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Alan Klein

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #220 on: October 06, 2019, 10:23:05 pm »

Ever hear of the concept of a free market? What an employer and employee agree between themselves should be a voluntary, private contract and the government shouldn't have any involvement.
Many people want to be treated like children by Big Daddy government who will take care of them.  But Big Daddy has curfews and other requirements that don't give you the freedom to live your own life.  Some people don;t mind.  They like being treated like children.  They think they're safer. 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #221 on: October 06, 2019, 10:48:08 pm »

(1) Sure It does.  They're both running for president in 2020.

No it doesn't. The proven violation of the constitution performed by Trump remains a violation, regardless of the reason why he violated it.

(2) When Biden "broke the law", he was VP.  No one cares about VP's.  As one VP once said, the job isn;t worth a bucket of "spit". In any case, the President at that time wa Obama, a Democrat.  He was his running mate.  DOn;t you think Obama wanted the whole Ukraine investigation to disappear as well?

That's not even close to being true. If the Republicans had had legitimate bullets against Biden when he was VP, they would have used them to hurt Obama. This is 100% sure. You know it as well as I do.

(3) People are tired of corruption.  That's why they hired Trump -to clean out the swamp.  They figure it takes one to know one.  Now Biden appears to be corrupt.  That he didn't play by the rules when it came to his son finagling in the Ukraine. Now that I mentioned it, Warren is another corrupt individual.  She lied about her heritage to gain personal advantages.  So was Hillary who used her position many people say as Secretary of State to shake down foreign leaders to contribute millions to the Clinton Foundation. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

And it should be very clear by now that the expectations Trump raised about clearing the swamp were pure lies. Never has an administration been as swampy as Trump's own. Starting with Trump himself and extending to his family.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #222 on: October 06, 2019, 10:56:22 pm »

Well, Bernard, I guess you'll be voting against Trump. 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #223 on: October 06, 2019, 10:58:51 pm »

Well, Bernard, I guess you'll be voting against Trump.

I don't think that Trump will be a candidate.

I believe that the Republican Senate will understand that the credibilty of the GOP is more important than Trump.

They will stop supporting him based on the additional evidence that are starting to emerge.

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« Reply #224 on: October 06, 2019, 11:00:32 pm »

I don't think that Trump will be a candidate.

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Bernard

Then you'll be voting for someone else.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #225 on: October 07, 2019, 01:17:03 am »

What racism? It's a derogatory term, certainly, but it's unclear how it can be said to be racist.

Jeremy

Just as calling an Indian "Gunga Din" is racist, or shopping at a "Paki shop". is racist  However, I realise that someone who takes his lead from Rod Liddle is unlkely to see a problem.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #226 on: October 07, 2019, 04:01:38 am »

Even a 'free' market has rules and regulations. Unless one lives in a banana republic *).

*) In economics, a banana republic is a country with an economy of state capitalism, by which economic model the country is operated as a private commercial enterprise for the exclusive profit of the ruling class. Such exploitation is enabled by collusion between the state and favored economic monopolies, in which the profit, derived from the private exploitation of public lands, is private property, while the debts incurred thereby are the financial responsibility of the public treasury.

That's the sort of muddle-minded socialism that has ruined the chimney-sweeping trade :-)
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #227 on: October 07, 2019, 08:44:02 am »

Proof, or just innuendo and libel?
So was the collusion charge against Trump accusing him of treason. Yet the Democrats spent 2 1/2 years trying to impeach the victim of a phony charge.   Using the secret services of the last administration to spy on his campaign and people and to start a phony investigation.  Yet, you have no problem with that.  No apologies.  No I'm sorries.  Now when the situation is reversed, and Biden, who admitted to shutting down the Ukraine investigation of his son as VP, the new administration asks for an investigation to see if there was wrong doing, you again want to impeach Trump.  It seems there's a double standard and a lot of hypocrisy going around. 

