to the environment AND is already uneconomic, given the rise of fracking and natural gas? I personally don't disagree that socialism is a threat we need to deal with (see Soviet Communism, Mao, Pol Pot -- it's generally been as bad or worse than fascism, when it's leaders get cornered) but you don't deal with it by supporting a fascist like Trump. But the thing that worries me more than anything is the fact that Trump is deranged. He suffers from known mental illnesses called delusional disorder of the grandiose type and from narcissism. As I made clear in an earlier post, I can live with a conservative president, or, for that matter, a liberal President. I have a hard time with a crazy one, who makes decisions like the one he made on Syria, apparently without consulting virtually any military leaders.

I don't think it's about policy, it's culture war. These are not policy discussions. Trump doesn't represent nor discuss policy. He doesn't act from ideology or philosophy. People like him because they think he's sticking it "the man". Trouble is "the man" is whoever you choose him to be.

Trump gets away with a lot because people inherently know he's a low-rent jerk and so they don't expect decency from him. That lack of decency is mistaken for rebellion because people can't tell the difference any more. Can you imagine the outrage if Warren or Biden or AOC threw paper towels at people on the Jersey shores after hurricane Sandy's granddaughter knocks them on their ass again.

People can convince themselves of anything. The coal miners won't get their jobs back and the manufacturing industries (which are doing fine btw, it's only unskilled factory workers who suffered) won't be hiring the unskilled to carry boxes around any more. But they think that Trump has solved these problems because the distance between high-level policy and low-level effects on people's daily lives is so great that nobody can see the link in the first place. It serves the purpose of many to convince people to not look beyond their fingertips for analysis and understanding. Achieving in depth understanding of anything is hard work, it requires thought, evidence gathering and study. We may no longer have the infrastructure to do that.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #838 on: November 02, 2019, 10:58:19 am »

... it's culture war...

You bet it is.

You want to abolish the first and second amendment (and some others along the way). You want open borders. You want to send people to jail for using the “wrong” pronoun for freaks. You want to send people to jail for using terms like “illegal alien” and “bitch.” You want people losing their jobs for a joke from decades ago. You wage a culture war on everything: on whites, on men, on Christmas, on Columbus, on Christians, on comedy, on humor, on sex, on families, on having children, on meat, on airplanes...

And then you wonder people like a jerk who has the tenacity to stand in your way.

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« Reply #839 on: November 02, 2019, 11:15:37 am »

Fine, I’ll stop to care about US politics the day US stops to attempt to influence the politics of Japan, Europe and the Middle East and the US$ ceases to control the price of oil and most other core utilities.



The market controls the price of oil.  All countries try to influence others to some degree, but as an individual I basically don't care.


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