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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #260 on: October 08, 2019, 11:53:10 am »

What I don;t understand is why you foreigners are so obsessed with Trump.  I mean I look at Boris Johnson, and go , "meh", seems a little weird and I wonder of he knows what he's doing.  But I don't obsess about him like my neighbors wife.  You don;t live here.  You don't pay taxes here?  You don't have to send your son off to American wars.  You don't vote here.  Just what is it that drives you to think about this guy all the time?
It is an international forum and the topic of the thread is Trump. What you see as obsession is really just staying on topic. Of course, given your unwavering support of Trump, you would see it as obsession. I'm sure if someone started a thread on Boris Johnson, you would see more posts about Boris Johnson.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #261 on: October 08, 2019, 11:53:20 am »

Let me guess - "go back where you came from".
Thanks for making my point.

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« Reply #262 on: October 08, 2019, 11:56:08 am »

It is an international forum and the topic of the thread is Trump. What you see as obsession is really just staying on topic. I'm sure if someone started a thread on Boris Johnson, you would see more posts about Boris Johnson.
The Brexit thread says a lot about Johnson.  And I've contributed a lot there.  But I don't obsess about Johnson.  I don't hate him.  He's your problem, not mine. You guys obsess about Trump.  Hate him so much.  I'm curious.  Why is that? 

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« Reply #263 on: October 08, 2019, 12:12:46 pm »

Maybe because Trump is a president like no other.
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« Reply #264 on: October 08, 2019, 12:25:39 pm »

Warren and Sanders are too liberal, practically Marxists.

It is very difficult to take your statements seriously.
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« Reply #265 on: October 08, 2019, 12:33:28 pm »

Maybe because Trump is a president like no other.

He does suck all the oxygen out of the room.
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« Reply #266 on: October 08, 2019, 12:41:10 pm »

It is very difficult to take your statements seriously.
Why is that?

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« Reply #267 on: October 08, 2019, 01:36:38 pm »

Warren and Sanders are too liberal, practically Marxists.   

It is very difficult to take your statements seriously.

Why is that?

Because your statements are hyperbolic in the extreme. I'd wager you haven't read The Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital.
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« Reply #268 on: October 08, 2019, 04:37:10 pm »

Because your statements are hyperbolic in the extreme. I'd wager you haven't read The Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital.
No I haven't.  But Sanders did.

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« Reply #269 on: October 08, 2019, 05:03:58 pm »

Because your statements are hyperbolic in the extreme. I'd wager you haven't read The Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital.

The Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital or 50 Shades Of Gray. All equally off-putting.
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« Reply #270 on: October 08, 2019, 05:44:23 pm »

The Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital or 50 Shades Of Gray. All equally off-putting.

Years ago, I made a video adaptation of that last one: . Let me apologize in advance.
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« Reply #271 on: October 08, 2019, 06:24:27 pm »

The Brexit thread says a lot about Johnson.  And I've contributed a lot there.  But I don't obsess about Johnson.  I don't hate him.  He's your problem, not mine. You guys obsess about Trump.  Hate him so much.  I'm curious.  Why is that?

Another attempt to turn him into a victim while he is the perpetrator.

Do I hate Trump? No.
Do I dislike him? Yes.