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« Reply #228 on: October 07, 2019, 09:19:00 am »

Just as calling an Indian "Gunga Din" is racist, or shopping at a "Paki shop". is racist  However, I realise that someone who takes his lead from Rod Liddle is unlkely to see a problem.
Being an American, I'm not familiar with your interpretation.  But there was an American movie by that name made before I was born that I thought made this individual into a hero.   I remember seing it in the fifties and that how I remember him portrayed.   I just looked Ginga Din up in Google.  I got this interpretation.  How is that racist?  It seems calling someone by his name is a complement.  Of course, they may be other interpretations Americans aren't familiar with.  So if there are, let me know what they are. 

"Whenever I tell someone ‘You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din!’ it’s a compliment.  It will always be a compliment because it is referring to Din, an Indian Bhishti of unexpected character and bravery.  So, the next time someone refers to you using this phrase, thank them for the compliment and their insight."
https://www.theleadermaker.com/youre-a-better-man-than-i-am-gunga-din/



In any case, Pocohontas, unlike Gunga DIn, was a very important person in her own right. 


"Pocahontas was a Native American woman born around 1595. She was the daughter of the powerful Chief Powhatan, the ruler of the Powhatan tribal nation, which at its strongest included around 30 Algonquian communities located in the Tidewater region of Virginia.....Pocahontas became known by the colonists as an important Powhatan emissary. She occasionally brought the hungry settlers food and helped successfully negotiate the release of Powhatan prisoners in 1608. ....She married an American leader....While in captivity, Pocahontas lived in the settlement of Henricus under the care of a minister named Alexander Whitaker where she learned about Christianity, English culture and how to speak English. Pocahontas converted to Christianity, was baptized and given the name “Rebecca.”....(She moved to England with her husband)In London, Pocahontas was revered as a princess and referred to as “Lady Rebecca Wolfe.” She attended plays and balls and was even presented to the royal family..."


So calling someone Pocahontas seems to me an honor certainly one that shouldn't even be bestowed on Elizabeth Warren.  She doesn't have the qualities of Pocahontas. Certainly, I wouldn;t refer to Warren as a princess and call her Lady Rebecca Wolfe as Pocahontas was called. 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #229 on: October 07, 2019, 09:19:39 am »

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #230 on: October 07, 2019, 09:48:43 am »

That's the sort of muddle-minded socialism that has ruined the chimney-sweeping trade :-)


No, not in the least: the job has morphed. The single time we had it done here in Spain, the work was done by builders; quite a digital sort of performance. They took a couple of plastic bags and filled them with stones, tied that to the end of a rope, and proceeded to go up to the roof from whence they pushed the bag down the stainless steel pipe that runs from the back of our stove, through the cement outer stack, right up to the skies; yanked said plastic bags up and down a few times, and after filling the wood burner with hard, burned cinders, declared the job done...

Not a small boy was either trapped, bruised, cajoled, bribed or otherwise harmed during the entire cleansing process. We have come a long way.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #231 on: October 07, 2019, 10:25:30 am »

So you admit it is just innuendo and libel on your part.
 


FYI, the Biden case has been investigated earlier and nothing illegal was found. The replacement of a Ukranian prosecutor was an international cooperative effort.

Trump, on the other hand, did violate the constitution by soliciting foreign interference in the election process by (now) multiple countries, admitted to doing it, and more proof of other violations is surfacing as a result.
No, not innuendo.  Biden admitted to shutting down the investigation when he was VP.  Trump did not violate the constitution as he is charged as president with enforcing laws.  Only he could ask a foreign president to help in a potential criminal case.  That's his job.  Or he can ask the Attorney General or his ambassador to speak to the foreign leader.  Even Rudy.  In any case, if he gets side political benefit, well that's the way it is.  His acting under his authority as president makes it legal and constitutional. 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #232 on: October 07, 2019, 10:33:45 am »

His acting under his authority as president makes it legal and constitutional.

L'état, c'est lui?

