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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #180 on: October 06, 2019, 01:08:06 am »

Alan, there is thread called Cars Again in the Coffee Corner. It might be better to move your Antique Cars post there.
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« Reply #181 on: October 06, 2019, 01:10:44 am »

Thanks Les.  Just posted there. 

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« Reply #182 on: October 06, 2019, 03:28:41 am »

It seems you only want to draw the line on Trump.  Yet you apparently approve that Joe Biden used his position as Vice President to stop a foreign investigation of criminal activity related to his son Hunter Biden's work in the Ukraine.  Isn't what Biden did criminal?  Shouldn't that be investigated? Or do you think only Trump should be investigated for collusion with the Russians in 2016 based on a dossier prepared by British and Russian spies who were paid $10 million dollars by Trump's presidential opponent, Democrat Hillary Clinton?  Just where do you draw the lines?

Both of them should be fired if proof is made of their culpability.

Trump confessed of his crime so that part is already clear.

You are the one making this a political story by trying to find equal guilt on the Democrat side. The only relevant story here is Trump, the president of the US, clearly violating the constitution.

With or without quid pro quo btw. That corruption would only be an aggravating factor.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #183 on: October 06, 2019, 03:31:20 am »

Impeaching Trump may be the only way to beat him.

U.S. Sees 50-Year Low Unemployment Rate
"“Thanks to our pro-American agenda, the economy is booming, wages are rising and poverty is plummeting,” said President Trump. “3.5 percent — people didn’t think they were going to see that."[/size]
https://www.oann.com/u-s-sees-50-year-low-unemployment-rate/

Impreaching Trump is mostly about preventing him from doing more damage in the coming year, such as violating the constitution again.

His defeat in the next elections is 99% sure regardless.

Only hard core Republicans think otherwise and the extent to which your daydreaming departs from reality is becoming increasingly grotesque.

The question you should ask yourself now is what Trump would have to do for you to stop blindly support him. Would he have to start to send muslims to camps? Would that cross the line or would still support him then? If less is needed then what is the line?

Will you say you didn’t know like Trump is implicitly saying he didn’t know requesting help from a foreign leader to dig dirt on a political opponent is a violation of the constitution? Only do we all know you are way smarter and do know as we speak.

No need to answer me, this is between you and your conscience.

Cheers,
Bernard
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« Reply #184 on: October 06, 2019, 06:08:51 am »

Yet you apparently approve that Joe Biden used his position as Vice President to stop a foreign investigation of criminal activity related to his son Hunter Biden's work in the Ukraine.  I

Evidence please.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #185 on: October 06, 2019, 07:52:02 am »

Okay Bart, "evidence please." I realize that's what your screaming, off the wall, terminally biased sources of opinion say, but they have no more actual evidence of it than Mueller had in his more than two year coup attempt. This one isn't even gonna taxi fast, much less get off the ground.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #186 on: October 06, 2019, 07:58:04 am »

Okay Bart, "evidence please." I realize that's what your screaming, off the wall, terminally biased sources of opinion say, but they have no more actual evidence of it than Mueller had in his more than two year coup attempt. This one isn't even gonna taxi fast, much less get off the ground.

Russ,

Trump has admitted in public having requested a foreign leader help to dig dirt on a political rival. This is unconstitutional.

There is no need to prove anything else.

The quid pro quo, another word for corruption, did obviously happen but isn’t needed to impeach Trump.

Even Fox TV couldn’t deny this truth... so this isn’t liberal media plotting a coup, it is the truth being impossible to bend this time because there is a clear constitution and clear facts violating it.

When you use illegal means to attempt to eliminate a political rival, democracy is at risk and I am totally puzzled that you consider Trump’s actions to be aligned with the GOP’s values. I don’t think you would be fine with Trump ordering Biden to be executed by a killer. Well what he attempted to do is just as illegal and as unethical.

If I were you I would think about the relationship between values and the means needed to enforce them. When you compromise too much ethically on the means, you end up becoming the unethical means you use to reach what you believe to be a higher end. So how far are you willing to go to win?

Even if you have given up on ethics, think about what your example means to your grand children.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #187 on: October 06, 2019, 09:41:05 am »

It's a no brainer all right, Bart, but not the kind of no brainer you and Snopes think it is. Snopes? Snopes has been declaring conservative points and comments in satire that even starts with a notice it's satire as being "wrong." It's not a source I'd use to try to "prove" anything. There's no question Trump asked Ukraine to look into the illegal acts of Biden and his crooked son. The only question is whether or not the President of the United States has the right -- even the duty -- to ask for something like that. Were he not President or a Senator or Representative or a member of law enforcement, it might be a crime, as Hillalry's and the DNC's payoff to generate the fake dirt that got Mueller going clearly was.

That's enough. This whole thing just gets sillier and sillier. Yes, the press hates Trump, and they're making that very clear, but so what? Doesn't "prove" a damned thing. Well, I guess what it does prove from what I see here is the old Barnum principle: "There's a sucker born every minute.

I'm outta here.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #188 on: October 06, 2019, 09:45:01 am »

It's a no brainer all right, Bart, but not the kind of no brainer you and Snopes think it is.