Why so?
- because I think that he is taking the world in the wrong direction in terms of philosophy. Although I believe that state should really promote equality of opportunities for all and help those in the need, I am also a firm believer in the power of free enterprise and open trade - be it under the control of the state to avoid the market becoming unbalanced if some entities become too powerful, be it biased towards sustainability. And Trump has been the worst offender against free trade for tens of years. Way worse than what you keep calling "socialist European countries"
- because I believe that debt is the worse kind of dependance, and his tax policy - focusing on reducing tax for the richest - is create debt, and the Reagan years have demonstrated clearly that this doesn't result in a more dynamic economy, it only result in the super rich getting hyper rich
- because, although I believe that private life should stay private, I believe that leaders should fare reasonably well in terms of moral authority, and Trump has been known to violate his word, participate in unfair business practices,... he is the most immoral guy in power in a democratic country in tens of years
- because I think that he is fundamentally racist (which is crazy when you understand what America is) and profoundly disrespects woman in any capacity except that of sex toy
- because of his retard positions about global warming that goes against the good will of a large majority of Americans who understand the reality of the threat
- because I believe that he is a true danger to the stability of the world
- because I believe that positions of power should be occupied by people with a deep understanding of philosophy and the nature of the world, which goes far being "the art of the deal". The "art of the deal" probably accounts for less than 0.01% of what I expect a president of the US to know,
- because I believe that positions of power should be occupied by people who have solved reasonably well the basic psychologic issues most of us manage to deal with during our teenage years
- because the kind of lowest common denominator approach he is making so common lowers the level of civilization, not just in the US, but worldwide
- because there is a truth and his constant lying just sucks
- because he is a threat to democracy because he is demonstrating on a daily basis his non respect for the law and the constitution of the US. How do you expect kids to behave when the boss is a crook?
- and, above all, because I like a certain idea of America that rhymes with excellence and progress... and that he is just the opposite of that

If you think that foreigners shouldn't comment on Trump, then make sure that the US becomes a small country with no international influence. Trump may get you that though...

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #272 on: October 08, 2019, 07:09:28 pm »

- because I believe that positions of power should be occupied by people who have solved reasonably well the basic psychologic issues most of us manage to deal with during our teenage years

So, are we to infer from this that you think Trump might be exaggerating when he says he is a "stable genius" who exhibits "great and unmatched wisdom?"

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« Reply #273 on: October 08, 2019, 07:24:30 pm »

So, are we to infer from this that you think Trump might be exaggerating when he says he is a "stable genius" who exhibits "great and unmatched wisdom?"

He is indeed unmatched, but the "stable genius" should be modified to "unstable genie out of the bottle".
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #274 on: October 08, 2019, 07:50:29 pm »

So, are we to infer from this that you think Trump might be exaggerating when he says he is a "stable genius" who exhibits "great and unmatched wisdom?"

Somewhat.

Cheers,
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« Reply #275 on: October 08, 2019, 08:29:43 pm »

Another attempt to turn him into a victim while he is the perpetrator.

Do I hate Trump? No.
Do I dislike him? Yes.

Why so?
- because I think that he is taking the world in the wrong direction in terms of philosophy. Although I believe that state should really promote equality of opportunities for all and help those in the need, I am also a firm believer in the power of free enterprise and open trade - be it under the control of the state to avoid the market becoming unbalanced if some entities become too powerful, be it biased towards sustainability. And Trump has been the worst offender against free trade for tens of years. Way worse than what you keep calling "socialist European countries"
- because I believe that debt is the worse kind of dependance, and his tax policy - focusing on reducing tax for the richest - is create debt, and the Reagan years have demonstrated clearly that this doesn't result in a more dynamic economy, it only result in the super rich getting hyper rich
- because, although I believe that private life should stay private, I believe that leaders should fare reasonably well in terms of moral authority, and Trump has been known to violate his word, participate in unfair business practices,... he is the most immoral guy in power in a democratic country in tens of years
- because I think that he is fundamentally racist (which is crazy when you understand what America is) and profoundly disrespects woman in any capacity except that of sex toy
- because of his retard positions about global warming that goes against the good will of a large majority of Americans who understand the reality of the threat
- because I believe that he is a true danger to the stability of the world
- because I believe that positions of power should be occupied by people with a deep understanding of philosophy and the nature of the world, which goes far being "the art of the deal". The "art of the deal" probably accounts for less than 0.01% of what I expect a president of the US to know,
- because I believe that positions of power should be occupied by people who have solved reasonably well the basic psychologic issues most of us manage to deal with during our teenage years
- because the kind of lowest common denominator approach he is making so common lowers the level of civilization, not just in the US, but worldwide
- because there is a truth and his constant lying just sucks
- because he is a threat to democracy because he is demonstrating on a daily basis his non respect for the law and the constitution of the US. How do you expect kids to behave when the boss is a crook?
- and, above all, because I like a certain idea of America that rhymes with excellence and progress... and that he is just the opposite of that

If you think that foreigners shouldn't comment on Trump, then make sure that the US becomes a small country with no international influence. Trump may get you that though...