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #233 on: October 07, 2019, 10:49:53 am »

L'état, c'est lui?
Please.  Trump isn't a king.  The authority I was referring to is his constitutionally.  He's charged with making deals with foreign leaders under the advice and consent of the Senate.  Enforcing law of the US are part of his responsibility.  So asking a foreign leader to intervene in a potential criminal case affecting American law is within that authority.  Of course, I recognize there are political implications.  No more so than when Obama was involved when he authorized surveillance of Trump's people during the election.  We all understand what happened in both cases that there are political ramifications.  But let's not be simple yokels.  Let's not have double standards that gives one side the legal right to do stuff but not the other.   

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #234 on: October 07, 2019, 12:55:00 pm »

Just as calling an Indian "Gunga Din" is racist, or shopping at a "Paki shop". is racist  However, I realise that someone who takes his lead from Rod Liddle is unlkely to see a problem.

But Warren, despite having no, or no significant, native American ancestry, has claimed that she does; that's why Trump uses the term, which is mocking but cannot be racist. Calling you "Gunga Din" or a "Paki" would be foolish, but not racist (assuming your race is as your photograph suggests). The use of the term is yet another example of its misappropriation in order to claim moral high ground and suppress argument.

I fail to see the relevance of your reference to Rod Liddle. Doubtless it makes sense, to you at least.

Jeremy
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #235 on: October 07, 2019, 01:03:39 pm »

Completely unfit to serve.  Yes, this is 100% real and no, it's not a parody account.  This is the President of the United States of America, and shameful can't begin to describe it.


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« Reply #236 on: October 07, 2019, 01:31:23 pm »

Calling you "Gunga Din" or a "Paki" would be foolish, but not racist (assuming your race is as your photograph suggests).

Obviously it would, since it would suggest that being (say) a Pakistani is somehow a negative characteristic. Likewise if I called someone a Jew, regardless of their race.

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I fail to see the relevance of your reference to Rod Liddle. Doubtless it makes sense, to you at least.

Perhaps it was someone else who wrote:
Rod Liddle, a political commentator in the UK, generally spells with word with multiple "a"s, aptly mimicking the usual pronunciation of those who resort to it.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #237 on: October 07, 2019, 02:03:45 pm »

Trump has:
1. Destroyed ISIS territory and made what's left a rump organization

Well, that didn't last long, did it?
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« Reply #238 on: October 07, 2019, 02:18:09 pm »

Again, I find myself at odds with others over the definitions - for they are many - of racism.

Paki, to me, is always an abbreviation of Pakistani, in exactly the same way as Rob is of Robert. There is simply no more to it than that.

However, if I may slip into the mindset of those who think otherwise, for a moment: in that frame of reference, then, the assumption has to have been made that Paki or Pakistani is a form of insult because either is, somehow, a definition of belonging to an inferior breed of human being, something not purely English, or whatever one prefers to choose as standard of reference of measure of what constitutes a worthy human being.

Frankly, it is simply silly to make such an assumption - I trust - and so to avoid that, one has to accept that Paki and/or Pakistani are nothing more or less than the names by which we recognize people from a particular country.

Rob aka Robert.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #239 on: October 07, 2019, 02:30:28 pm »

Completely unfit to serve.  Yes, this is 100% real and no, it's not a parody account.  This is the President of the United States of America, and shameful can't begin to describe it.



I don;t like walking away from allies who fought with us on the battlefield.  But, Americans have had it with the Middle East.  We been fighting their for decades even before 9-11.  Didn't we save Kuwait in the first Middle East War in 1991?  We walked out on the Kurds then too, as I recall and many died by the hand of Saddam.  If China invades Taiwan, should we fight there?  How about South Korea?  Japan?  What about Eastern Europe against Russia? (not that I think they'll attack).   Should we stay in Afghanistan after waring there for 18 years?  When is enough, enough?  I've been pretty much of a warmonger over the years.  But even I'm getting tired of it.  Let them sort out their differences among themselves.  We tend to mess it up anyway when we stay involved.  Let's hope Trump is right and Turkey isn't going to walk over them.  I hope not.
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