Impeaching Donald Trump

[Alan Klein]

What "American law" are you referring to?  The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (15 U.S.C. §78dd-1),* prohibits certain American business entities from paying bribes to officials of other countries.  I'm not aware that President Trump or even any of his most ardent defenders has accused former Vice President Biden of violating it or any other federal statute.

The issue of Hunter Biden's business dealings in Ukraine was raised in 2015 by career officials of the U.S. State Department, who were concerned that it created the appearance of a conflict of interest for the then vice president.  (Biden-père could only have had an actual conflict of interest if he had personally been receiving some of the income paid by the Ukrainian company to Biden-fils, which no one has ever alleged.)  When the State Department contacted Biden's staff to discuss the issue, an aide reportedly declined to raise it with the vice president, saying Biden didn't have the "bandwidth" to deal with Hunter Biden's business arrangements in Ukraine while his other son was dying of cancer.
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*In 2017, President Trump reportedly told then Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to "get rid of the law" because it is "just so unfair that American companies aren’t allowed to pay bribes to get business overseas."  Tillerson had to explain to Trump that an act of Congress is required to repeal a law.

The conflict of interest is that Joe Biden used his VP office to pressure a foreign country to fire their investigator looking into corruption of the firm his son Hunter Biden was getting paid $50k a month from for a no-show job.  Exactly why they hired his son in the first place.  For protection.  Wink wink nod nod.   All the rest is conversation.   

[kers]

The conflict of interest is that Joe Biden used his VP office to pressure a foreign country to fire their investigator looking into corruption of the firm his son Hunter Biden was getting paid $50k a month from for a no-show job.  Exactly why they hired his son in the first place.  For protection.  Wink wink nod nod.   All the rest is conversation.

Alan, maybe you should start a new thread about Hunter Biden, now you are just repeatingly polluting this thread that is about the real and actual impeachment of Donald Trump.

[Craig Lamson]

Amazing, innit?  What historical fact can do?

Breathlessly awaiting your point-by point rebuttal of my answers to your request.

No need to reply point by point since you entire post is a non sequitur.  You begin by listing  your considered personal faults of President Trump and conditioned by your "Presidental"..."Presidential" begins with honorable behavior.  Of that, we have seen none.", and instead use POLICY examples when you describe other Presidents.  A perfect example of a non sequiter.

So now why don't you do a correct compatison, if you can.

And then ask yourself if JFK's personal faults in regards to Miss Monroe are "Presidental".

[Peter McLennan]

No need to reply point by point since you entire post is a non sequitur.

zzzzz

[Craig Lamson]

zzzzz

Nice to know you failed again.  Great work.

[Peter McLennan]

Peter, I was there and remember the "staring down the Russian missiles"

So that gives you over-arching power to pass judgment on those events?

You need to read some history to get the facts right.

I have done so, thank you.

Clinton lied to a grand jury about "not having sex with that woman"

Yup.  He did.  In fact he lied to me.  He stared right into the lens and made that statement.  For which I hated him. 
Unlike Trump, however, he also had significant positive effects on the world stage, and on America's global status, enumerated elsewhere in this thread.

Shall I go on?

Please do.  Your posts are enlightening and entertaining.

[Peter McLennan]

Nice to know you failed again.  Great work.

Ah, so it's not about facts, it's about winning.  Thanks for that re-clarification.  You stated this position before.

[Craig Lamson]

Ah, so it's not about facts, it's about winning.  Thanks for that re-clarification.  You stated this position before.

The facts often lead to winning.  In your case your "facts" were a loser.

[LesPalenik]

And then ask yourself if JFK's personal faults in regards to Miss Monroe are "Presidental".

Definitely more discreet and more presidential and also showing a class and a good taste. Compared with some deplorables who boast publicly about their p***y grabbing exploits.

[Craig Lamson]

Definitely more discreet and more presidential and also showing a class and a good taste.

Now thats funny.  I wonder if Jackie found it classy and "a good taste". 

[LesPalenik]

Now thats funny.  I wonder if Jackie found it classy and "a good taste".

If she were the French First Lady, she might have.  Not in the country where the god fearing men wear 2 feet long swimming shorts.

[PeterAit]

Alan, maybe you should start a new thread about Hunter Biden, now you are just repeatingly polluting this thread that is about the real and actual impeachment of Donald Trump.

Yes, exactly. What the Bidens did or didn't do is irrelevant to the impeachment issue. It's a distraction--one of many--thrown up by the GOP to divert attention from the real issues, what Trump did.

[Craig Lamson]

If she were the French First Lady, she might have.  Not in the country where the god fearing men wear 2 feet long swimming shorts.