Cheers,
Bernard
I appreciate you taking the time to tell us what you think.  But often what you see is only in the eye of the beholder as others see other things, often very differently. 


Sure he curses and played around in private life.  A lot of men do especially those with influence and money.  Many presidents have been adulterers in the White House. However, there's not a hint of that with Trump.  He seems to be a very stable, influential, and a good family man.  His children seem that way as well.  He's not a racist and he only seems prejudicial to those that are not loyal to him or betray him.  People who call him anti-Semitic are acting bizarre. His daughter is a converted Jew and his son-in-law is an Orthodox Jew.    He neither drinks, drugs, or smokes and never has. 


Yes, he's tough in business and I had personal experience with him in business and have seen that.  I wouldn't do business with him because he squeezes a lot.  Most NYC real estate developers are exactly like him.  Nothing unusual.  But, we need tough presidents.  Being feckless does not serve the country well as some of our former presidents have acted.  You as a foreigner may not like it because your country may wind up on the short end of the stick.  But, it helps my country.  That's what we need in a president.  He's keeping us out of war and trying to move America from playing policeman to the world.  Many Americans agree with that philosophy.  You're just going to have to defend yourself more and not depend on Americae largesse and military protection the way you use too.  That means you have to spend more of your own money for defence.  We're tapped out over here. 


He uses presidential power and the perks of the oval office like most presidents have.  That doesn;t make it undemocratic or unconstitutional.  Like every president, he's checked by Congress and the courts.  I'm not aware of any court decision he didn't obey.  The idea that he should follow a "philosophy of the world", whatever that means, seems like pie-in-the-sky.  His job is to protect America and keep its greatness and wealth going, just what an American president is suppose to do.   He works for us, not you.  He's not a philosopher not do I want one in the oval office.  I would think your leaders try to do the same for your country and I respect them for it as well. 


His tariffs are a response to tariffs from your side.  If you want to increase trade and stop any harmful effect from tariffs, you should eliminate your own.  They were there before ours and higher than ours.  You live in a glass house.  Don;t throw stones.  Tariffs on China are deserved as well as they have huge tariffs on us as well as their stealing our intellectual property, and yours, may I add. If Trump is successful with his tariffs, your country and the whole world stand to gain when China stops their corrupt trade practices.  We're fighting a economic war with them to have them stop.  That's hurting us more than you.   Be patient and support  us.   You'll gain if we win.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #276 on: October 08, 2019, 09:31:03 pm »

Fantasyland.
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« Reply #277 on: October 08, 2019, 10:18:06 pm »

The liberal press really doesn;t want Biden as president.  They prefer someone more radical and left like Warren.  So they won't protect him like they did Obama.  The more Democrats go after Trump regarding the Biden-Ukraine issue, the worse it will be for Biden. Not Trump.  Pure irony.  Frankly, Biden's toast.
Biden drops to second after Warren.
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/8/20905274/elizabeth-warren-frontrunner-democratic-nomination-2020

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« Reply #278 on: October 08, 2019, 10:49:48 pm »

Biden drops to second after Warren.
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/8/20905274/elizabeth-warren-frontrunner-democratic-nomination-2020

That’s because Biden keeps saying stupid stuff, making errors and basically looking like he can’t handle the job.   Some people (Democrats apparently) care about that kind of thing, oddly enough.  Can you really imagine a Biden / Trump debate?  It would be utterly incoherent.
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« Reply #279 on: October 08, 2019, 11:17:35 pm »

That’s because Biden keeps saying stupid stuff, making errors and basically looking like he can’t handle the job.   Some people (Democrats apparently) care about that kind of thing, oddly enough.  Can you really imagine a Biden / Trump debate?  It would be utterly incoherent.
Don't you think Ukraine has something to do with it too?
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