So go ahead - provide the evidence.
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« Reply #189 on: October 06, 2019, 10:10:47 am »

Both of them should be fired if proof is made of their culpability.

Trump confessed of his crime so that part is already clear.

You are the one making this a political story by trying to find equal guilt on the Democrat side. The only relevant story here is Trump, the president of the US, clearly violating the constitution.

With or without quid pro quo btw. That corruption would only be an aggravating factor.

Cheers,
Bernard
Bernard, you're conflicting.  The only way the prove Biden is culpable is to re-open the investigation in Ukraine.  Maybe have an investigation in the US too.  That requires the US president to request the Ukraine President to investigate.  It's the only way to get to the bottom of what the Bidens did.  If Trump doesn't ask, it won't happen. 


If the press was honest, and not anti-Trump, they would be calling for an investigation of the Bidens.  But they're protecting them.  Look at all the accusations against Trump for his foreign business dealings.  Why isn't the press as demanding and make similar accusation and demands for investigation of the Bidens?

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« Reply #190 on: October 06, 2019, 10:13:37 am »

PS>  With Biden also running for President, Biden's malfeasance and violating the constitution or not is part of the story. 

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« Reply #191 on: October 06, 2019, 10:23:57 am »

The only way the prove Biden is culpable is to re-open the investigation in Ukraine.

The new Ukraine prosecutor has said he is going to audit the previous investigation which found no wrongdoing. Of course, that won't be enough for the Trumpers. They will just dream up another conspiracy theory. Maybe the Clinton server is in a pizza parlor basement in Ukraine. Besides, Trump's call with Zelinsky was all Rick Perry's fault. Apparently, Trump can't make his own decisions on who to call. Meanwhile, White House staffers are "genuinely horrified" with Trump's calls to foreign leaders. That's why they are all on a secret server. And North Korea has called off nuclear talks with Trump. How is that trade deal with China working out? So many wins.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #192 on: October 06, 2019, 10:25:35 am »

Bernard, you're conflicting.  The only way the prove Biden is culpable is to re-open the investigation in Ukraine.  Maybe have an investigation in the US too.  That requires the US president to request the Ukraine President to investigate.  It's the only way to get to the bottom of what the Bidens did.  If Trump doesn't ask, it won't happen. 

If the press was honest, and not anti-Trump, they would be calling for an investigation of the Bidens.  But they're protecting them.  Look at all the accusations against Trump for his foreign business dealings.  Why isn't the press as demanding and make similar accusation and demands for investigation of the Bidens?

Alan,

With all due respect, you are not making sense.

There is zero need to connect the violation of the constitution Trump committed to anything else. It stands by itself.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #193 on: October 06, 2019, 10:54:38 am »

Alan,

With all due respect, you are not making sense.

There is zero need to connect the violation of the constitution Trump committed to anything else. It stands by itself.

Cheers,
Bernard

No it doesn't.  We should get to the bottom if Biden used his position as VP to help his son in a criminal investigation.  After all, Biden is running for president in 2020 too.   Only Trump could call for the investigation in the Ukraine. Don;t you want to know if Biden is a crook?   Or do you only want to go after Trump?  The point is if Biden did wrong, the president is responsible for calling for an investigation and the only person capable of asking for it.    If he happens to get political benefit, well, what alternative would there be?  Let Biden get away with breaking the law as VP? 

In any case, when the dust settles, Biden will be done as the Democrat candidate because of Ukraine and Trump will still be president, probably facing Pocahontas.  Then Trump will call for an investigation of Warren for lying on her application claiming she's a minority to make it easier to get legal license and jobs at Harvard and advance her political career. 
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« Reply #194 on: October 06, 2019, 11:26:31 am »

Then Trump will call for an investigation of Warren for lying on her application claiming she's a minority to make it easier to get legal license...
You get your license to practice law by passing the bar exam, not checking a box on an application form.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #195 on: October 06, 2019, 01:19:03 pm »

Pocahontas.

Tired of the racism, Alan.
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« Reply #196 on: October 06, 2019, 01:58:34 pm »

Tired of the racism, Alan.

What racism? It's a derogatory term, certainly, but it's unclear how it can be said to be racist.

Jeremy
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« Reply #197 on: October 06, 2019, 02:42:28 pm »

Tired of the racism, Alan.
Typical liberal response calling someone a racist that calls attention to truth through parody.   It is Warren who lied about her heritage, taking minority status to advance herself.  She was the one who apologized to the Indian Nation,  the Cherokees,  for slanting them and stealing their identity.   

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« Reply #198 on: October 06, 2019, 03:08:57 pm »

Typical liberal response calling someone a racist that calls attention to truth through parody.
So using derogatory ethnic terms is parody? Who is laughing at the "comic effect" of doing so?
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #199 on: October 06, 2019, 04:55:56 pm »

So there you have it, kids: the place you get to when your head honcho deserts diplomacy for the insane pleasures of tweeting like an demented bird.

And to think Slobodan advised me to get with it, be modern and join effbook, which to me, lives in the same cage.

Where is Slobodan today; haven't noticed a post yet.

:-)
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