Maybe here the shorts need to be that long

[PeterAit]

The conflict of interest is that Joe Biden used his VP office to pressure a foreign country to fire their investigator looking into corruption of the firm his son Hunter Biden was getting paid $50k a month from for a no-show job.  Exactly why they hired his son in the first place.  For protection.  Wink wink nod nod.   All the rest is conversation.

Wrong wrong wrong. The Ukrainian investigator was fired because he *was not* investigating corruption. The dismissal was advocated by the  International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform--and Joe Biden. And somehow the Trumplets have turned this around into a big lie--and some saps believe it. Unfortunately these saps vote.

[LesPalenik]

Maybe here the shorts need to be that long

Cloak or deception?

[Craig Lamson]

Wrong wrong wrong. The Ukrainian investigator was fired because he *was not* investigating corruption. The dismissal was advocated by the  International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform--and Joe Biden. And somehow the Trumplets have turned this around into a big lie--and some saps believe it. Unfortunately these saps vote.

Maybe you should dig a little depper on that one...just a suggestion.

[Craig Lamson]

Cloak or deception?

Good one!

[Craig Lamson]

Here comes Rudy.

Take it for what it is. Maybe true, maybe not.  Interesting to say the least.

https://dcdirtylaundry.com/watch-giuliani-begins-releasing-doomsday-files-reveals-records-suggesting-fired-amb-yovanovitch-perjured-herself-denied-visas-to-witnesses-who-could-prove-obama-admin-corruption/

The Gateway Pundit reported:

‘Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani taunted the Deep State-Democrat-media complex Sunday morning and said he will be sharing evidence he “has garnered through hundreds of hours of research.”

“Stay tuned,” Rudy said building anticipation.

And boy did he deliver.

Rudy revealed a huge money laundering operation involving the Bidens and Burisma Holdings. Money was flowing through Latvia and Cyprus disguised as loans to various tech companies then paid out as ‘board fees’ to Hunter Biden.

“That is a straight out violation of a money laundering statute,” Giuliani said.

Giuliani revealed that there is documents showing Schiff’s star witness, fired US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch perjured herself at least twice during her impeachment testimony.

Documents prove Yovanovitch was personally involved in the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s investigations and denied visas to witnesses who could prove Biden, Dem corruption, Giuliani said.

Witness Yuri Lutsenko, the inheritor of prosecutor general Viktor Shokin’s office told Giuliani that Yovanovitch was sent information showing that $7 BILLION went to the US in a possible money laundering scheme to a firm called “Franklin Templeton Investments,” she refused to him help by connecting him to American law enforcement.

Lutsenko wanted help from the US Justice Department to track down where the $7 BILLION in supposed laundered money went.

Lutsenko went on to state: “I was once again shocked when madame Yovanovitch told two members of the committee that Lutsenko asked me to organize his meeting with American attorney general, but you know gentlemen that there is a procedure for this she told, the procedure that Lutsenko should even — must give us and short topic what points he want he wants to discuss with American law enforcement bodies and Yovanovitch said he never gave us such an information.”

If this testimony is infact true, that means that the former Ambassador to the Ukraine, lied under oath, before Congress.

“I have bad news for madame Yovanovitch,” Lutsenko said. “This is my letter to request for cooperation in investigation against the criminal organization of Yanukovytch regarding possible investment in the US-based mutual and other funds for the purpose of money laundering,” Lutsenko said holding up the letter he wrote dated October of 2017.

WATCH!

Rudy only doubled down:

Witness Yuri Lutsenko, inheritor of Shokin’s office:

Records proving Amb Yovanovitch perjured herself at least twice.

Doc’s showing she was denying visas to witnesses who could prove Biden & Dem corruption.

Clear doc proof of money laundering by Burisma & Biden’s. pic.twitter.com/uHwa6PorLB

— Rudy Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) December 15, 2019

How about that … it looks like this whole thing is about to blow up in their faces … BIGLY.

Watch for Cyprus to become a huge hub and part of this story … so far we have only scratched the tip of the iceberg!

[Alan Klein]

Wrong wrong wrong. The Ukrainian investigator was fired because he *was not* investigating corruption. The dismissal was advocated by the  International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform--and Joe Biden. And somehow the Trumplets have turned this around into a big lie--and some saps believe it. Unfortunately these saps vote.

The optics look awful.  Biden was told to recuse himself, to not be involved because his son was working for a corrupt Ukrainian corporation.  So what does he do?  He gets a prosecutor fired and than brags about it. Is that the kind of political sense you want in your president?

So Trump, just as stupidly, does the same thing not looking at the optics and demands  an investigation of Biden who's his first competitor in the upcoming election.

Two dopes.   

See.  We agree again.

[Peter McLennan]

Definitely more discreet and more presidential and also showing a class and a good taste. Compared with some deplorables who boast publicly about their p***y grabbing exploits.

Precisely.  JFK didn't brag about it.